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Daemonhunter Codex:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=0&aId=9800044a&start=1

Witch Hunter Codex:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=9800045a

You need to be a member to download them, but it's relatively easy to become one.

Several people have pointed out that the Daemonhunter Codex is missing two pages - specifically, the ones that list the Allies rules and the portion that defines which units are classified as "Grey Knights" and which are classified as "Daemons".

As to whether or not this is an intentional omission, it is hard to say. In addition, thanks to solkan for the following info:

solkan wrote:Having been bored enough to try downloading the various language versions around 5:00 before going to sleep:
1. French version is renumbered, and HAS the missing two pages.
2. Spanish version has the old page numbers, and is missing the two pages.
3. English, German and Italian versions have renumbered pages are are missing the two pages.
4. There is no Japanese version.

I guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow, since today's GW news says that they'll talk more about today's "great" release.

FURTHERMORE, it appears that there HAVE been minor changes made to the DH codex, specifically to the armory and weapon summary areas.

The following are the changes:

-"Carapace Armor" has been added to the armory.

-"HellPistol" has been added to the armory.

-"Bolter" has been added to the armory.

Under weapon's Summary, the following changes have been noted:

-"Heavy Flamer" has been changed from a Heavy weapon to an Assault Weapon.

Enjoy.

nice - an actual news / rumour bit about Daemonhunters & Witchunters that's not fluff pedantics or Adepta Sororitas boo-hooing!!!

and, I'm impressed that they released them this month. I mean, I know that's what White Dwarf said, but still, call me an optimistic pessimist...

thanks for the heads up, Fxeni!

Nice! Thanks for that

Allies section of DH dex is gone, I think.

No more Tarot / Mystics for Guard. SOB can still do their thing w/ guard, though.

Can't wait to get home and check if they are uploaded in the Spanish website too >_<

The page with the allies rules appears to be missing in both the Witchhunters and Daemonhunters PDF's. The Army List page appears to only be missing from Daemonhunters, which is a shame since that's the page with the definitions of Grey Knight and Daemon for that codex, and the squad psychic power rule.

Edit: Bah, the Witchhunter's rule was hidden in a sidebar, it's still there.

just because they are missing in the downloadable pdf does not mean that the old codex's are defunct. I would agree that if a single rule had been changed or updated this would be the case, as this would be a new codex, but this is not the case. This is simply a condensed representation of the actual codex.

Newer publications trump, but the internet argument of whether or not it "holds up" ... well, not something I'll participate in.

Suffice to say that the Witchhunters still has the BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE IMMORTAL EMPEROR OF MANKIND entry on page 16. The DH entry is removed. That dichotomy will tell the reasonable, and the average tourney FAQ writer / organizer, the clear intent. Occam'z Razor, please. Newest version of codex rules are online. For one, they left allies in, for the other they didn't. Let's not go inventing "oops" theories to explain away the obvious.


Also, it should bear note that DH allies are what enabled both Tarot and Mystics, arguably two of the bigger "breakers" to the guard.

I'm picking up what MVBrandt is dropping down...
still, whatever their intention, I'm interpreting this as one of two things:

a) they are going to try never revamping either of these books and have put them online to placate the fools who bought into them in the first place, stuck in their 3rd Edition suck-fest.

b) maybe, actually, will update them soon & this is just a stop-gap in the meantime since they don't offer them for sale anymore.

at this point, as an owner of sizeable DH & WH armies, I can honestly say I don't care if it's one or the other...or neither [go go combined Codex!]

and don't start up with the no-combined-codex drivel, because I've heard it & that doesn't mean I can't still want them combined!!!!!

It's funny that they renumbered the pages for the English PDF, but the Spanish PDF has the original page numbers so you can tell which pages are missing more easily.

It would be nice if GW just came out and said "Yes, we removed DH allies" instead of leaving it up to "Well, GW is incompetent enough to accidentally remove the allies rules"

I don't care either way, I just want GW to be straightforward instead of stealth-editing rules out.

I would welcome if Deamonhunters wouldn't have the options for allies anymore. It's just odd to see a bunch of elite terminators in the middle of a guard army.

Witchhunters, that's an another story. Battle Sisters, stronger than guardsmen but weaker than space marines, seem to be fitting as possible allies for both of these groups

Disclaimer (for all future news&rumour threads including Sororitas):
This is a news & rumour thread only for news & rumours. This thread is not meant to discuss the background and the current models of Sororitas, their existence at all, them being combined with Inquisition in one Codex or any other off topic whining.

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solkan wrote:It's funny that they renumbered the pages for the English PDF, but the Spanish PDF has the original page numbers so you can tell which pages are missing more easily.

So the Spanish pdf is online too? Great!

Ah, no fair. The French version of the PDF has the two missing pages.

I haven't been following the history of these codexes so please forgive if the following questions have been answered previously.

Are these codexes;

A) just scans of the original 3rd edition books?

B) scans with some sections chopped out?

C) revised to 5th edition standard with some sections dropped?

Thanks in advance...

B.

Killkrazy:

at first glance, B. I haven't really perused them thoroughly, though.

Kroothawk:

werd.

The PDF's aren't *just* scans, for two reasons:
1. The page numbers are different (in many languages).
2. You can actually select the text in Acrobat.

It's a scan of the rules part, now including Inquisitor's henchmen and all special characters (missing from the old German pdf).
Not included is background and modelling.

solkan wrote:The PDF's aren't *just* scans, for two reasons:
1. The page numbers are different (in many languages).
2. You can actually select the text in Acrobat.

So it's an edited OCR scan?

It's the same old dexes, which are now out of print, with the allies rules left out (except for witch hunters being able to take IG/SM allies, on page 16 of the WH dex).

Allies are gone. Hurray!

Erasoketa wrote:Can't wait to get home and check if they are uploaded in the Spanish website too >_<

Yes.

Los bajé hace un rato y se ven muy bien.

RUNE wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:Can't wait to get home and check if they are uploaded in the Spanish website too >_<

Yes.

Los bajé hace un rato y se ven muy bien.

Nice!

Estoy hasta los huevos de tener que tirar de mi codex WH en inglés xDD

RUNE wrote:

Los bajé hace un rato y se ven muy bien.

The bath has a rat and it goes very well.

Erasoketa wrote:

Estoy hasta los huevos de tener que tirar de mi codex WH en inglés xDD

I have fear eggs that fire my English WH codex



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filbert wrote:

RUNE wrote:

Los bajé hace un rato y se ven muy bien.

The bath has a rat and it goes very well.

Erasoketa wrote:

Estoy hasta los huevos de tener que tirar de mi codex WH en inglés xDD

I have fear eggs that fire my English WH codex



Translation service provided by filbert spanglish Inc.

Can you also provide subs for Mad Dok Grotsnik?

The Scotch, much like the Welsh, are a race that defy decoding!

I would have thought it was going to just be a straight copy of the books (and so didn't understand why anyone would be excited about this at all) but they actually made them worse by creating a situation where one book has a rule and the online version doesn't and not including any kind of explanation. Plus leaving out the hobby section and Mutant Apocalypse army list is lame. Kudos GW, you always surprise me with how I can't underestimate you enough.

You'd think they could have taken the 10 seconds to add the Assault Ramp rule in there for Witch Hunter Land Raiders but I guess that might imbalance something or whatever their piss poor argument is for leaving things outdated after a decade.

If anything, I'm encouraged they removed the allies heading...as this signals a probable acknowledgment of a game breaking combination by GW...which in of itself is a big deal . Sure, they could have spent time bringing A Cannons and Ramps into line with newer books but the removal of the allies page was a very simple change that has a great impact on the game (at this point). So in summary;

1. Free books to download
2. Allies rule removed which allowed for a game break


I consider this encouraging...