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In another subforum on Dakka there was a topic started about "dirty tricks" in WHFB and 40k, im mobile and forgot the OP's name but once im on my laptop I'll link his topic. I noticed in that in his article anything related to chaos was soley lash... being someone who refuses to use lash I was wondering if anyone else had any neat tricks that border on the dirty; perfectly legal and not cheating or anything. I ca only think of baiting, like throwing DIs inaround but not fighting, nmaking the enenmy have to react soley on them like puppets!

Others?

Deep strike Obliterators into terrain, seeing as they are slow and purposeful anyway and their invuln save makes it pretty damn likely you will survive. You can keep them close as hell to their targets this way, because they have to assault through terrain.

But they can't assault on the deep srike, and i feel as though this tactic is good but very very situational you know?


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The Oblits aren't assaulting, the ENEMY will have to assault through terrain.

What Ordo Dakka is saying is that, this way, you can get obliterators relatively close, yet relatively safe, as others would have to assault through terrain to reach them. Assaulting with obliterators is really a waste.

hmmm that DOES sound like a good one BUT wouldn't it be good to keep oblit on table? they might not come in for a few turns.


oh i just remembered another one: DP's with nugle's Rot, hiding behind cover or (my favorite) hiding on another higher area and casting nurgles rot, having the swarm of enemies affected while being safe from retaliation

IronfrontAlex wrote:In another subforum on Dakka there was a topic started about "dirty tricks" in WHFB and 40k, im mobile and forgot the OP's name but once im on my laptop I'll link his topic. I noticed in that in his article anything related to chaos was soley lash... being someone who refuses to use lash I was wondering if anyone else had any neat tricks that border on the dirty; perfectly legal and not cheating or anything. I ca only think of baiting, like throwing DIs inaround but not fighting, nmaking the enenmy have to react soley on them like puppets!

Others?

well there's always the rhino-shock followed by massive flame templates. thats not chaos specific but its still pretty effective.

I tend to bait my opponent with cheap units that can deep strike in between or near them to keep them from gaining an objective. It works most of the time hehehe meat shields work great.

The dirtiest trick that I know for Chaos...

Use a Loyalist Codex that better fits your "God" Specific army of old. You will have a harder hitting, more survivalable list then anything our current bland codex has to offer.

Thanks Gw!

LordWynne wrote:I tend to bait my opponent with cheap units that can deep strike in between or near them to keep them from gaining an objective. It works most of the time hehehe meat shields work great.

you mean a deamon bomb kind of thing>? Yes that's offective when facing killy guys with low attacks like standard dreds and such, while im on the topic its also effective in games to drop a 5 man deamon squad on an objective then race off it or have them run to it at the last second, works like a charm for nabbing objectives

TherVadam wrote: Assaulting with obliterators is really a waste.

I respectfully disagree. They have 2 attacks each with a powerfist. 9 str 8 attacks on the Charge. As long as you assault something squishy, Assaulting with Oblits is actually really mean. Prime targets are Devastators and the equivalent, as you will be in cover after you when anyway. And those 9 str 8 attacks are AFTER you shoot something else at them. Also, it keeps your Obliterators safe from shooting for a turn, and since your in their backline, not much is going to pose a threat in assualt.

Assaulting with Obliterators is devastating to squishy targets, but don't get too punch happy and you will go far. You will live in happyness too, like the oompady oompady doo!

Edit: And as for "Dirty Tricks", try this: Take a Havoc Squad, Equip 4 flamers, buy a champ/power weapon, and a MoK, and watch someone who thinks Havocs are "devastator equivalents". Their sorrow, tears, and pain are exquisite.

jp400 wrote:The dirtiest trick that I know for Chaos...

Use a Loyalist Codex that better fits your "God" Specific army of old. You will have a harder hitting, more survivalable list then anything our current bland codex has to offer.

Love the avatar, btw.

jp400 wrote:The dirtiest trick that I know for Chaos...

Use a Loyalist Codex that better fits your "God" Specific army of old. You will have a harder hitting, more survivalable list then anything our current bland codex has to offer.

Thanks Gw!

NO I AM A PURIST! i refuse to drop CSM

IronfrontAlex wrote:

jp400 wrote:The dirtiest trick that I know for Chaos...

Use a Loyalist Codex that better fits your "God" Specific army of old. You will have a harder hitting, more survivalable list then anything our current bland codex has to offer.

Thanks Gw!

NO I AM A PURIST! i refuse to drop CSM

For you

Edit: Good to know there are other purists out there who are willing to take the downs along with the ups.

Well the way i see it, i could play BA as Chaos marines... but then i'd actually be playing Count as CSM and realistically i'd be a blood angels player... my opinion? That is bullshittery!


if i play in a tournement i want to see

Alex-Chaos Marines (word Bearers)


NOT Alex-LOYALIST TWILIGHT MARINES


....grrrrrrr



besides if i buy the codex, then GW sales go up a liiiiitle bit for SM, whereas if i buy CSM then the sales will increase with that slightly, might by .000000001 help budge GW to make a legions book!

You can take 5 special weapon in a Chosen squad and then outflank in a rhino. 5 flamers burn some dudes off an objective, or 5 meltaguns slag a whole squad of leaman russ tanks, or 5 plasma guns explode and kill your squad...

Chosen can infiltrate an icon and a aspiring champion to drop demons or greater demons in the face of the enemy.

Take combi melta on your rhinos.

It scares the feth out of some players especially if they haven't gone up against chaos before.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:In another subforum on Dakka there was a topic started about "dirty tricks" in WHFB and 40k, im mobile and forgot the OP's name but once im on my laptop I'll link his topic. I noticed in that in his article anything related to chaos was soley lash... being someone who refuses to use lash I was wondering if anyone else had any neat tricks that border on the dirty; perfectly legal and not cheating or anything. I ca only think of baiting, like throwing DIs inaround but not fighting, nmaking the enenmy have to react soley on them like puppets!

Others?

well there's always the rhino-shock followed by massive flame templates. thats not chaos specific but its still pretty effective.

I was half expecting "deepstrike 10 terminators with combiplasma's"

Combiweapons of all kinds can be quite surprising to people when mounted on a rhino.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned 4 special weapons in a havoc squad. I've only done it twice, but both times my opponent raised an eyebrow and asked me to hand over my codex

Jihallah wrote:I'm surprised no one has mentioned 4 special weapons in a havoc squad. I've only done it twice, but both times my opponent raised an eyebrow and asked me to hand over my codex

That's actually a pretty good tactic especially when combined with a Aspiring Champ with a powerfist... in a Rhino. You can still do a surprisingly effective Rhino rush with the CSM codex.

Jihallah wrote:I'm surprised no one has mentioned 4 special weapons in a havoc squad. I've only done it twice, but both times my opponent raised an eyebrow and asked me to hand over my codex

Slarg232 wrote:Edit: And as for "Dirty Tricks", try this: Take a Havoc Squad, Equip 4 flamers, buy a champ/power weapon, and a MoK, and watch someone who thinks Havocs are "devastator equivalents". Their sorrow, tears, and pain are exquisite.

Ummm.....

IronfrontAlex wrote:Well the way i see it, i could play BA as Chaos marines... but then i'd actually be playing Count as CSM and realistically i'd be a blood angels player... my opinion? That is bullshittery!


if i play in a tournement i want to see

Alex-Chaos Marines (word Bearers)


NOT Alex-LOYALIST TWILIGHT MARINES


....grrrrrrr



besides if i buy the codex, then GW sales go up a liiiiitle bit for SM, whereas if i buy CSM then the sales will increase with that slightly, might by .000000001 help budge GW to make a legions book!

While this is very true in all aspects.... My 3k points of Pre-Hersey World Eaters that have been sitting on the shelf since the new codex came out (cause they now suck balls with the new codex rules) are begging for a new codex that puts the balls back into CSM.

That, and I'm very sick of haveing all that money sitting around doing me NOTHING.

Along with my LATD, GS Cult, and Pure Harlie armies........



Seriously, "Frag" You GW for squatting every cool army that I have ever spent time and money on.

jp400 wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:Well the way i see it, i could play BA as Chaos marines... but then i'd actually be playing Count as CSM and realistically i'd be a blood angels player... my opinion? That is bullshittery!


if i play in a tournement i want to see

Alex-Chaos Marines (word Bearers)


NOT Alex-LOYALIST TWILIGHT MARINES


....grrrrrrr



besides if i buy the codex, then GW sales go up a liiiiitle bit for SM, whereas if i buy CSM then the sales will increase with that slightly, might by .000000001 help budge GW to make a legions book!

While this is very true in all aspects.... My 3k points of Pre-Hersey World Eaters that have been sitting on the shelf since the new codex came out (cause they now suck balls with the new codex rules) are begging for a new codex that puts the balls back into CSM.

That, and I'm very sick of haveing all that money sitting around doing me NOTHING.

Along with my LATD, GS Cult, and Pure Harlie armies........



Seriously, "Frag" You GW for squatting every cool army that I have ever spent time and money on.

jp400 wrote:The dirtiest trick that I know for Chaos...

Use a Loyalist Codex that better fits your "God" Specific army of old. You will have a harder hitting, more survivalable list then anything our current bland codex has to offer.

Thanks Gw!

The easiest chaos conversion in the world is to convert a Khorne themed army to fit the blood angels codex.

Let's face some facts chaos players can't deny.

There is a competitive 5th ed chaos build. Duel lash+Oblits+Plague marines is still a highly competitive army, so many other armies need a new codex based both on time since their last codex and their army not having a competitive 5th ed build.

5th ed chaos codex is so far away we might just see 6th ed 40k before we get a new codex, and I officially call dibs for chaos to get the first 6th ed codex

It sucks that our current codex only has a couple of builds that they player base widely regards as competitive builds, but the glass is half full.

We do still have a functional codex. It's not on top any more, but we sure as hell are not on the bottom.

Chaos is the easiest army to convert into space wolves, codex marines, or blood angels. Any competitive build that the other marines have chaos players can make with chaos models, and it will look better.

Salamanders=Iron warriors
Blood Angles=Khorne
Loganwing=Abbadon+Chaos terminators

Anything loyalist marines can do we can also do while looking better at doing it.

schadenfreude wrote:

Anything loyalist marines can do we can also do while looking better at doing it.

Well, except Dreads, the Chaos Dread model is still pretty lame. That said, I still own two of them to help my continuing "convert a Dread for each Chaos God and Undivided" plan.

Theoretically, you can spam more special weapons in a Chaos army than any other MEQ list.

I'm not sure how effective it would be, but you could run...

Heavy Support:

3x squads, Havocs, 4x Special weapons, Champ w/ Combi Weapon (5 SW's ea, 15 total)

Elites:

3x squads, Chosen, 5x Special weapons (5 SW's, 15 total)
or 3x squads, Terminators, 10 combi weapons (30 total)

Troops:

6x CSM or PMs, 2x Special weapons (12 total)

Fast Attack:

3x squads, Raptors, 2x Special weapons (6 total)


You could theoretically run over 60 Special Weapons in an all-infantry list.

you can spam all the special weapons you want but SoB can do that better.

schadenfreude wrote:

jp400 wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:Well the way i see it, i could play BA as Chaos marines... but then i'd actually be playing Count as CSM and realistically i'd be a blood angels player... my opinion? That is bullshittery!


if i play in a tournement i want to see

Alex-Chaos Marines (word Bearers)


NOT Alex-LOYALIST TWILIGHT MARINES


....grrrrrrr



besides if i buy the codex, then GW sales go up a liiiiitle bit for SM, whereas if i buy CSM then the sales will increase with that slightly, might by .000000001 help budge GW to make a legions book!

While this is very true in all aspects.... My 3k points of Pre-Hersey World Eaters that have been sitting on the shelf since the new codex came out (cause they now suck balls with the new codex rules) are begging for a new codex that puts the balls back into CSM.

That, and I'm very sick of haveing all that money sitting around doing me NOTHING.

Along with my LATD, GS Cult, and Pure Harlie armies........



Seriously, "Frag" You GW for squatting every cool army that I have ever spent time and money on.

jp400 wrote:The dirtiest trick that I know for Chaos...

Use a Loyalist Codex that better fits your "God" Specific army of old. You will have a harder hitting, more survivalable list then anything our current bland codex has to offer.

Thanks Gw!

The easiest chaos conversion in the world is to convert a Khorne themed army to fit the blood angels codex.

Let's face some facts chaos players can't deny.

There is a competitive 5th ed chaos build. Duel lash+Oblits+Plague marines is still a highly competitive army, so many other armies need a new codex based both on time since their last codex and their army not having a competitive 5th ed build.

5th ed chaos codex is so far away we might just see 6th ed 40k before we get a new codex, and I officially call dibs for chaos to get the first 6th ed codex

It sucks that our current codex only has a couple of builds that they player base widely regards as competitive builds, but the glass is half full.

We do still have a functional codex. It's not on top any more, but we sure as hell are not on the bottom.

Chaos is the easiest army to convert into space wolves, codex marines, or blood angels. Any competitive build that the other marines have chaos players can make with chaos models, and it will look better.

Salamanders=Iron warriors
Blood Angles=Khorne
Loganwing=Abbadon+Chaos terminators

Anything loyalist marines can do we can also do while looking better at doing it.

hmm... Im calling Blasphemy!!!


I play undivided and even with an undivided and a mix list CSM can still play well in tournements, especially in the right hands. and god damn man why does everyone think lash=OMGZ SOOO COMPETITIVE!!! it really is extremly situational, and when it does work well its not all that great, give me an undivided sorcerer, kharn, or a nurgle DP with wings and warptime ANY DAY. P.s every lash list i've ever played against got raped so bad the people couldn't walk for a week.

NuggzTheNinja wrote:Theoretically, you can spam more special weapons in a Chaos army than any other MEQ list.

I'm not sure how effective it would be, but you could run...

Heavy Support:

3x squads, Havocs, 4x Special weapons, Champ w/ Combi Weapon (5 SW's ea, 15 total)

Elites:

3x squads, Chosen, 5x Special weapons (5 SW's, 15 total)
or 3x squads, Terminators, 10 combi weapons (30 total)

Troops:

6x CSM or PMs, 2x Special weapons (12 total)

Fast Attack:

3x squads, Raptors, 2x Special weapons (6 total)


You could theoretically run over 60 Special Weapons in an all-infantry list.

This actucally gives one of the competitive CSM builds:

3 squads of Chosen in Rhinos with 4 special weapons each
3 squads of Havocs in Rhinos with 4 special weapons each
3-6 squads of CSM with 2 special weapons each.

Hhmmm Very interesting!

Slarg232 wrote:

Jihallah wrote:I'm surprised no one has mentioned 4 special weapons in a havoc squad. I've only done it twice, but both times my opponent raised an eyebrow and asked me to hand over my codex

Slarg232 wrote:Edit: And as for "Dirty Tricks", try this: Take a Havoc Squad, Equip 4 flamers, buy a champ/power weapon, and a MoK, and watch someone who thinks Havocs are "devastator equivalents". Their sorrow, tears, and pain are exquisite.

Ummm.....

I am blind! Ignore me!

Dirty Trick 101:

Lash of submission + a bag-o-greasy-chips.
Insert hands into bag-o-greasy-chips.
Use Lash and pass psychic test.
RAW, you get to handle the opponent's models.

Proceed to rub grease all over enemy models and ruin their models.

'Dirty' Trick accomplished