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A nice looking collection!

What calibre is the NRA "musket"?

Winchester 30-30

What are your thoughts on de-milled wall-hangers? I have the option to purchase a very good condition (and totally complete) bazooka. Obviously it is nonfunctional. Silly man-toy, or cool nostalgia?

 cuda1179 wrote:
What are your thoughts on de-milled wall-hangers? I have the option to purchase a very good condition (and totally complete) bazooka. Obviously it is nonfunctional. Silly man-toy, or cool nostalgia?

Go for it, I almost went in on a demilled RPG7

Things can be both silly mantoys and cool nostalgia, nothing wrong with either as long as you acknowledge and accept that for what it is.

 cuda1179 wrote:
What are your thoughts on de-milled wall-hangers? I have the option to purchase a very good condition (and totally complete) bazooka. Obviously it is nonfunctional. Silly man-toy, or cool nostalgia?

YES!

I make poor life choices.

 Vaktathi wrote:
I make poor life choices.

I disagree sir. I almost bought one last month, but put it back.

And now they might be banning the import of Molot/Vepr rifles, which means the prices will skyrocket (true or not, you know how gun rumors work).

 complex57 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
I make poor life choices.

I disagree sir. I almost bought one last month, but put it back.

And now they might be banning the import of Molot/Vepr rifles, which means the prices will skyrocket (true or not, you know how gun rumors work).

Well, Molot went bankrupt and the only company with the $$ to buy it is Kalashnikov. Kalashnikov is on the list of banned imports which means Vepr's will inherit the ban. The import ban is a holdover from the previous administration's sanctions against Russia's illegal annexation of the Crimea from the Ukraine.

But yeah, if you want one (do not want - personal choice, the guns are great just not for me) better get it quick!

Yeah, a weird state of affairs. Id picked it up Sunday because it was the model that had the folding stock that you could make functional after making it 922r compliant and was at a good price for that version, and then the treasury departments reclassification hit while it was en route to the FFL.



That said, the thing weighs more than any other shotgun Ive held and is on par with my milled receiver AK. It feels monster solid and the safety is ludicrously tight. One could probably beat a pachyderm to death with it and not break a thing. The trigger curiously is the best of any AK I've ever tried, its a little gritty but breaks very clean and with very little pressure. The mag release is weird, operating the catch and pulling a mag out with my right hand works just fine, requires some intent but works, however that same manipulation from the left hand (while retaining the fire control with the right hand) is much more difficult, not sure why, its not like there is a mechanical difference, but I think the angle at which you pull the mag out matters a lot.

 Vaktathi wrote:
I make poor life choices.

You mis-spelled awesome

Color me green with envy. Always loved AK-type fire arms. Figures, I have never had the opportunity to fire one unfortunately.

They're cheap as balls right now, like $450 or so.

I love the AK platform. I'm about to buy all the parts needed to finish my last stripped receiver that's been laying around the house for two years. Then I need to finish the stripped ar receiver I keep forgetting I have sitting in my safe...

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/06/29/fatal-youtube-stunt-shooting-book-ekr-orig-vstop.cnn

Most responsible gun owner award goes to....

I think it's completely reasonable to think a book will stop as .50AE.

If the book was made of Chobham armor.

That was a well earned Darwin award.

 Bromsy wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/06/29/fatal-youtube-stunt-shooting-book-ekr-orig-vstop.cnn

Most responsible gun owner award goes to....

The Four Rule are there for a reason;
- All guns are always loaded.
- Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
- Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
- Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

 Ouze wrote:
I think it's completely reasonable to think a book will stop as .50AE.

Maybe the complete works of Tolkien in one volume

Saw a deal that I'm very intrigued about. It's a Cheetah Ch12HF. Basically this is a renaming of the DDI 12.

It's a 12 gauge semi-auto with detachable box magazine based loosely on parts of a Saiga, AK47, and AR15. It uses Saiga compatible magazines and foregrips. AK pistol Grips, and AR stocks. It's receiver is very AK-like, although it has and AR styled safety selector. Threaded barrel.

Deal I found comes with 4 SGM 10-round mags, factory 5 round mag, SGM tactical fore grip, and and SGM muzzle brake. $599, free shipping.

Reviews on this weapon look good, and I'm tempted.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Saw a deal that I'm very intrigued about. It's a Cheetah Ch12HF. Basically this is a renaming of the DDI 12.

It's a 12 gauge semi-auto with detachable box magazine based loosely on parts of a Saiga, AK47, and AR15. It uses Saiga compatible magazines and foregrips. AK pistol Grips, and AR stocks. It's receiver is very AK-like, although it has and AR styled safety selector. Threaded barrel.

Deal I found comes with 4 SGM 10-round mags, factory 5 round mag, SGM tactical fore grip, and and SGM muzzle brake. $599, free shipping.

Reviews on this weapon look good, and I'm tempted.

How reliable is it?

 Vaktathi wrote:
That was a well earned Darwin award.

Wrong. The genes have already been passed on, the young lady is pregnant with his kid.

 CptJake wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
That was a well earned Darwin award.

Wrong. The genes have already been passed on, the young lady is pregnant with his kid.

Let us hope the genes in question fare better then...


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 cuda1179 wrote:
Saw a deal that I'm very intrigued about. It's a Cheetah Ch12HF. Basically this is a renaming of the DDI 12.

It's a 12 gauge semi-auto with detachable box magazine based loosely on parts of a Saiga, AK47, and AR15. It uses Saiga compatible magazines and foregrips. AK pistol Grips, and AR stocks. It's receiver is very AK-like, although it has and AR styled safety selector. Threaded barrel.

Deal I found comes with 4 SGM 10-round mags, factory 5 round mag, SGM tactical fore grip, and and SGM muzzle brake. $599, free shipping.

Reviews on this weapon look good, and I'm tempted.

I havent heard anything on these. I know some DDI shotguns developed something of a poor reputation, but they made/imported several different types so I dont remember which ones. If it's a decently built Saiga clone it'll probably be just fine, though may require a bit of work to get functional with a very wide array of shells.

 cuda1179 wrote:
What are your thoughts on de-milled wall-hangers? I have the option to purchase a very good condition (and totally complete) bazooka. Obviously it is nonfunctional. Silly man-toy, or cool nostalgia?

Am I the only one who cries a little when they demill a weapon? I mean, have you seen what they do to a tank in EU when it gets demilled? It's a sacrilege...

Quick questions for you american friends: is a non american allowed to practice shooting in a stand /allowed to buy/own a gun in the USA ?
Or is it a State by State regulation ?
I'm in the French Army, may this be a problem for all things related to guns ?
Thanks !

Can shoot in states that permit ownership easily (aka certain states you will have difficulty finding them available for rent or may require some sort of certificate). To own, I don't know how that works.

Note Alabama and then Colorado will be the least restrictive.

 godardc wrote:
Quick questions for you american friends: is a non american allowed to practice shooting in a stand /allowed to buy/own a gun in the USA ?
Or is it a State by State regulation ?
I'm in the French Army, may this be a problem for all things related to guns ?
Thanks !

If coming in as a tourist/student/eyc you are allowed to shoot a gun in the US, but basically the legal owner needs to be there close by, like you can shoot your American friend's gun if they are in your immediate presence (this gets somewhat murky with the definition of "possession", if they're right next to you, no problem, if the take off for half an hour to go drive somewhere and come back, that may get someone in trouble). Gun tourist places will typically have an employee on the lane the whole time with you in arms reach if you try out one of those places.

If you obtain a hunting license or similar permit (usually done at the state level, requirements may vary here) you can rent a gun and take it out hunting or whatnot. You can bring your own as well under such circumstances but this requires filling out some paperwork and getting cleared first.

You can buy one if you are a legal resident, or if a noninmigrant resident who buys from a FFL (licensed shop) that arranges to have the weapon directly exported (so you never take possession in the US).

Being in the French Army shouldn't pose any problems as far as I'm aware.

https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/nonimmigrant-aliens

Some states may have additional regulations so that may add another layer of complication but I'm not immediately aware of any.


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 BaronIveagh wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
What are your thoughts on de-milled wall-hangers? I have the option to purchase a very good condition (and totally complete) bazooka. Obviously it is nonfunctional. Silly man-toy, or cool nostalgia?

Am I the only one who cries a little when they demill a weapon? I mean, have you seen what they do to a tank in EU when it gets demilled? It's a sacrilege...

it does hurt...but often these things would otherwise be entirely destroyed and there's no other way to own them in many cases :(

 Vaktathi wrote:
it does hurt...but often these things would otherwise be entirely destroyed and there's no other way to own them in many cases :(

There are plenty of ways to own them. You just have to have the right permits.

And many countries entirely destroy them and then sell them as 'demilled'. To get German tanks anymore that are unmolested you have to buy them from third parties (Amsterdam and Czechoslovakia in general can be pretty good for unmolested armor). Otherwise it isn't even tank shaped, as all armor on the vehicle must be rendered utterly useless. Usually this means that every two feet there's' a two foot hole cut in the vehicle.

 godardc wrote:
Quick questions for you american friends: is a non american allowed to practice shooting in a stand /allowed to buy/own a gun in the USA ?
Or is it a State by State regulation ?
I'm in the French Army, may this be a problem for all things related to guns ?
Thanks !

Federal law at 18 U.S.C. § 922 bans the sale of firearms or ammunition to aliens except for permanent residents, which would rule out any foreign tourist being able to purchase guns from a licensed dealer. Due to constitutional restrictions the federal ban is only applicable if the firearm or ammunition is transported across state lines. But state law does not carry such a restriction, and I am not aware of any state which does not also ban the sale of firearms or ammunition to non-resident aliens. The ATF provides a factsheet for Nonimmigrant Aliens Purchasing Firearms and Ammunition in the United States.

I'd imagine, though, if you have friends in America, they'd be willing to buy the weapon (if you provided the money) and then you could shoot it while you're visiting them. You'd probably want to also do stuff like buying a gun-safe or lock for it, though.

Then again, I'm not sure if there's rules against that.

Anvildude wrote:
I'd imagine, though, if you have friends in America, they'd be willing to buy the weapon (if you provided the money) and then you could shoot it while you're visiting them. You'd probably want to also do stuff like buying a gun-safe or lock for it, though.

Then again, I'm not sure if there's rules against that.

That could be considered a straw purchase, which is a felony.

I don't think anything would prevent you from going to a gun range and shooting other people's firearms, as long as they're with you.

I definitely would NOT give someone money to buy a gun so you could shoot it.