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Hey guys Disdainful built the new DE minis from the black box and posted them on CNC. I think he may plan on posting them here too but I wanted to make sure everyone got a good first look at them! Check it out, he reviewed the construction process as well, they look awesome I can't wait.

Capture and Control: Dark Eldar Preview/Review Part 1 - Kabalite Warriors and Reavers

Yikes. That sounds not very fun with the whole ''gun 1 ONLY goes with arms 1''...

A Black Ram wrote:Yikes. That sounds not very fun with the whole ''gun 1 ONLY goes with arms 1''...

Agreed. It's a trend I've been noticing more and more with GW, and I find it defeats the main purpose of plastic models. If it's still going to be a pain to custom pose our minis, I think that's a huge value loss.

Anyway, very nice review.

while I have to agree that it kinda sucks to be stuck with a handful of poses, we're the hobby community, for cryin' out loud! When we want an alternate pose, we make an alternate pose.

That being said, methinks I'm getting one of those bikes for my fledgeling comission painting service, to act as part of my portfolio.

Commander Endova wrote:

A Black Ram wrote:Yikes. That sounds not very fun with the whole ''gun 1 ONLY goes with arms 1''...

Agreed. It's a trend I've been noticing more and more with GW, and I find it defeats the main purpose of plastic models. If it's still going to be a pain to custom pose our minis, I think that's a huge value loss.

I noticed this too. The most recent thing i can think of is the IoB models, where spear A had to go onto body A. Plastic models are supposed to be easy to pose, customise and convert. Hopefully this wont keep happening

Eldar Own wrote:

Commander Endova wrote:

A Black Ram wrote:Yikes. That sounds not very fun with the whole ''gun 1 ONLY goes with arms 1''...

Agreed. It's a trend I've been noticing more and more with GW, and I find it defeats the main purpose of plastic models. If it's still going to be a pain to custom pose our minis, I think that's a huge value loss.

I noticed this too. The most recent thing i can think of is the IoB models, where spear A had to go onto body A. Plastic models are supposed to be easy to pose, customise and convert. Hopefully this wont keep happening

Wait, they did?

Huh, no wonder those didn't go together easily.

I wish the review had given some more info on what weapons were included on the Warrior sprue is all. How many of the damn thing do I need to buy to make one squad of Trueborn the way I want it, lol.

Eldar Own wrote:I noticed this too. The most recent thing i can think of is the IoB models, where spear A had to go onto body A. Plastic models are supposed to be easy to pose, customise and convert. Hopefully this wont keep happening

Didn't they say this was the direction they wanted to go in - making the plastic kits more straight forward? They've done this in the current skaven and chaos fantasy regiments which both had more more parts in their previous releases.

When they started releasing the multipart plastic regiment boxes they got ever more complex. The first of what I think of as the the more modern multipart plastics were fantasy chaos warriors and then skeletons, but later they did stuff like Empire, and for 40K Eldar guardians and the rest. They got ever more complicated until they released the Skaven regiment which was insane, each one had seperate legs, arms head and tail and that's before optional bits and the shield. And they were tiny. They were worth the effort, but they were a lot of work. They've since re-released the skaven regiments and taken a somewhat backward step in making them less optional with fewer parts to create each figure. It looks like a fairly deliberate choice to me.

I love that. We want plastic models because they're easier to convert but when we get plastic models we complain that they aren't in enough variety right out of the box and we have to convert them.
Jesus.

Everything warriors can be equipped with are on the sprue. Arm swaps aren't all doom and gloom. I am putting it all together now for my store. Only thing missing is the upgraded close combat weapon for the reaver sprue. If you want an agonizer, vibro-sword or other special; you have to get it from warrior sprue or eBay it.

New Skaven Clanrats models are IMO a pretty good compromise between complicated multipart sets which took forever (and ended up looking pretty much the same anyway) and the plastic single pose lookalike clanrat models from the old days (which didn't even rank up!). The new set has 20 individual models each with their own character which is sufficient to create regiments which looked mixed.

I'm finding with the Ungor sprues at the moment that a mix of heads is enough to create individuality from 10 standard bodies.

There are specific limitations inherent in any type of mould making, so in order to get certain shapes out of plastic they literally have to chop the models up into a certain amount of pieces. This is especially true with something like the Reaver Jetbikes.


As for each model only having one way to assemble it, again it is a trade-off. You can either get a more generic, basic design for the models that allows a much wider range of potential limb placement, or you can get models that are only able to be posed one way out of the box but that pose is much more dynamic and exciting.

Personally all I have to do is look at the DE models to realize which choice is superior. I'll take the awesome looking poses, please! If it really bothers me that each unit has the same set of poses then I'll take the time to do some simple conversions, which is exactly what plastic modes allows you to do!

I'll just take all the female modeling parts thank you.

On the subject of arm a/gun a....do remember that the kits themselves are interchangable. This alone adds a great deal of potential variety, as it is a reasonable assumption that most people looking for added variety (due to finding certain poses repetitive) should have a few spares, odds and sods kicking around by then to aid in that.

yakface wrote:Personally all I have to do is look at the DE models to realize which choice is superior. I'll take the awesome looking poses, please! If it really bothers me that each unit has the same set of poses then I'll take the time to do some simple conversions, which is exactly what plastic modes allows you to do!

But is this actually the case?

What the review says is that weapon 1 goes with arms 1. It doesn't say that the weapon 1 + arms 1 also only go on body 1.

If you can put weapon/arms 1 on body 2, for example (if the bodies are numbered too, that is), then that would increase the number of poses significantly. If it's really only 10 different poses from each kit, then meh, but looking at the sprue at the GW site it seems that we are free to swap sets of arms and different bodies as we please.

yakface wrote:

Personally all I have to do is look at the DE models to realize which choice is superior. I'll take the awesome looking poses, please! If it really bothers me that each unit has the same set of poses then I'll take the time to do some simple conversions, which is exactly what plastic modes allows you to do!

That's very true. The old models where very static and 2 dimensional. I have to say I love the look they went for with the "evil Eldar Guardian" vibe. It works much better and the faces look so much nicer as well.

You really can't win trying to cater for such a diverse customer base. Make everything fully customisable, and you get complaints of excessive complexity; reduce the number of components for easier fit and quicker assembly, and you get complaints about lack of customisation. The fact that some arms/weapons have to be used together hardly 'defeats the purpose' of plastic models. Even the 2-piece plastic AoBR models are easier to customise than metal models.

The reviewer in the linked article may have slightly missed the point with the Warrior poses. They are almost certainly less dynamic by design, so as to better differentiate the Warriors from the Wyches (those leg poses are also very characteristic of Jes Goodwin's work). Also, you will presumably be able to use Wych legs if you want your Warriors to look as though they're moving quickly. That's the beauty of designing several sets of models at the same time. Looking at the WiP photos (as distinct from reading the review) just makes me want to get some of these models and see what can be done with them.

I really don't care, I'm just glad that there are models and that they look awesome.

I am already in love with the ball and socket flying stands. I wonder if they will sell those as bits.

"...but on the other hand I was hoping for more than ten guys in static, “knees slightly bent” standing poses with the odd set of “tentative step forward” legs and two “massive one-legged crouch” sets "


Why? don´t be so picky, mate. Practically ALL the 40k humanoid core troops are like that.

An interesting read anyways.

Got myself down to my FLGS the other day, and was given the nice treat of being able to hold one of the reavers up close. Very impressed by the level of detail, and the hair being whipped back really does give it the appearance of motion. I think the warriors arn't that bad TBH - enough variation for those no good at customisation, but still those skilled amongst us able to do so can find a way to make them different.

On the topic of model look and feel - whats people's opinions on Incubi/Archons?
The Incubi/Archons some people claim look too fantasy with the horns. Maybe a conversion job on the helmets, or even different heads altogether?





I'm not sure if you could file back the horns and still make them look good...probably better to go with a new helmet or just helmetless and take a head from any number of other models.

I personally prefer this archon model - lucky the archon comes with both options in the box.

What really cracks me up about the Incubi helmets are the spiky ears, not the horns (which, apart from being a bit ugly are not so out of place). I mean, sculpted ears over the real ears? what´s the point? Yeah, you are eldar, we get it.

Wiglaf wrote:What really cracks me up about the Incubi helmets are the spiky ears, not the horns (which, apart from being a bit ugly are not so out of place). I mean, sculpted ears over the real ears? what´s the point? Yeah, you are eldar, we get it.

So that they don't get confused with other masked figures on the battlefield:

White Mask with pointy ears and no smile = Incubi

Whie Mask with pointy ears and smile = Harlequin

White Mask with black armor and no ears or smile = Space Marine Chaplain

This reminds me of the new Reaver canopies...

warpcrafter wrote:I am already in love with the ball and socket flying stands. I wonder if they will sell those as bits.

The socket part of the joint is actually built into the model itself so bits buying the two parts won't help you that much with converting them for other bikes unless you want to use the Reaver bike as a basis for your conversion.

Scottywan82 wrote:How many of the damn thing do I need to buy to make one squad of Trueborn the way I want it, lol.

I'd say 4 boxes of warriors, only 1 of each special or upgrade weapon on the sprues from what I can see of the pics off the GW website. However, that's not taking into consideration making some GS molds to get the extra weapons needed.

I totally agree that the warriors probably needed to be a little more static in their posing to contrast the Wyches (who are all running and leaping and so on); I had this conversation at length with a friend in the store who is very sharp when it comes to modeling and has a keen eye for poses. I guess I was just not suitably 'wowed' by the minis, and the fiddly construction process didn't help. As stated in the review, they serve as basic troopers just fine, nothing more. I haven't seen the Wyche box yet, so I can't speak to their interchangeability, but if it really was Jes working on these basically by himself then we can expect them to all be fully integrated.

Based on the first looks at the codex, I don't see a lot of Warrior-based armies making the cut, so it may not matter. I'm just waiting for Hellions and Mandrakes!
-Dis.

The incubi are nice, but the horns are just a terrible excuse for chaos elves.

Rymafyr wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:How many of the damn thing do I need to buy to make one squad of Trueborn the way I want it, lol.

I'd say 4 boxes of warriors, only 1 of each special or upgrade weapon on the sprues from what I can see of the pics off the GW website. However, that's not taking into consideration making some GS molds to get the extra weapons needed.

How does one make a GS mold? Any links on that?

Oh come on the majority of the figures are plastic so its really easy to construct the poses you want just plan it first before you cut anything.

Scottywan82 wrote:

Rymafyr wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:How many of the damn thing do I need to buy to make one squad of Trueborn the way I want it, lol.

I'd say 4 boxes of warriors, only 1 of each special or upgrade weapon on the sprues from what I can see of the pics off the GW website. However, that's not taking into consideration making some GS molds to get the extra weapons needed.

How does one make a GS mold? Any links on that?

There is an article about GS press molds on the Capture and Control site on the "Hobby" page.