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Home Base: Waconia, MN (Minneapolis)

So I thought I'd get this started for the community so hopefully we can get the word out there for it. More details will be forthcoming over the next week or so.

The SoCal Smackdown is being brought to you by the Southern California Games Workshop League. The same league that has run the Slaughter in Space and SoCal Slaughter for the last few years. This event was just confirmed 2-days ago as a qualifier for the Vegas Invitational GT next near. They are also according to the TO's going to use this as a chance to run a "competitive" oriented event to see how it does compared to their normal events which include comp.

It will be a 5-game GT for both Fantasy and 40k. There are only 30 spots available for each. It looks like price will be between $50-$60 for the weekend. It is running as part of a larger convention which is the reason for the limited space. The price does include a weekend pass for the Con as well.

Sign up at: http://socalsmackdown.com/

I'll keep this post updated as I get more information for you guys. Hope to see you guys there!

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San Jose, CA

But, with no comp, someone might bring 24 Bloodcrushers!!

Oh. Wait.



Sounds like fun; I look forward to more details.

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Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents

Hrm....

This could be another chance to fly across the country and get drunk!

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24 bloodcrushers rock until they run into 3 dreadnaughts, amirite?

Sounds like cool stuff, Hulk.
   
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Yeah, I think I've finally started to convince Q that 40k doesn't need comp. People will bring what people will bring. I'm really pushing for them to give this a try on the 40k side using a more competitive format. And 5 rounds will guarentee an undisputed winner. Only 1 person can go 5-0.

Granted Fantasy might not even need comp by then though.

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Hulksmash wrote:And 5 rounds will guarentee an undisputed winner. Only 1 person can go 5-0.






So no ties?
   
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It's what I'm pushing for. We'll see. He's working out the packet now. He just asked me to post the info he'd given me to start the buzz. Since we've only got a little over 2 months.

On a side note: Did you get my PM MVB?

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Hulksmash wrote:

And 5 rounds will guarentee an undisputed winner. Only 1 person can go 5-0.



Hrm...and smart tournament formatting is spreading! =D

Hulk, what are the dates? Labor day is...end of August? First of September? Mobile and harried here (going to sign lease on new house today, all belongings in the back of a U-Haul).

Hrm...maybe we should just get back in the truck and drive to CA! I bet my company has a position out there for me.

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That would be awesome Dash.

As for the dates I'm pretty sure it's the first weekend of September. So the 4th-5th I believe.

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I am not sure about completely eliminating it, but I definately would like to dump the checklist for a simple Thumbs Up or Down mark, probably ignoring one bad mark when scoring so when Hulk Chipmunks someone they don't get hurt!

The missions will be fairly generic, since I will be handling the judging of both events and do not want to be fielding lengthy discussions about mission rules. Expect a packet up sometime this weekend (along with the one for Slaughter on the Strip aka NeonCon GT) with full rules.

The Fantasy GT will just be using the same exact format as the SoCal Slaughter, for those interested in that.
   
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Oh, Hulk ... I got your pm/email ... will reply no worries, just busy.

You should up it to 32 players if you're going with clearcut, or else you'll have some undefeateds getting "easier" matches against players with losses already.
   
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Your just gonna dump it Phazael. It's all good

40k doesn't need comp! I'm still Ok with sports scores but comp is dead in 40k.

And I'd consider looking at not doing comp for a few events in fantasy after 8th comes out since you don't know which(if any) armies might be mega-overpowered until everyone settles into the new ruleset.

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Sounds like a good time. There is a tournament in Phoenix the weekend after this one, with this much warning I might not have to make a "either/or" choice. I hope I can swing doing both since I'm right in between! I have family in both LA and Phoenix so it can all be done under the guise of a family vacation.

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Yes!!!!

This is perfect... Phazael, I think you'll be happy with the response you get. And if you follow through with the soft score removal (not including painting of course) then I will certainly mobilize the sprue posse. I'm sure the san diego crowd will be there too. 30 spots will disappear like hotcakes...

And that gives me 9 weeks to paint 80 termagants, 5 MCs and 7 hive guard.... Might have to take a sabbatical!

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Feel free to PM me to talk about your list ideas....

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Getting my broom incase there is shenanigans.

Hulksmash wrote:
It will be a 5-game GT for both Fantasy and 40k. There are only 30 spots available for each. It looks like price will be between $50-$60 for the weekend. It is running as part of a larger convention which is the reason for the limited space. The price does include a weekend pass for the Con as well.


So it will be part of the Gateway Convention at the LAX Radisson?
http://www.strategicon.net/

No comp would be a step in the right direction, and better, streamlined missions would be nice.

Oh, and a lowering of the point limit might be better too. It seems like the higher the points, the better IG do. I would like to play in a tournament that is less than 2000 points and have people make some hard decisions in what they have to bring instead of being able to play with all of their toys.


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Hulksmash wrote:And 5 rounds will guarentee an undisputed winner. Only 1 person can go 5-0.
The best thing about a pure elimination system is that all wins are equal. This lets armies like Eldar & Tau compete better, as they don't have to try and achieve a massacre result.

The downside, of course, is the hard cap on the number of players who can be involved.

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Hey Hulkster, do you have any idea when they will start to make tix available for this event or is it too eairly in da planning stages?

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Don't lower the points limit!

40K was intended to be played at 2K, 1,500 is for Limeys and sissies!

This sounds awesome, SiS was a bitchin tournament and if we go towards a no comp, no tie tournament that would be sweet.

When do tickets go on sale?

I'll post info on the San Diego boards.

   
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@Blackmoor

Actually it's not involved with that at all. It's going to be in Anaheim and it's a different event completely. And I'm sure it's going to stay at 2k. There are a few armies that don't perform well below that level(Nids/Tau) while it's the cap on some armies that do (DE/Orks). That last statement is personal opinion of course but I do think 2k tends to be a sweetspot for any dex from Eldar forward.

@Grimgob

I don't know for sure when they will start taking ticket sales on it but I know he's trying to get eveything set-up by the end of next week. Meaning that we'll have all the info we need for tickets and such by then.

@Bladewalker

It'd be awesome to have you.

@Everyone

Phazael is only seriously considering removing comp. Not sports. But remember that the SCGWL events the Golden Tickets go to Best General and Best Overall. So Sportsmanship will probably definitely be in. I'm going to try and talk him into experimenting with this one to see how it goes for 40k and make the only soft score painting but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do it.

Anybody who would prefer that format let us know here or thru PM to me and maybe if we can show a strong enough support for it then they'll consider it.

I know that Shep's and Nash's crew would be totally down for it (around 6-10 guys). And I know a fair chunk of the San Diego crowd would be too (another 3-6) so if we can show him that over 20 tickets will disappear off the bat maybe we can get him to experiment with it.

Use your voice fella's

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You guys know where my vote lies!

Ditch comp, the rules books are comp themselves. Painting should stay in as that is a part of the hobby, and sports....hmm, I have had one tournament game that sucked in this last ard boyz and that was it out of all of them that I have played.

I say drop it and simply have a system where a player gets a warning if he is being a douche, then gets booted, like yellow card, red card (I have world cup on the brain right now).

   
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No comp is hard-core... I disagree that comp doesn't belong in 40k. I actually just think that none of us have seen a great system to judge it yet. Regardless, I'd rather play with no comp system, than with a bad comp system so I'm in....

LoL... If I ever started grading comp for 5th editon 40k, it would actually only have one question: Is the list a SPAM? IE- Razorback SPAM, Ork Battlewagon SPAM, Land Raider SPAM, DE Raider SPAM, Blood Angel Dreadnought SPAM, Monsterous Creature SPAM, ect... (Feel free to insert any SPAM that I forgot)

Funny, I never did like the taste of SPAM. My mother-in-law says that it is good when you eat your SPAM deep-fried, or heated up in the microwave. Others say that SPAM tastes good with eggs or with on a sandwich. I haven't tried any in a while so maybe it's time I should...

So, I guess this is a good time for me to bust out Logan Grimnar and my Wolf Guard SPAM and see how it does.

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As far as comp goes, I'm completely indifferent. Even under moderately optimal circumstances, as in the Slaughter in Space, it can lead to some absurdities (Tau are cheesier than Tyranids!), and didn't really seem to affect the results too much - top 4 finishers had middle-of-the-road judge comp, and player judged comp ranged from 22-30 (22 being an outlier; 26-30 everywhere else).

It's fairly apparent that the presence of comp didn't play a large role in people's army selections, and a variation of 4 pts in player-judged comp (out of about 180 pts possible for the event) is negligible. If Phazael wants to include comp and have it mean something, it'd have to be a larger differentiator. Keeping it in as-is is harmless, except where it irks certain people's principles.

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Ok, here is the COMPromise (/drumfill) I am running with for this. I am using a pure thumbs up / thumbs down system for both sports and comp. The first thumbs down is ignored for both catagories, so people don't get stung with the butthurt factor as much. If this pans out, it will serve as our new standard for all future events. I know you want comp gone completely, but I want to test a middle road approach first, before I ditch it entirely, especially since its absence makes painting the primary soft score. Bear in mind that round one in this event will be completely random draw, since there are no required list submissions.

That said, the effects of soft scores should be greatly lessoned under what I will run at this event. If people like it and don't abuse it, Neon Con will operate under the same system, for both Fantasy and 40k. Anyhow, here is the packet. I await my flaming at the hands of the unwashed masses of the internet:

www.scgwl.com/downloads/GT/SSD40K.pdf



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ps- If both tournaments have no absurd composition issues, I will be able to pull comp from both formats (Fantasy and 40k) for future events. So I guess, its how people treat it here.

pps- With the massive cluster fornication that is the Inquisition Dexes, I am going with the following ruling (covered in the packet) on allies: Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters may (assuming they have a hardcover book) ally with each other and take inducted allies, as outlined in the original codex. Other armies may NOT take any Inquisition allies, until further notice.


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ppps- You should be able to sign up for this event on the socal smackdown website. Right now, its capped at 60 players for both events, total, but if we sell out early, we will add another room and split the events between the two. Also, night time open gaming with our terrain is a go for anyone who wants to, Friday through Sunday.

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Nevermind.....

So to register you need to register on the sight. And then sign up. Phazael do we sign up for the Smackdown ($25) and the tournament ($30)? Or just the tournament? Thanks

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At a first glance it looks good Phazael.

I was planning on going out to AZ the following weekend, but I'd much rather stay closer to home and play in this as I don't think the wife will let me take off for 2 weekends in a row.


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Hulk-
Sign up for both (total is 55$). Sorry about the price, but we scoped it to break even and its still less expensive than the one day church basement GT at least! Venue is really nice, by the way.
   
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$55 for a GT is perfectly fine for 5 games over 2 days. No one will balk at that price. Especially since it's being run by guys who are upstanding TO's who have a habit of putting on smooth, fun events.

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Thanks for getting the missions up so quickly!

A couple questions/comments:
Mission 3: "All other Infiltrators and Scouts must use the standard reserves rules, as outlined for the Pitched Battle deployment."
Is it the intent that all units having Scout or Infiltrate must be in Reserves? 'Cause that's how I read this clause.

Mission 4: "Gravity Flux – All infantry and walkers gain the Fleet universal special rule this turn. All Vehicles gain the Fast universal special rule this turn. If a vehicle is already Fast, then it may move up to 12” and fire all of its weapons, just as if it had moved only 6” that turn. Due to the erratic gravity, all shots fired on this turn reduce their effective ballistic skill by one point."
Bonus for Fast vehicles, but not for already-Fleet units? Both my Tyranids and Daemons don't like the favoritism towards vehicles.

Composition: "Thumbs Down: This army was taken to extremes and creates non-tactical dice rolling contests."
I don't understand this criteria. If you could provide an example, I might be able to suggest an alternative phrasing.

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Mission 3-
Thats an error on my part. You may deploy those units normally, just not with Reserve or Outflank rules.

Mission 4-
Vehicles in this mission (under the effects of a Spike) have to contend with dangerous terrain, so I think the scales are even there. Your Nids and Daemons will get to count many of their guns as twin linked, where as Vehicles will not, as well.

Composition:
Thumbs down is basically just for guys who show up with lists designed to suck all of the fun out of the game, which is very few. Really, Hulk and Dark General's armies were the only ones from our last GT that might draw one of these. I would be very suprised to see any thumbs downs on the 40k end of the room and will have an argument for dumping comp to my team if that is the case.
   
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Phazael wrote:Mission 4-
Vehicles in this mission (under the effects of a Spike) have to contend with dangerous terrain, so I think the scales are even there. Your Nids and Daemons will get to count many of their guns as twin linked, where as Vehicles will not, as well.
As written, Fast vehicles don't take dangerous terrain. Lots of upside to Fast vehicles in this mission, and no real downside (which was really my point, buried under the flippancy).

Composition:
Thumbs down is basically just for guys who show up with lists designed to suck all of the fun out of the game, which is very few. Really, Hulk and Dark General's armies were the only ones from our last GT that might draw one of these. I would be very suprised to see any thumbs downs on the 40k end of the room and will have an argument for dumping comp to my team if that is the case.
Then something more along the lines of "I would never, under any circumstances, enjoy playing against this army" might be a better choice. (I actually enjoyed playing against TDG's army; he could have made it much worse, simply by including some non-Khornate units in there).

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