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Hi i just recentlly started up skaven and this is what i have come up with for my first list with some tweaks.

Lords

Grey seer - 240
wizard hat - 100 (shadow)
-340

Warlord - 90
weeping blade - 30
banner of under empire - 25
dragon helm - 10
shield - 3
-158

Heros

warlock engineer-15
level 1 - 50
seed of rebirth - 10
scyring stone - 15
warrior bane - 5
charmed shield - 5
-100

warlock engineer - 15
level 2
warp musket - 15
ruby ring of ruin - 25
warp energy condencer - 20
luckstone - 5
-165

Core

20 clanrats - 80
spears - 10
shields - 10
warpfire thrower - 70
full command - 20
-190

20 clanrats - 80
spears - 10
shields - 10
full command - 20
-120

20 clanrats - 80
shields - 10
poisiond wind mortar - 65
full command - 20
-175

20 clanrats - 80
shields - 10
poisiond wind mortar - 65
full command - 20
-175

Special

4 rat ogers - 160
skweel gnawtooth - 100
master moulder - 25
electro whip - 15
warp musket - 15
master bread - 15
2 pack masters - 15 (these were upgraded to skweel and the master moulder)
-336

Rare

Hellpit - 235
warpstone spikes - 15

warp lightning cannon - 90
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1999

Please give me some suggestions on what to do with this.

Hi,

Tbh, you have way to many mages in there! There is nooo point giving the grey seer that rather fetching, but a little pointless, hat. This is because he is already lvl 4 and skaven get there own lore of magic.

All your casters now only cast off 1 power dice pool, so most of your magic will get wasted.

imho, I suggest you write a 1500 point list and play that. I presume youve got Island of blood, so your gunna need a few more rats to write a 2k list.

In 1500 points (if you choose to write 1) I would have 2 units of 25 clanrats and 1 unit of 30 (if youve only got 80 rats that is) . Take a chieftain Bsb, which allows you to re-roll failed ld tests ( a must in Skaven) and take a single caster (grey seer probs).

Hope this helps!

well I have this play line
W/ L/ D
8/ 0/ 0

never lost with this, but once it was tweaked abit.

each to their own I guess. Thats fine, just trying to help.

FYI wizards hat generates a random lore you don't choose

I too love running tons of mages and I also play a list that has a grey seer with a wizarding hat. The Spell Lores in the new rulebook are too juicy to pass up sometimes (it's ok that it's random they are all good) and can really boost the rats.

Um... Your Warlord isn't allowed to carry a magic banner.

Also I agree that you should boost the numbers of the clanrat units. 20 isn't enough.

And I don't think the Warpstone spikes are necessary for the HPA. You have enough magic users to dispel spells.

There are all sorts of things wrong with this list. Read your rulebook and army book.

For starters:
Wizard hat
Warlord being a BSB.
Magic banners and other magic items.
Multiple Arcane items.


I'm sure there are others. Like I said, read your book.

i think you can have multiple arcane items but not on the same dude and what's wrong with the wizard hat. i will swap the banner with pipes of piebald and what do you mean about magic banners and other magic items? thanks about the help. the Warpstone spikes were an extra points that I couldn't find the points to spend on.

Each model is only allowed to carry a single arcane item now, and arcane items can not be duplicated in the same list. Same goes* for magic weapons, magic armor, talismans and enchanted items.

* Special characters are sometimes exceptions, like Sniktch who has 3! weeping blades.

A BSB carrying a Magic Banner can not have other magic items as I recall. He can either have a magic banner or he can have up to 50 points of other magic goodies.

Warpstone Spikes aren't really worth it for an HPA. I don't believe that magic resistance increases regeneration saves (only works with Ward saves), and making his attacks magic is fairly pointless these days. Not to mention skaven tend to have a crapton of magic attacks. That's 15 points that could be spent on other stuff.

streamdragon wrote:Each model is only allowed to carry a single arcane item now, and arcane items can not be duplicated in the same list. Same goes* for magic weapons, magic armor, talismans and enchanted items.

* Special characters are sometimes exceptions, like Sniktch who has 3! weeping blades.

A BSB carrying a Magic Banner can not have other magic items as I recall. He can either have a magic banner or he can have up to 50 points of other magic goodies.

The skaven list actually has a bunch of exceptions to the only one of each rules, like you can have as many deathrunners with weeping blades as you like, and warlocks with augmented weapons.

Also I don't think you're allowed to post individual point values for things on Dakka and some of your point values seem off, take a second look at the cost of adding magic to warlock engineers.

Also you should really have a chieftan BSB skaven tend to be a lil' flighty.

blak43 wrote:
The skaven list actually has a bunch of exceptions to the only one of each rules, like you can have as many deathrunners with weeping blades as you like, and warlocks with augmented weapons.

Also I don't think you're allowed to post individual point values for things on Dakka and some of your point values seem off, take a second look at the cost of adding magic to warlock engineers.

Also you should really have a chieftan BSB skaven tend to be a lil' flighty.

True enough. I was mostly referring to Lord/Hero choices as they're the only ones who get access to the full list of categories.

Also multiple Engineers with Augmented weapons because they're under gear selections as opposed to "and X points of magic items".

As an aside, every time I think of a Warp-Augmented Weapon, I picture the old pre-KOTOR era lightsabers that Jedi used that had power packs on their belts...

Hm... warlock engineers w/ Skitterleap, Warlock Augmented Weapon, Warpstone Armor and Warp Energy Condensor... He can "Jump", has a lightsaber, and shoots lightning from his hands.. ALL HAIL DARTH SCABBICUS!

... I should really get some more sleep...

streamdragon wrote: Hm... warlock engineers w/ Skitterleap, Warlock Augmented Weapon, Warpstone Armor and Warp Energy Condensor... He can "Jump", has a lightsaber, and shoots lightning from his hands.. ALL HAIL DARTH SCABBICUS!

That would be an AMAZING conversion. Or at least drawing. I may need to get to work on that, and soon.

As for the list, I'm gonna go along with everyone here and say you'll be a lot better off with a Chieftan BSB. Can a Warlord even carry a magic banner? Don't have my dex on me so I can't check atm.

And again, you can't pick your magic lore with the wizarding hat.

Not only that, unless there's some errata, your Level 4 Grey Seer becomes a Level 2 Wizard. Ouchie.

And only a Chieftan can be the BSB, warlords can't.

Speaking of warlock augmented weapons I actually modeled my IOB warlord with his halberd looking like a power weapon, based black with green lightning crawling over the surface, seems to me like the skaven should have been the first ones with that sort of technology anyway.

thanks for the help but for one piece i need to pick up on. it says in the book he has an extra lvl 2 lore. i found out about not being to chose the hat's spell in the same day as i made the list since i went off to games workshop and found out, owell for that,

I will use a cheiftan and should i take the banner my warlord is taking and take it off the warlord so he dosen't carry a banner. he will cost a hefty 95pnt even before i put on upgrades. is that ok?

and finally where have i duplicated arcane objects because if i remeber rightly you can have 1 per lord/character and thats it, apart from that its fine.

Thanks for helping me out on the spikes for the HPA but i had nothing to spend it on that was worth it. i was at my limit at mostly everything else and if i wasn't at the limit i had no more modles!

Thanks again