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Can the Blood angels vindicator move and shot it's demolisher cannon in the same turn even though it's ordinance?

Ordinance Barrage is the one that can't move and shoot. Vindicators can move and shoot.

To clarify, ALL Vindicators can move 6" and shoot.

Being Fast vehicles, BA Vindicators can move 12" and shoot.

I say, n0t_u, that monocle looks rather dashing.

That changes things we have been playing it wrong thanks.
Just to clarify they are all large blast yea?

Duzra wrote:Can the Blood angels vindicator move and shot it's demolisher cannon in the same turn even though it's ordinance?

You're thinking of 3rd ed. Ever since 4th you can move and fire Ordnance (with increased scatter in 4th only)

If you are Ordnance Barrage, and want to fire AS Barrage, you cannot have moved (but if you move you can stil lfire "directly", unless prohibited explicitly from ever doing so)

Duzra wrote:Just to clarify they are all large blast yea?

Ordnance BLAST (thanks nos) means the large blast template. The only reason it wouldn't is if a weapon specified otherwise.

Zatchmo - sadly but you are incorrect. It is a common mistake.

Ordnance BLAST weapons all use the Large Blast. "Ordnance" with NO blast specified means it does not use ANY blast marker at all, but still follows the Ordnance rules for penetration. This means the Hellstrike missiles on the Valkyrie, which are Ordnance, do not use blast markers at all (to give you an example of non-blast ordnance weapons)

Now they errata'd it to include "Blast" next to the profile, so it IS large blast, however RAW simply being called "Ordnance" does NOT mean you use *any* blast marker, never mind the large one!

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Now they errata'd it to include "Blast" next to the profile, so it IS large blast, however RAW simply being called "Ordnance" does NOT mean you use *any* blast marker, never mind the large one!

Huh?

He means that Ordnance only uses a Blast Marker if it says it does... but if it does say that it's an Ordnance Blast weapon, it uses the big one.

All "Ordnance" denotes, by itself, is that you roll 2D6 for pen and pick the highest - nothing else.

Ordnance next to Blast means you use the large blast.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Zatchmo - sadly but you are incorrect. It is a common mistake.

Ordnance BLAST weapons all use the Large Blast. "Ordnance" with NO blast specified means it does not use ANY blast marker at all, but still follows the Ordnance rules for penetration. This means the Hellstrike missiles on the Valkyrie, which are Ordnance, do not use blast markers at all (to give you an example of non-blast ordnance weapons)

Now they errata'd it to include "Blast" next to the profile, so it IS large blast, however RAW simply being called "Ordnance" does NOT mean you use *any* blast marker, never mind the large one!

Derp!

That's what I get for posting at 5 in the morning, thank you for the correction!

Cheers guy this has helped me loads

insaniak wrote:He means that Ordnance only uses a Blast Marker if it says it does... but if it does say that it's an Ordnance Blast weapon, it uses the big one.

I don't disagree with any of that. I was (unclearly) referring the reference to the FAQ.

I am well aware that only Ordnance Barrage uses the large blast marker as default. And that Ordnance Blast indicates the use of the large blast marker.

It seems to me that he implied that a Errata in the IG FAQ allowed the Hellstrikes to use the large marker. I am sure it is a case of mistaken identities with the HellFURY missiles, but just checking.

AH no - i was referring to the BA FAQ, where they *add* the blast characteristic to the vindicator.

Okeydokey.

I was waylaid by the reference to Hellstrike missiles in the paragraph above it.

I was just giving an example, to prove a point, of a weapon that was ordnance without being blast

Well handled in here - hugs all around!

nosferatu1001 wrote:Zatchmo - sadly but you are incorrect. It is a common mistake.

Ordnance BLAST weapons all use the Large Blast. "Ordnance" with NO blast specified means it does not use ANY blast marker at all, but still follows the Ordnance rules for penetration. This means the Hellstrike missiles on the Valkyrie, which are Ordnance, do not use blast markers at all (to give you an example of non-blast ordnance weapons)

Now they errata'd it to include "Blast" next to the profile, so it IS large blast, however RAW simply being called "Ordnance" does NOT mean you use *any* blast marker, never mind the large one!

You mean RAM (rules as Misprinted) not RAW =)

RAM? No, RAW, "Ordnance" does NOT make you "blast" "anything", it simply allows you a higher chance to armour penetrate. The Hellstrikes are not a misprint at all.

Now the fact that they forgot to add "blast" to the vindicator simply means that it doesnt use a blast at all. And actually gives space marines one of their best anti vehicle weapons....adding blast makes this considerably worse!

nosferatu1001 wrote:RAM? No, RAW, "Ordnance" does NOT make you "blast" "anything", it simply allows you a higher chance to armour penetrate. The Hellstrikes are not a misprint at all.

Now the fact that they forgot to add "blast" to the vindicator simply means that it doesnt use a blast at all. And actually gives space marines one of their best anti vehicle weapons....adding blast makes this considerably worse!

Clearly the RAM (rules as Misprinted) i was referring to was the Errata, since he clearly stated Errata for the BA vindicator.

and those things are crap anyway, they always get locked up cause it is such a powerful weapon.

I never use my vindicator, i have made it a Rhino/Razorback/Predator.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
If you are Ordnance Barrage, and want to fire AS Barrage, you cannot have moved (but if you move you can stil lfire "directly", unless prohibited explicitly from ever doing so)

Actually you can if your vehicle type is Fast, which incidentally a BA Whirlwind is. See page 70 under "Fast vehicles firing"