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This is just why GW doesn't like doing long term previews of things. Short term previews close to the release work because the hype remains high even on very little information teased out.

When you put years between meaningful updates (which is what the warhammer TV shows have had) the little solid information only goes so far before people end up going in circles. Which is then a toss up between circles of ever increasing hype or ever increasing misery.


That said I feel like we are on the home stretch now and that we should be thinking months not years for seeing Warhammer + and the TV shows (or at least some of them)

   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
 posermcbogus wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Warhammer+ preview on Wednesday




Took 'em a while, but I guess the unrelenting torrent of people clowning on how awful Warhammer+ sounds finally got to the big cheeses, who have decided to do a bit of damage control.


They said when it was first announced that there’d be a preview in June with more details.


From the beginning they were specific about June 23 as the preview date, too.

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Lurking several years, but I would like to comment on this.

To my mind, GW are now realising that 3d-printers are here to stay and that while they may stop individual recasters, a "model" is such a broad term that they cannot stop private people printing their own, or other's, designs that are close enough to GW models to be used as proxies even in tournaments, but not close enough to be stopped by Cease and Desist-letters.

At the bottom level, the business model of producing models to be sold at great profit is under threat and they cannot envision a way to continue that along with the increasing prevalence of 3d printers and printing services.

You need so many books, hard-cover and all, to play a single faction plus unending numbers of campaign books, which seems to be a greater and greater part of the hobby. It is almost as though they are becoming a book store. GW has also really spread into licensing their IP for video games and lately comic books/graphic novels. A streaming service just seems to be the newest addition to the number of ways GW can monetize their IP in a non-model-related way.

The latest tournament pack for the US GT is the opposite side of this coin. Conversions and scratch builds need to be approved by photo in advance of the tournament and all FW models need to be the FW model. No conversion or scratch-build allowed, pay up or stay out. I.e., the last way to protect the model business is to exclude everybody else's work from GW-controlled tournaments. If they go this route, we will have a new ITC in a few years that just use the rules, but allows any and all models as long as it is clear what they are, but that is another discussion.

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3D printers, at the level they exist now, are not competition. 3D printing is essentially a hobby in of itself, requiring space and interest in, well, manufacturing. A 3d printer isn't, and won't be for a long time i expect, as convenient as an actual ink/laser printer, and even with those around you don't see people printing out novels on their home Hewlett Packard.

GW is no doubt diversifying their portfolio, but 3D printers are almost certainly not the reason.
   
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Cronch wrote:
3D printers, at the level they exist now, are not competition. 3D printing is essentially a hobby in of itself, requiring space and interest in, well, manufacturing. A 3d printer isn't, and won't be for a long time i expect, as convenient as an actual ink/laser printer, and even with those around you don't see people printing out novels on their home Hewlett Packard.

GW is no doubt diversifying their portfolio, but 3D printers are almost certainly not the reason.


That is something I hadn't thought of before. 3D printers are like anything else, if they become mainstream the enterprises behind them will become as exploitative and predatory as any other major mainstream product manufacturer.

Sure, GW prices are crazy, but once everyone who wants one has a 3D printer at there house, it's not like the companies behind it won't do everything in their power to make it as expensive as possible to use. Look at printer ink.

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Cronch wrote:
because paying for the privilege of being first to give a corporation money is pathetic and encourages anti-customer practices which impact everyone, not just you.


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 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, let's see how long it'll take before those episodes will appear on Putlocker or any other host site...
Given the lengths they've gone to in the past to stop WD (and other) leaks, I'm sure they've got a plan top deal with that.


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Vejby wrote:
The latest tournament pack for the US GT is the opposite side of this coin.
But there's nothing new in that pack, is there? It's the same as playing at Warhammer World or other previous GW events, or the streaming rules for the major tournaments.

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Cronch wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cronch wrote:
because paying for the privilege of being first to give a corporation money is pathetic and encourages anti-customer practices which impact everyone, not just you.


Cobblers. Absolute cobblers.

You don’t want to sign up, don’t sign up. And don’t claim anyone who does sign up is somehow damaging to your position.

I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about your idea of "signing up lets people access preorders early and get better service at tourneys", not the "pay to access shows/rulebooks" service.
It's a bad practice from customer's pov and create even more uneven have-have not split in a hobby that's already classist as heck.


Its hardly new though, given that it sounds an awful lot like Amazon Prime. Early access to some product sales, access to streamed media, etc.

The only issue is if GW supply means that the fancy gubbinz can only ever be purchased by members, rather than members getting a few days/weeks head start on everyone else.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Let me rephrase... the "classist" issue comes about if you need to be a member, not the "only issue"...

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well, even with "only" early access, just imagine the Cursed City sale but members being able to order 1 day ahead

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The trick is making the service worth having long term (eg a year) whilst providing core content (videos) which are worth the customers money for that period of time. After that things like unique model access or early buys and such are all cream that you add on top. That's how Amazon works - they get you not with the TV but with the free next day postage. At least that's how they started when Prime had far fewer shows on offer. Same for their music streaming and other services.

The idea is to lure you in with value for money in the core business and then leverage that to support side ones.


   
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I'm looking forward to seeing the programs they have teased so far, so I'm on board with Warhammer+ so far just to watch that stuff.

But, I'm curious to learn more about the service and how they'll keep folks subscribed once they watch what comes out at release. I'm someone who only subscribes to a streaming service for long enough to watch a specific show/movie, so we'll see.

I just hope the app will be Chromecast compatible. Signed up for a service with the local theatre to stream plays, and they could only be watched in the browser, which was a pain.

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 Overread wrote:
The trick is making the service worth having long term (eg a year) whilst providing core content (videos) which are worth the customers money for that period of time. After that things like unique model access or early buys and such are all cream that you add on top. That's how Amazon works - they get you not with the TV but with the free next day postage. At least that's how they started when Prime had far fewer shows on offer. Same for their music streaming and other services.

The idea is to lure you in with value for money in the core business and then leverage that to support side ones.



I don't think GW has the budget to make their service worth long term, especially not if they're the only ones providing any content for it. Disney struggled to have enough content to make Disney+ worth it for a prolonged time, and Disney is several magnitudes larger and more evil than GW.

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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Some food for thought, this month's White Dwarf (released on Friday) is not available on Warhammer Digital (yet).

It's also very likely that Age of Sigmar 3rd Edition will do away with ebooks of their battletomes and rulebooks and go for a similar model like 40k 9th Edition with redeemable online codes included in the printed books.

Maybe some kind of book and novel flatrate is included in Warhammer+ ?

 
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cronch wrote:
because paying for the privilege of being first to give a corporation money is pathetic and encourages anti-customer practices which impact everyone, not just you.


Cobblers. Absolute cobblers.

You don’t want to sign up, don’t sign up. And don’t claim anyone who does sign up is somehow damaging to your position.


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I’m not sure about this Warhammer plus subscription. I just can’t imagine anything they will announce that would interest me enough to pay for it.

I already pay for Netflix and Disney plus, and have decided not to pay for Apple TV or Amazon prime, but both of these offer an awful lot more than Warhammer plus is likely to.

Realistically what could Warhammer plus offer beyond a dozen cartoons? Discounted models? Discounted black library? I don’t imagine either of those being included in the subscription price. Maybe it will include the app subscription.

I might be interested if it included the app subscription with full rules access so I don’t need to buy the rule books, but I can’t see that happening. I doubt it will include a WD subscription, perhaps a discounted rate, but I won’t be enticed by discounts for things I wasn’t going to get anyway.
   
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You say that. But a 5% discount in GW stores even, that’d Draw In a lot of people. I’d bet.

   
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That's still less than pretty much all LGSs and online stores offer.
   
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So the maximum we can expect is this:

Animations: flatrate
Audiobook flatrate/ Audible-like monthly freebie/ better prices/ bundles
Books: eBook flatrate/ Audible-like monthly freebie/ better prices/bundles/ exclusive variant covers
Online shop: better delivery conditions/ priority preorder
Videos: Painting Guides/ Battle Reports/ Gaming Advice - Flatrate/ Twitch perks
Miniatures: exclusives/ time exclusives/ special bundles
Interactive Campaigns: exclusive participation tracking/voting
Videos Games: special offers/ exclusive in-game goodies
Merch: exclusive offers
Rules: exclusive rule additions - i.e. future Cult of Strifes only for Warhammer+ users/ online rules compendium
App: Warhammer App/Azyr for free
White Dwarf: reduced subscription fee/ free electronic version
Made to order: exclusive deals/ individual bits/ whole backlog/ voting which miniatures are coming back next

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 Vovin wrote:
So the maximum we can expect is this:

Animations: flatrate
Audiobook flatrate/ Audible-like monthly freebie/ better prices/ bundles
Books: eBook flatrate/ Audible-like monthly freebie/ better prices/bundles/ exclusive variant covers
Online shop: better delivery conditions/ priority preorder
Videos: Painting Guides/ Battle Reports/ Gaming Advice - Flatrate/ Twitch perks
Miniatures: exclusives/ time exclusives/ special bundles
Interactive Campaigns: exclusive participation tracking/voting
Videos Games: special offers/ exclusive in-game goodies
Merch: exclusive offers
Rules: exclusive rule additions - i.e. future Cult of Strifes only for Warhammer+ users/ online rules compendium
App: Warhammer App/Azyr for free
White Dwarf: reduced subscription fee/ free electronic version
Made to order: exclusive deals/ individual bits/ whole backlog/ voting which miniatures are coming back next


Priority for subscribers in their fancy online store queue system!
   
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 Vovin wrote:
So the maximum we can expect is this:

Animations: flatrate
Audiobook flatrate/ Audible-like monthly freebie/ better prices/ bundles
Books: eBook flatrate/ Audible-like monthly freebie/ better prices/bundles/ exclusive variant covers
Online shop: better delivery conditions/ priority preorder
Videos: Painting Guides/ Battle Reports/ Gaming Advice - Flatrate/ Twitch perks
Miniatures: exclusives/ time exclusives/ special bundles
Interactive Campaigns: exclusive participation tracking/voting
Videos Games: special offers/ exclusive in-game goodies
Merch: exclusive offers
Rules: exclusive rule additions - i.e. future Cult of Strifes only for Warhammer+ users/ online rules compendium
App: Warhammer App/Azyr for free
White Dwarf: reduced subscription fee/ free electronic version
Made to order: exclusive deals/ individual bits/ whole backlog/ voting which miniatures are coming back next


I doubt they will be offering as much as this, but even if everything on this list was included, I won’t be subscribing.

I don’t buy white dwarf, I don’t think it’s particularly good, getting it cheaper won’t make me want it. I’m not particularly interested in limited edition models, I like the models I like and I buy those ones, something being in short supply doesn’t make it appealing to me. I don’t subscribe to the 40K app because I don’t think it’s very good, and I get the same functionality or better elsewhere for free. There are enough free painting and modelling tutorials online that I can’t imagine I’d pay for them. The rest is basically paying for the privilege to pay for stuff. No thanks. And my FLGS generally sells GW at 10% less than getting it direct from GW, I doubt any discount for subscribers would beat that (especially when the cost of subscription is factored in). And I like supporting my FLGS.

Maybe Warhammer plus will appeal to others and be a great success, but I really can’t imagine that I’ll be subscribing.

   
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I am not reading through 11 pages to answer one question so please let me know... Will the new GW channel include porn?

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 Tokhuah wrote:
I am not reading through 11 pages to answer one question so please let me know... Will the new GW channel include porn?

Only Bolter Porn.

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do we know if this'll be a subscription service? they've used the term VOD and it's possiable rather then subscriptions it could just be "apy to watch"

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BrianDavion wrote:
do we know if this'll be a subscription service? they've used the term VOD and it's possiable rather then subscriptions it could just be "apy to watch"


It is referred to as a subscription service here:

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Warhammer plus subscription service

   
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So what's the bet that this is GW's way of getting off Twitch so they can do their own thing completely independently?

Want to see the latest preview event? Better sign up to Warhammer+!

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So what's the bet that this is GW's way of getting off Twitch so they can do their own thing completely independently?

Want to see the latest preview event? Better sign up to Warhammer+!



I mean, who the heck signs up for warhammer tv not using twitch prime? Madmen, that's who.
   
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You can watch the previews without needing to sub.

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Cronch wrote:
pay us to be the first in line to pay us!

what a lovely capitalist dystopia you've dreamed up


He didn't have to dream it up, for some US Football teams you have to pay to sit on a waiting to maybe someday buy season tickets after the old wave of fans finally dies.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If it lets me get my grubby mitts on card packs and Cursed City expansions, I’m willing


What Cursed City?
There is no Cursed City board game.
It never existed.
Radukar didn't appear in anything before coming to Age of Sigmar.
We have always been at war with Eurasia


F'ing Eurasia, I hate them even more than East Asia.

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I am fed. Mixed roast shellfish platter with half a Lobster.

I am watered. Best ale.

I am sitting comfortably.

Let’s see what all this is about, shall we?

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