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Something I've been pondering. Every so often, someone will bring up the idea of a 5th Chaos god. Heck, the fluff even mentions other, less powerful warp entities, though never by name. But my question is, what human emotion or concept is there that one of the other 4 don't have covered? I mean, you can give me an idea, and I can probably "6-Steps-of-Kevin-Bacon" it to one of the existing 4, so what's something that's entirely unique?

Note, this isn't about The Starchild/Emperor reincarnate, the major benevolent warp entity, or Malal, which is chaos against itself. This is about other gods could be.

Oh, and bonus points if you can think of an awesome name.

Isn't the 5th chaos god called Malal?

5th, 6th, 12, whatever. You think numbers have meaning in the warp? Who's to say which Chaos god is first, second, third or fourth.

I just mean, what other Chaos entities could there be?

Or did you just not bother reading past the whole post, where I pretty much say yes, Malal is out there, as is the Star Child, but well ignore them for this discussion.

Sorry, i'm reading this at work and using a tiny window so i dont get caught, read the first bit and must have gotten scroll-happy.

Other Gods/Entities......I'm trying to look at the 7 deadly sins for inspiration but they are all pretty much covered by the existing gods. Although i'm getting some cool/funny ideas for armies and colour schemes.

Sloth? Is there a lazy god? Its followers would sit back and brainwash others into doing their fighting for them.

I thought his domain was DakkaDakka?

Etiamnunc, The Unchanging, god of stasis and opposition. His very nature is paradoxical, as he lives within the ever-changing chaos of the Warp; his servants work to gain power and hold it forever, or simply to keep the universe in its current state of war and destruction for all eternity. The champions of Etiamnunc can warp time and space with their magic, freezing their foes into living statues or summoning doppleganger daemons that mirror their foes so perfectly that no man can slay one without dying himself.

The greatest of Etiamnunc's servants are corrupted Eldar, those who avoided the clutches of Slaanesh by embracing the only power who can promise them truly eternal life. They rarely stir from their fortresses deep in the Maelstrom; they can freeze men into stone with a glance, raise invisible walls of power to exclude any foes and hold life within their slaves and minions despite the most terrible of injuries.

Etiamnunc is opposed to every other god; opposition is his nature. However, he is an especially implacable foe of Tzeentch and Nurgle.

well, there are other Gods in the warp that are named as well.

Lets see there is Gork and Mork. These in my opinion are the most powerful gods in the milkyway if not the warp itself. Orks are the most succesfull species and arguable most powerful, and there actions directly fuel these two which unlike the other big four whose powers vary in dominance. Orks are always fighting and literally everywhere.

Khaine, Isha, Cegorach, Vaul and the rest of the Eldar panteon which i guess are dead ever since slannesh exept for Cegorach who lives on in the webway with the Harlequins. Ohh and Khaine which lives on in part through the avatars.

ohnh and i forgot Ynnead who is forming in the warp ready to exact revenge on slannesh once and IF the eldar ever go extinct.

Commander Endova wrote:5th, 6th, 12, whatever. You think numbers have meaning in the warp? Who's to say which Chaos god is first, second, third or fourth.

Actually, they are numbered.

Khorne was the first to awaken (all of humanities' violence etc), then Tzeentch, then Nurgle and lastly Slaanesh.


I don't actually have confirmation that Nurgle was 3rd, but seeing as I have confirmation on the other three's positioning, it's just logical to put him there.

I beleive the Emperor once he dies is to be the 5th Chaos God, the Star Child or something, can't remember where I heard it though.

derp, the star child? ^^^

There's mention of lesser gods that do basically the same thing...I'm sure there's plenty of blood gods and pleasure gods running around in the shadow of khorne and slaanesh.

Tzeentch is pretty much absolute and he seems to be greatly revered among chaos worshippers. He seems to basically embody the warp in it's entirety.


Who's malal?

Malal is a no-longer-canon chaos god that was representative of chaos' constant strife against itself.

A chaos god of infighting and strife, if you will, but only amongst Chaos worshippers.

Commander Endova wrote:I just mean, what other Chaos entities could there be?

If there is an emotion felt by a great number of people, then there is a "chaos god" for it. Supposedly.

Melissia wrote:Malal is a no-longer-canon chaos god that was representative of chaos' constant strife against itself.

A chaos god of infighting and strife, if you will, but only amongst Chaos worshippers.

Commander Endova wrote:I just mean, what other Chaos entities could there be?

If there is an emotion felt by a great number of people, then there is a "chaos god" for it. Supposedly.

Sympathy

The problem is the the 4 main gods cover most of them so well. Like "sloth" or "unchanging" is easily nurgle, though the powers described are more associated with Tzeentch. Sympathy is also a nurglitch trait.

Ymgr: The Corpse-God, the Great Devourer, the Unyielding Hunger, the Ravenous Maw. Five is It's Number, and it shall be counted Fifth amongst the Ruinous Powers to awaken within the Material Universe. Its single-minded hunger consumes Tzeentch's complex plotting, is perverted by Slaanesh's whims, is sated by Nurgle's fullness, and is denied by the destruction wrought by Khorne. It is the Hellsmouth, the Jaws of Apophis the Serpent of Chaos closing on the Material Universe.

The god of devouring? You mean desire? That's basically Slaanesh+Tzeentchian aspects.

Nope, I mean devouring, whether it's desired or not.

I'll just point out that the Ruinous Powers overlap in such a way that any one can be attributed the domains of any others. The trick to defining any such power is finding a thread common to all of the subsisting ones and running with it. Slaanesh, for example, isn't about desire, as commonly thought, but about the perversion of desire, ruining and deforming it. The domain of change is rightly that of Tzeentch, but Slaanesh isn't change for the sake of change, or amoral change, but specifically change for the worse, of expectations shattered, beauty corrupted, adulation falsely given, and nasty little secrets spoiling any great work. Slaanesh is specifically immoral change, immoral decay, and immoral destruction. Naturally Slaanesh would come into conflict with Ymgr where pure amoral hunger is twisted to some immoral purpose, or some immoral purpose is swallowed up by some hunger that knows no purposes for good or ill.

Ornulu The God of Frost,the cold & snow, His plane in the warp is an eternal land frost & ice ranging at temperatures well below sub freezing in the very center of this plane where it is so cold many sentient beings instantly freeze to death. Stands a massive castle of ice, eternally strong in its foundations, guarded by an endless army of ice warriors

His mortal servants consist of mainly primitive tribesmen on distant worlds that are covered in frost unlike other gods he is not interested in the mortal realm those who die in service to him are changed into ice warriors to guard his ice castle for all eternity

I'm not sure it's possible to actually harm a Chaos God unless you remove all sentient thought from existance. Afterall, the warp extends far beyond just the warhams fortymillion galaxy we're used to. Who knows how many galaxy's, if not realities (to those of you who believe in such things) the Chaos Gods' influence and power extend to?

Slight off topic there. Anyway, continue.

Necoho, the god of atheism.

On a serious note (though Necoho was a part of the background);

Alazhared, god of Radiation. His domain stands as a desolate wasteland, covered with chared and blasted ruins. His demons are the savagely irradiated corruption of souls, demons, and anything else foolish enough to stumble into the radioactive desolation of his world. Where Nurgle plants corruption, Alazhared plants only death, blasting landscapes with atomic fire so nothing may flourish there again.

Some more info on Malal if people want it. Sounds like Chaos Lizardmen a bit to me though

BeRzErKeR wrote:Etiamnunc, The Unchanging, god of stasis and opposition. His very nature is paradoxical, as he lives within the ever-changing chaos of the Warp; his servants work to gain power and hold it forever, or simply to keep the universe in its current state of war and destruction for all eternity. The champions of Etiamnunc can warp time and space with their magic, freezing their foes into living statues or summoning doppleganger daemons that mirror their foes so perfectly that no man can slay one without dying himself.

The greatest of Etiamnunc's servants are corrupted Eldar, those who avoided the clutches of Slaanesh by embracing the only power who can promise them truly eternal life. They rarely stir from their fortresses deep in the Maelstrom; they can freeze men into stone with a glance, raise invisible walls of power to exclude any foes and hold life within their slaves and minions despite the most terrible of injuries.

Etiamnunc is opposed to every other god; opposition is his nature. However, he is an especially implacable foe of Tzeentch and Nurgle.

Republicans?

Isha is still alive, she's just imprisoned by nurgle.

as for the 5th chaos god, I would say something like this would be approptiate:

Krathuun: god of fear and despair. Created by the hopeless fear that even mankind's bravest experienced at the tyranid invasion. he grows more powerful each time a world dies.

There have been a lot more "gods" than the ones we know about.

The current 4 "Gods" are no more gods than a Banana. They are just very powerful warp entities created by Mankind's disproportionately large warp signature (ok, 3 of them anyway) and the fact there are 8 bajillion humans for every other living thing in the Galaxy.

As has already been pointed out, there have been numerous Eldar Gods, other powerful Warp powers etc.

A God of Atheism sounds fun though.

Would you guys file hypocrisy under Necoho's domain? Hypocrisy is a major theme in my CSM fluff and I think I might have found a god to worship, Malal sorta works too. As is I just say my DP is a warp entity spawned by the hypocrisy of my CSM. Like their sense of justice simply being an excuse to torture people (inquisition anyone?) and other dubious acts like they think all the other Dark Angels are Fallen and they're the only loyalists

I always liked the crazy abstract stuff going on the warp so I decided to settle on a godly domain that was a little harder to grasp.

To repeat others that were good yet passed up:

Fear- Fear isnt really covered by any of the major powers. Loosly by nurgle because when people fear death they go to nurgle to stop it. But you could go crazy with this. Feel of death, loss, pain, change, urself. Anything really just the raw emotion of fear should warrent its own entitiy.

Hunger- Not excess, not desire, just the raw feeling of hunger found in every living the thing. The urge to consume all food, natural resorces, economics, everything. Id call this the hive mind, or the great maw in warhammer fantasy.

Unbelief- an actaul entity generated by peoples lack of faith and refusal to believe in anything. Athiest god. This god would prolly confuse the hell out of its foes and just leave them sitting there pondering the greater meaning of everything since there is no belief system. lol

Note on slaanesh: Slaanesh is a god of desire, but that is only part of it. Overall the big encompassing philosophy of slaanesh is EXCESS. Too much of anything is evil. This is why even as the other gods powers grow and waine slaanesh grows with them since each of ther other gods themselves are examples of there own excess of there emotiom. Look it up in the 40k daemons codex. And he is only the god of mental/moral corruption. Nurgle is the god of physical.

Narrylz, the goddess of greed. Her domain is one of riches beyond belief, of metals, minerals, and precious items only known in the wildest dreams of the insane. However, taking even one of these things will result in the mind-consuming desire to acquire it all, no matter how dangerous, or just plain stupid. Her demons are creatures made of precious ores, and her greater demons are the Vaultkeepers: creatures that promise you riches beyond wildest daydreams-in exchange for your soul and mortal life. Her lesser demons are the Bankers: they will take everything you hold dear in exchange for power, money, whatever. Think of the Bankers as pinkish-silver bloodletters. Her enemies are Tzeentch, for his thinking of nothing now for more later, and Khorne, for his lack of want of anything besides blood.

NOTE: THIS IS _NOT_ SLAANESH!!! Slaanesh is excess, not greed.

Etiamnunc the god of stagnation and decay. It kinda reminds me of cross between nurgle and the imperium, because isn't the imperium stagnating and unchanging?

The raw desire to consume, Ymgr you said? That sounds a bit like the tyranids, maybe in there hive mind-ness there is a god?

I'm sorry I'm not good at supplementing ideas, I mainly just shoot them down. But what Laughing God has brought up are good ideas.

blazinpsycho&typhooni: Yeah, the notion is that Ymgr is the Chaos Power that will be awakened when the Hive Mind reaches Terra, drawn in by the Astronomicon. Think of it like Ghostbusters where the Gate-Keeper and the Key-Master are brought together to summon Gozer. The Hungry Maw is bringing in the god of the Ogres in 40k, with the notion that the Gods are memetic in nature, invading all realities at once with their actualization.

Nurglitch wrote:blazinpsycho&typhooni: Yeah, the notion is that Ymgr is the Chaos Power that will be awakened when the Hive Mind reaches Terra, drawn in by the Astronomicon. Think of it like Ghostbusters where the Gate-Keeper and the Key-Master are brought together to summon Gozer. The Hungry Maw is bringing in the god of the Ogres in 40k, with the notion that the Gods are memetic in nature, invading all realities at once with their actualization.

I had those very same thoughts when a friend of mine let me read a 40K Comic called the Redeemer. The guy meets, and kills, a rat god obssesed cult, which has many similarities to Skaven and their Great Horned Rat. Now that would be a 40K Chaos amry to make.