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That profile seems very reasonable

EviscerationPlague wrote:
That profile seems very reasonable

...72 Sweep attacks seems reasonable?

That is obviously supposed to mean two hit rolls per attack for a total of 12 attacks.

 Dysartes wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
That profile seems very reasonable

...72 Sweep attacks seems reasonable?

I think they meant double the attacks from his base 6.

Also I was being sarcastic.

I like the stratagem, it is actually tactical instead of being a straight buff to something.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
That profile seems very reasonable

...72 Sweep attacks seems reasonable?

I think they meant double the attacks from his base 6.

Also I was being sarcastic.

Whoops! It's fixed now.

Looks nearly the same as his current rules with four more wounds.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
That profile seems very reasonable

...72 Sweep attacks seems reasonable?

I think they meant double the attacks from his base 6.

Also I was being sarcastic.

Given this is the internet, and tone cannot be read, may I interest you in the use of an indicator for when you are being sarcastic? You may find it helps prevent confusion as to what you're trying to achieve.

For sarcasm, I believe ending a post with "/s" usually works, though fake BBCode tags - such as [SARCASM][/SARCASM] - may also work if only a part of your post is intended to be sarcastic.

Few bits and bobs from the discord:

Mono daemon armies can use the opposition's LD to determine how far away they deepstrike. For example, if they are Ld6, daemons can deepstrike 6" away.
In their own territory they can deepstrike 3" away.
This is in addition to Warp Locus.

Horrors 15pts
Plaguebearers 15pts
Bloodletters 13pts
Daemonettes 12pts

All GD are around the 300pt mark, give or take a few.

Ok if that ld-deep strike rule is true that's pretty cool.

Leggy wrote:
Mono daemon armies can use the opposition's LD to determine how far away they deepstrike. For example, if they are Ld6, daemons can deepstrike 6" away.

Can use? Implies they don't have to. I'd hope so, as aren't Custodes Ld11 these days? That'd make 'em real hard to attack if you can't even use the 9" rule.

Either way, basing it on Leadership is a nifty idea. Nice to know GW can occasionally fire off those neurons and come up with a good idea.

Especially if it can combo with Ld modifier (which I assume it will). Anything that makes them more useful outside of "kill more" mechanics is welcome.

You can always use the 9" if you prefer

Ld modifiers work, but they need to be on the board at the start of the turn (no DSing in a -ld aura, then dsing in a second unit closer)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nice to know GW can occasionally fire off those neurons and come up with a good idea.

This has been happening in AoS for some time; when there is demand for mechanically creative army abilities they have been extremely successful in providing artful solutions (they still screw things up but it is mainly in the details of certain units, traits, etc). I would certainly say it does not show up in 40k as much, but something like the new CSM marks comes to mind.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I like the stratagem, it is actually tactical instead of being a straight buff to something.

No one is going to pay 2CP to move a 10 model unit of bloodletters for 130 points 6". I wouldnt. CPs are very precious in nephilim.


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 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Especially if it can combo with Ld modifier (which I assume it will). Anything that makes them more useful outside of "kill more" mechanics is welcome.

NL seem to be a good ally for daemons when this is true.

 p5freak wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I like the stratagem, it is actually tactical instead of being a straight buff to something.

No one is going to pay 2CP to move a 10 model unit of bloodletters for 130 points 6". I wouldnt. CPs are very precious in nephilim.

You're right, nobody is ever going to spend 2CP to get 10 obsec bodies onto an objective or to make a charge in the proceeding turn considerably easier /s

 p5freak wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I like the stratagem, it is actually tactical instead of being a straight buff to something.

No one is going to pay 2CP to move a 10 model unit of bloodletters for 130 points 6". I wouldnt. CPs are very precious in nephilim.

- We don't know if Daemons will be out within Nephilim's lifespan
- We don't have a clue if the next set of tournament scenarios will include the CP modifier
- As has been pointed out by JakeSiren, never rule out something that provides tactical flexibility, as it may turn out to be key to victory down the line.

 p5freak wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Especially if it can combo with Ld modifier (which I assume it will). Anything that makes them more useful outside of "kill more" mechanics is welcome.

NL seem to be a good ally for daemons when this is true.

And as Gadzilla keeps pointing out, there is nothing more true to the character of a Night Lords force than them working with Daemons. He must be thrilled by the idea...

 p5freak wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I like the stratagem, it is actually tactical instead of being a straight buff to something.

No one is going to pay 2CP to move a 10 model unit of bloodletters for 130 points 6". I wouldnt. CPs are very precious in nephilim.

Ah yes. No-one ever going to spend 2CP to move unit to obsec auto winning you game with that.

Yep. Nope. Not going to happen. Every player is such an idiot that wouldn't spend 2 CP to quaranteed win the game.

Plague drone leaks:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/12/whip-up-the-storm-of-the-millennium-with-codex-chaos-daemons/

Warp storm points. 8 dice, get a WSP on 4+.
8 undivided effects
3 per god.
Some are used in enemy turns.

Also... legiones daemonica <god>.

Plague drones sound like a spicy meatball!

Also, can someone explain the Malicious Misdirection Warp Storm effect please?

 nathan2004 wrote:
Plague drones sound like a spicy meatball!

Also, can someone explain the Malicious Misdirection Warp Storm effect please?

You know how Strategic Reserves change where you can deploy based on the battle round?
Like so:

Round 1: Can't deploy
Round 2: Within 6" of a battlefield edge, but can't be in the opponent's DZ or on their battlefield edge
Round 3 or later: Same as 2, but you CAN go in the enemy's DZ

So, if you use it on Round 3 or later, your opponent can't deploy in your Deployment Zone from Strategic Reserves.

Edit: Also, I'm sad if that's all Epidemius does now.

tneva82 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I like the stratagem, it is actually tactical instead of being a straight buff to something.

No one is going to pay 2CP to move a 10 model unit of bloodletters for 130 points 6". I wouldnt. CPs are very precious in nephilim.

Ah yes. No-one ever going to spend 2CP to move unit to obsec auto winning you game with that.

Yep. Nope. Not going to happen. Every player is such an idiot that wouldn't spend 2 CP to quaranteed win the game.

Stratagem is just so bad, stop giving people rights and life.

Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/12/whip-up-the-storm-of-the-millennium-with-codex-chaos-daemons/

Warp storm points. 8 dice, get a WSP on 4+.
8 undivided effects
3 per god.
Some are used in enemy turns.

Also... legiones daemonica <god>.

I like the priciple. A pool of quasi Stratagems that you can freely choose. It also fits the daemon background and there is no excel sheet you need to run at the top of your head.

And then there is Epidemous, suddenly again you need to keep a tally and it is a stupid and almost incensequential bogus rule. GW never learns....

Uff, sounds like a big nerf to Epidemius. And effectively kills allying him with DG, assuming this storm thing is for pure demons only?

Kebabcito wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I like the stratagem, it is actually tactical instead of being a straight buff to something.

No one is going to pay 2CP to move a 10 model unit of bloodletters for 130 points 6". I wouldnt. CPs are very precious in nephilim.

Ah yes. No-one ever going to spend 2CP to move unit to obsec auto winning you game with that.

Yep. Nope. Not going to happen. Every player is such an idiot that wouldn't spend 2 CP to quaranteed win the game.

Stratagem is just so bad, stop giving people rights and life.

It still has use and you know as stratagems are free(you aren't forced to pick x amount you can use) doesn't matter if it comes up once per 100 games or 1 per 10000 games army is better with than without.

Any half decent player can find use for out of phase movement.

Are Bloodletters limited to squads of 10 or can they be taken as a 20?

EightFoldPath wrote:
Are Bloodletters limited to squads of 10 or can they be taken as a 20?

Discord says all troops are units of 10

 Dysartes wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
That profile seems very reasonable

...72 Sweep attacks seems reasonable?

I think they meant double the attacks from his base 6.

Also I was being sarcastic.

Given this is the internet, and tone cannot be read, may I interest you in the use of an indicator for when you are being sarcastic? You may find it helps prevent confusion as to what you're trying to achieve.

For sarcasm, I believe ending a post with "/s" usually works, though fake BBCode tags - such as [SARCASM][/SARCASM] - may also work if only a part of your post is intended to be sarcastic.

Sarcasm has existed on the internet for about 30 years before the /s tag did. Don't blame other people because you can't into context. This isn't Reddit.

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Does anyone else feel like the new warpstorm mechanic is kind of... meh? Some of the buffs are nice but it's unreliable, and some of the buffs are "nice to have" but not really worth trying to build around.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
That profile seems very reasonable

...72 Sweep attacks seems reasonable?

I think they meant double the attacks from his base 6.

Also I was being sarcastic.

Given this is the internet, and tone cannot be read, may I interest you in the use of an indicator for when you are being sarcastic? You may find it helps prevent confusion as to what you're trying to achieve.

For sarcasm, I believe ending a post with "/s" usually works, though fake BBCode tags - such as [SARCASM][/SARCASM] - may also work if only a part of your post is intended to be sarcastic.

Sarcasm has existed on the internet for about 30 years before the /s tag did. Don't blame other people because you can't into context. This isn't Reddit.

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Does anyone else feel like the new warpstorm mechanic is kind of... meh? Some of the buffs are nice but it's unreliable, and some of the buffs are "nice to have" but not really worth trying to build around.

I want to see more first, but I guess I'm okay with it being 'meh' given how frikkin' random it's gonna be.