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first off some basic info: I play iron knights (space marines). The chapter is only referenced and shown in two places: codex space marines and cities of death. Here is the picture of the codex entry:


you see how he has a shoulder shield?
(yes)
good! see how this could be a pain in the *** to make?
(yes)
anyways stupid conversation aside I find it impossible to make said shields, and honestly I dont have the patients to attach said sheilds.

Equally I struggle with how to show sergeant rank if the helmets are all black.
but what it really comes down to is that I know I can not do what ever I want to, but that I struggle with the idea that I will have to change so much that it wont even be iron knights (i.e. not enough of the stuff that makes them different from other chapters)
does anyone else struggle with said thought or am I just being dumb?

thanks
thatirishguy

What about Terminators small sholuder shileds? i thought about adding them to my Rough Rider shoulders.

You could use the Shields from Terminator armour, pretty sure you can buy them separately from Bits sites.

I'm not familiar with the Chapter personally but does it say anywhere that all the halmets have to be black?

Edit: Ninja'd

I also might point out that if you look on the cities of death book everything seems absolutely beautiful and pristine. all the models have the iron knight symbol somewhere on them and it seems to be perfectly drawn and shaped. Actually now that I mention it I get more and more depressed and hopeless as I look at it. It seems to say hey you like the fluff as limited as it is, and you like the paint scheme, but guess what you will never paint the proper!

man I sound like a whining *****.

all comments appreciated-
thatirishguy

Have you checked to see if there's any Warhammer decals that match, or come close to that style of cross?
also check out http://www.fightingpirannhagraphics.com/misc.htm . they might have something close decal wise.

Well you can get blank transfer sheets and print out a heap of logos if you don't want to freehand them, sure it's a bit of extra work but if you want a more unique looking army then you gotta do what you gotta do.

no the terminator shoulder shields are to big and besides I really don't have the patients to attach them because if I do it would mean that I would have to paint squad marks and the iron knights symbol on each one.
even so that really wasn't the point of the post it was more of a do people feel OK with changing the fundamentals of there chapter in order to make it simpler...

thanks for the posts though, it was a good idea.

thatirishguy

That symbol is much easier to freehand than most other chapter symbols. Be happy for yourself. Really.

Use Terminator shoulder shields. They're about the right size. They lack the little hole, but that's semantics.

Here, I'll even link you: http://www.thewarstore.com/product27051.html

Just glue them on and paint.

Making sergeants is easy. Just give them bling. As long as they have some sort of "better" looking parts (or go helmet-less if that's your thing) it's really easy to tell that they're sergeants. Also, if you're playing Codex Marines, you can basically tell their status by their wargear.

Ninja'd. Sorry.

thatirishguy wrote:that really wasn't the point of the post it was more of a do people feel OK with changing the fundamentals of there chapter in order to make it simpler...

I have no problem with it, at the end of the day if they have the right paint scheme I can't say the lack of a shield would really matter.

Check Feebay also. there are tons of great bits deals.
i found this: http://www.fightingpirannhagraphics.com/decals/Heraldry05.htm

not sure if it would help.

you could also use a pinvise to drill a little hole in the shields if you want

Sergeant rank could be indicated with a white strip down the centre of the helmet.

I've made the shoulder shield things (sure those have a proper name) by cutting down old Empire and High Elf shields. You'd be cutting a square section from the upper corner of the larger shields, drilling a hole with a pin vice and then cutting into the hole to open it up.
It won't be exactly like the shield pictured, as it won't be angled down the middle, but it will be curved top to bottom.

I used a bunch of them on my 2002 GT army but I can't find any relevant pictures at the moment.

If they're plastic they'll glue to plastic with polystyrene cement and be solid as rock.


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Just read your update, not really sure why you're asking, no-ones not going to play you because your not interested enough in painting/modelling to put effort into your army.
If you have paint on them at all you're beating %70 of the gamers out there.

If your having trouble marking out Sargent's and don't want to kit out the whole army with the shoulder shields you could just use the shields to denote rank get some terminator ones I'm sure they will be fine in size, worst case scenario you can file the edges a little to trim them down and just put them on Sargent's and vets. Also a great way to denote vet's and Sargent's is laurels which are pretty easy to free hand to the side of helmets or shoulder pads. As for the chapter icon it's pretty straight forward to paint right on or you can get your self a fine tipped micro pen from most art and hobby stores and draw it right on there. On your main question though they are your marines you can paint and model them the way you want sure there are some people out there that demand every thing must be exactly the way you see it on the mini but you won't get that in 99% of cases especially a friendly game with friends or at your local store/club.

In short paint and model them the way you want them don't worry what any one else thinks just have fun with you models.

Grey Knights give you a piss ton of shoulder shields, I'm sure you can find those on Ebay or something.

It is "okay" to change the scheme of a chapter when it comes to color and their "look" as you can always add some sort of fluff to the existing fluff and have it all make sense.

However, if you choose an exotic chapter, and really want it to stand out, you have to go the extra mile. If you love the chapter, the look and the fluff, then do the extra work, take 20 minutes or so and glue those shields on. I love exotic chapters, and I would love to have them just be done so I can play them, but when its all said and done, I love that chapter even more after doing some badas$ conversion work.

Buy individual Grey Knight termie blisters. They come with around 5 shoudler shields each.

Iron knights are still codex, so will have red serge helms.

you could paint a white stripe on the sergeants helmet

Yeah, unfortunately if you want to make a unique chapter, you are gonna have to sack up and learn how to paint the insignia and make the little shields. If you don't have the patience for it, collect ultramarines.

PainTraina wrote:Yeah, unfortunately if you want to make a unique chapter, you are gonna have to sack up and learn how to paint the insignia and make the little shields. If you don't have the patience for it, collect ultramarines.

that's kinda harsh....

On topic - depending on your GS and general sculpting skill, you could always make one with the design raised (and hole drilled), then cast as many as you need... Painting is easier when it isn't freehand...

It's easy to do.

Get some 1mm thick plasticard, cut on the desired shape. Draw a vertical "guide line" on the center with a soft pencil or marker. With some sandpaper or needle file, file it on an angle like a sword's edge.

If you also want the opening on the side use a drill bit and then cut the side.

Now, for college once I did a 1/6 dude with a sword. I don't have it anymore, it suffered an "acciden" there after passing that class (I hated that sculpture, he was fugly) but my way to do thw sword's blade was actually:

- glue two pieces or 0.5mm thick plasticard.
- cut it on the desired shape
- filed on angle, using the separation line between the two sheets of plasticard as a guide

The last step can help you, so you can only file the small shield on angle until you reach the second layer of plasticard, being it your stop signal (may be cheaper than buying terminator bitz)

PainTraina wrote:Yeah, unfortunately if you want to make a unique chapter, you are gonna have to sack up and learn how to paint the insignia and make the little shields. If you don't have the patience for it, collect ultramarines.

Yeah, i agree with Stokleplinger, a bit harsh.

IIRC this chapter is one of the GW design teams, and is pictured extensively somewhere (the UK blogg I think) but I can't damn well remember where!

It may be worth emailing GW UK to see if they'll dig out some photos to give you an idea of how to do the shields, Sarg's etc

Try making the shields out of plastic card. Make the basic shape, and then use a whole punch to cut the circle part out.

As for doing the insignia, You could cut the design out of Plasticard, probably .2mm and the masking tape it to the shield/shoulderpads and paint through the gap. Then you have a stencil to do multiple insignias with out fail.

You would have spend a bit of time to get it perfect, but then you would save loads of time late because you have a stencil to use again and again.

Also you should try spicing up the design a bit throughout your force and have different Besagew shapes

To be honest, they are actually pretty easy to make from plasticard.
Simply cut one out and test-fit it.
Once you have the right size you can use it as a template for making more.
1mm or .5mm plasticard should work great for it.

For the cmall circles cut from them,you can use a 2mm pin-vice drill.

Wow, another Iron Knights player!

I myself started painting my AoBR Marines as Iron Knights and, too, stumbled over the problem of not having the little insignia shields. I pondered and thought about the problem and in the end, I just free-handed the chapter symbol on the left shoulder pad as with every other chapter. And you know what? I'm happy with it!

I would recommend not being so strict with fluff and looks. The Iron Knights are a chapter that almost nothing is written about - for all we know, only some of them even wear these shoulder shields! I'd go the same way with the Sergeant's helmet...just paint them somewhat differently from the normal helmets. I, personally, will probably go the codex way of painting them red, but no fluff text I've read about the Knights said directly "The Iron Knights Sergeants wear red helmets, everybody who does otherwise is executed for heresy." With chapters with so little background fluff, I really think it is okay to make up a little bit of your own.

I have done up a test fitting with one of the terminator shoulder shields on my commander riding a bike. I wanted to make his armor look like the jousting armor, and it did not look out of place with regards to size. I wouldn't want to do it for every marine in an army, but for a character or squad leader to have it would make them stand out just a little bit from the rest without being to hard to do. Depending on how you want to do up the chapter you could also put a personal heraldry on like the Grey Knights do, or stick with the cross.

This looks like it's a GW display case at GD, so may be the original Iron Knights army:







Got the pics from here: http://www.ifelix.net/gamingblog/?p=1320