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2018/02/21 08:09:07
Subject: Re:Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
Pacific wrote: Really liked the old bit of Mark Gibson artwork for Mad Donna - if the name wasn't clue enough, you can see where the influence came from!
That's a 28 year old reference though. I won't be upset if most off the players these days don't know who Jean Paul Gauthier or Madonna are.
Also, I doubt if today's GW sculptors could do that in 30(2)mm.
Gree wrote: Does anybody know if the Orlock heads fit well on the Cadian bodies? I'm thinking of picking up a box for some conversion work.
Interviews a few months back said that the Orlock kit was meant to be compatible with the Genestealer Cult upgrade kit. As the GSC kit was originally designed for the Cadian Shock Troopers then the Orlock heads should also be a match.
I haven't tried this personally though or seen anyone else comment on how well they actually do go together.
2018/02/21 22:14:18
Subject: Re:Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
Gang War 2 doesn't just allow you to hire mercenaries for your gang – you'll also be able to add a range of non-combat staff to your roster, providing invaluable benefits in your next campaign.
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2018/02/22 04:39:03
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
Gang War 2 doesn't just allow you to hire mercenaries for your gang – you'll also be able to add a range of non-combat staff to your roster, providing invaluable benefits in your next campaign.
I like this idea! Add some interesting choices to the game.
2018/02/22 20:36:05
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
MajorTom11 wrote: I'm on both sides of the fence here on this line of argument...
1.) 2 factions on release and for prolonged periods in a list building game does indeed make for a tough go. 3-4 seems more of an ideal amount, and considering just how constrained the needs are for Necromunda in terms of the limited models needed, it would have made better sense. I don't think the game killed itself by any means though, that goes a bit too far for me. But otherwise a valid observation as far as a gamer perspective goes.
2.) As a collector/painter more than a player, I have actually been very relieved that the release was limited with the promise of a steady pace of releases. I can actually get this stuff painted in time before the new shiny comes out, leaving me with a shelf of fully painted game, not a closet full of impulse purchased models that quickly overwhelm the ability to keep up. I have bought all N17 models and releases thus far. Never managed that before for any other game. And, on top of it, this stuff is actually getting painted. From a collector/painter perspective, the pace of release is pretty damn good.
Now, this says nothing about the rules issue, which are aggravating but not game-ruining for most imho. But overall, have been pretty happy with my N17 experience.
Yeah, I'm mostly with you here. I can deal with a slower, deliberate release. But I think three would have been the magic number at release. Hey, Terrans, Zerg and Protoss were plenty of choice, right? It just feels a lot better than a binary decision, and I think it would have ensnared more new players.
MajorTom11 wrote: I'm on both sides of the fence here on this line of argument...
1.) 2 factions on release and for prolonged periods in a list building game does indeed make for a tough go. 3-4 seems more of an ideal amount, and considering just how constrained the needs are for Necromunda in terms of the limited models needed, it would have made better sense. I don't think the game killed itself by any means though, that goes a bit too far for me. But otherwise a valid observation as far as a gamer perspective goes.
2.) As a collector/painter more than a player, I have actually been very relieved that the release was limited with the promise of a steady pace of releases. I can actually get this stuff painted in time before the new shiny comes out, leaving me with a shelf of fully painted game, not a closet full of impulse purchased models that quickly overwhelm the ability to keep up. I have bought all N17 models and releases thus far. Never managed that before for any other game. And, on top of it, this stuff is actually getting painted. From a collector/painter perspective, the pace of release is pretty damn good.
Now, this says nothing about the rules issue, which are aggravating but not game-ruining for most imho. But overall, have been pretty happy with my N17 experience.
Yeah, I'm mostly with you here. I can deal with a slower, deliberate release. But I think three would have been the magic number at release. Hey, Terrans, Zerg and Protoss were plenty of choice, right? It just feels a lot better than a binary decision, and I think it would have ensnared more new players.
Agree. 3 would have been good... that being said, we are what, 3 months in and there will be 4 gangs out now, so honestly all things considered the pace is solid. I just want from no gangs painted to 3 in the space of a month too, my GSC will finally get used for something other than cabinet decoration .
zamerion wrote:This month rules for cult genestealer in the WD!
Thanks to Heimmenrich
This is awesome, it's a touch late for maximum impact, but I love that they are on this.
Holy gak though, honestly since GW2 came the tone turned the wrong way HARD in the groups and forums I follow. Went from everyone pretty happy to everyone gakking on the game and GW, it's almost like it is suddenly 2012 GW fanbase in Necromunda world now... Wow. GW better release a faq real damn quick, this is not a good PR moment for them.
Well I think a lot of folk thought that the issues with GW1 were a fluke and GW2 would both fix them and be a better product, then it turned out it was just as badly proofread as the first book and even carried over several mistakes or examples of poor wording wholesale.
GW bought a whole lot of goodwill with nostalgiabucks, but they then immediately burned a lot of it with the two-gang launch and book-per-gang business model, seemingly for a lot of folk GW2 also being shonky and haphazard ate right through whatever good feelings they had left.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2018/02/22 23:55:47
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
Yodhrin wrote: Well I think a lot of folk thought that the issues with GW1 were a fluke and GW2 would both fix them and be a better product, then it turned out it was just as badly proofread as the first book and even carried over several mistakes or examples of poor wording wholesale.
GW bought a whole lot of goodwill with nostalgiabucks, but they then immediately burned a lot of it with the two-gang launch and book-per-gang business model, seemingly for a lot of folk GW2 also being shonky and haphazard ate right through whatever good feelings they had left.
im getting the feeling that the Munda team is ether understaffed or are being force pushed by the bean counter. i guessing it might be because of some other up coming specialist game.
They better do something, and quick. I don't think I have seen a reaction turn from so glowing to so pissed this quickly before. N17 had a great launch from what I can tell, but the impression these books are giving is not good at all. I think everyone would have been a lot more tolerant of the obvious cash-grab business model if it wasn't for these glaring, lazy rule errors.
Most people I have seen admit the problems don't impact any but the hardcore campaign players much, but people seem to be pissed at the principal if nothing else. Fortunately, we have a lot of great people here and in a few other spots helping fix the rules for now until they do something more... comprehensive. I think it would be financial suicide to release GW3 with the same issues...
Despite all that, the overall price to play is still pretty good to me though, although, it could have been way better without the expensive boards and books to force you to shell out.
MajorTom11 wrote: They better do something, and quick. I don't think I have seen a reaction turn from so glowing to so pissed this quickly before. N17 had a great launch from what I can tell, but the impression these books are giving is not good at all. I think everyone would have been a lot more tolerant of the obvious cash-grab business model if it wasn't for these glaring, lazy rule errors.
Most people I have seen admit the problems don't impact any but the hardcore campaign players much, but people seem to be pissed at the principal if nothing else. Fortunately, we have a lot of great people here and in a few other spots helping fix the rules for now until they do something more... comprehensive. I think it would be financial suicide to release GW3 with the same issues...
Despite all that, the overall price to play is still pretty good to me though, although, it could have been way better without the expensive boards and books to force you to shell out.
The part that I don't get about people being so pissy over is that since day one, GW made it clear we were getting a "Compilation" book like Blood Bowl got.
Why would any individuals be buying the books piecemeal when it could be considered a league/club cost instead?
2018/02/23 00:16:01
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
The part that I don't get about people being so pissy over is that since day one, GW made it clear we were getting a "Compilation" book like Blood Bowl got.
Honest question: Is it possible to play Blood Bowl without the box set? Bonus question: Will it be possible to play Necromunda without the box set?
2018/02/23 00:22:53
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
The part that I don't get about people being so pissy over is that since day one, GW made it clear we were getting a "Compilation" book like Blood Bowl got.
Honest question: Is it possible to play Blood Bowl without the box set? Bonus question: Will it be possible to play Necromunda without the box set?
I legitimately couldn't answer it on Blood Bowl. I have the box, but the follow-on teams IIRC were either in the main rules or the first Deathzone book.
In any regards, I was more addressing the fact that people have been complaining about "needing" to buy the books for each release. Why? Is it so necessary to play the newest and shiniest things right off the bat?
2018/02/23 00:48:18
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
In any regards, I was more addressing the fact that people have been complaining about "needing" to buy the books for each release. Why? Is it so necessary to play the newest and shiniest things right off the bat?
And I'm wondering if we can eventually be able to play Necronmunda without buying an expensive box set. If GW made BB rules available in a compilation then maybe Necro might be the same?
In the meantime I'll collect expensive resin models for the RPG.
2018/02/23 01:07:35
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
AFAIK the Blood Bowl anthology book does not include the core rules from the boxed set, but they did eventually begin selling the rulebook on its own though only digitally.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2018/02/23 01:40:48
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
Newcromunda is a fantastic game that is being held back by sloppily produced expansion books. The content is great, it's just not up to the standard we should expect. The missing or contradictory rules, the fact that there are tons of new weapons in GW2 that we cannot purchase yet*, the nonsensical Hired Gun rules (why do they exist again)... it's just poor form.
I want to keep playing it, but they need to tighten things up a bit (and release those FW weapon packs!).
*"But Gang War 3!" someone cries again. Having the prices/rarity will be great, but that's 3 months away.
@Kan, unless I am mistaken, if you want to play something other than Escher and Goliath, you need the books. If you want access to other weapons, you need the books. If you want access to new rules, scenarios and characters, you need the book.
It's kinda like DLC in a lot of games, sure, you don't have to buy it, but the DLC is actually filling out the fundamentals of the game as well as providing new story content and weapons. If you don't buy it, you will be locked out of the best version of the game and left behind.
Alternately, if you are simply enthused and excited about the product, you keep buying in. Killing that enthusiasm in such a sloppy, bad-optics way is a big mistake for GW, and 'face-palm so hard it hurts' for the fans by the sound of it. Snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory and all that.
The part that I don't get about people being so pissy over is that since day one, GW made it clear we were getting a "Compilation" book like Blood Bowl got.
Honest question: Is it possible to play Blood Bowl without the box set? Bonus question: Will it be possible to play Necromunda without the box set?
Yes to both.
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MajorTom11 wrote: @Kan, unless I am mistaken, if you want to play something other than Escher and Goliath, you need the books. If you want access to other weapons, you need the books. If you want access to new rules, scenarios and characters, you need the book.
It's kinda like DLC in a lot of games, sure, you don't have to buy it, but the DLC is actually filling out the fundamentals of the game as well as providing new story content and weapons. If you don't buy it, you will be locked out of the best version of the game and left behind.
Alternately, if you are simply enthused and excited about the product, you keep buying in. Killing that enthusiasm in such a sloppy, bad-optics way is a big mistake for GW, and 'face-palm so hard it hurts' for the fans by the sound of it. Snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory and all that.
Legacy rules are available for the old gangs, the other rules sets are out there still in circulation. Honestly, if they want to step it up, they should release content on the website and knock off the money grab with the half hearted attempts with the additional books, unless there was something serious, such as the WD rules releases for the next couple of months of White dwarf content included.... Proofreading something for that cost should not even be an issue...
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2018/02/23 06:20:18
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
It's not really possible to play either Blood Bowl or Necromunda with the box set rules book. Both rule books only cover a very limited version. Well, you can play a simplified version of the games with the box sets, but certainly not anything close to the previous versions of both games.
Both rule books are so tied in with the other contents of the box sets so they can't really be released as a stand-alone product. They would both require heavy editing first, something GW so far has not been willing to do.
Legacy rules are available for the old gangs, the other rules sets are out there still in circulation.
Neither rule books are really compatible with the legacy pdfs for old gangs/teams. The Necromunda Gangs of Legends pdf is made for the Gang War system, not the Underhive Rule Book system. With Blood Bowl, the Teams of Legend pdf belongs to the 'full version', not the limited version of the rule book.
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2018/02/23 06:46:54
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
The part that I don't get about people being so pissy over is that since day one, GW made it clear we were getting a "Compilation" book like Blood Bowl got.
Honest question: Is it possible to play Blood Bowl without the box set?
No. You can get the rulebook via the digital app, and you can buy pitches and dice separately, but you can't get the throwing range ruler or the special play cards outside the box set.
Bonus question: Will it be possible to play Necromunda without the box set?
Not at present, as you can't get the rulebook any other way. Or the templates.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And on last night's Warhammer TV feed, playing Necromunda as a one-off skirmish game - choosing a gang the same way you choose an army for 40k and paying the "points" cost appropriately - was mentioned as a perfectly valid mode of play. That means buying nothing but Necromunda Underhive and playing that is a perfectly acceptable way to do things.
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2018/02/23 09:57:24
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
AndrewGPaul wrote: And on last night's Warhammer TV feed, playing Necromunda as a one-off skirmish game - choosing a gang the same way you choose an army for 40k and paying the "points" cost appropriately - was mentioned as a perfectly valid mode of play. That means buying nothing but Necromunda Underhive and playing that is a perfectly acceptable way to do things.
Sure, buying Burning of Prospero and only using it as a self-contained board game is also perfectly valid, although GW know damn well that people who do that are a tiny minority.
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2018/02/23 09:59:51
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
And on last night's Warhammer TV feed, playing Necromunda as a one-off skirmish game - choosing a gang the same way you choose an army for 40k and paying the "points" cost appropriately - was mentioned as a perfectly valid mode of play. That means buying nothing but Necromunda Underhive and playing that is a perfectly acceptable way to do things.
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Donc pour vous repondre:
- les règles sont sur 5 pages et contiennent les règles de composition, campagnes (revenus et territoires, capture denos hommes, expérience, actions après batailles), de compétences accessibles, les aptitudes spécifiques de l'adepte, la liste en elle même avec coût en crédit et enfin la liste des équipements (génériques et spécifique à la faction).
- la liste comprend un adepte qui sera le leader (est un psyker), 0-2 hybrides acolytes, 0-2 aberrants (qui sont des grosses brutes) et en Gangers basique des hybrides néophytes.
- les gangs du culte ont accès au laser minier, bioknout, épée d'os, combinaison NBC etc...
-Honnêtement je suis super content de voir ce style d'articles dans leWD ! Ça me rappel le très vieux format quand mordheim était encore parmi nous !
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- the rules are on 5 pages and contain the rules of composition, campaigns (income and territories, capture of our men, experience, actions after battles), accessible skills, specific skills of the adept, the list in itself with cost in credit and finally the list of equipment (generic and specific to the faction).
- the list includes a follower who will be the leader (is a psyker), 0-2 hybrid acolytes, 0-2 aberrant (who are big brutes) and basic Gangers neophyte hybrids.
- cult gangs have access to mining laser, bioknout, bone sword, NBC combination etc ...
-Honly I'm really happy to see this style of articles in the WD! It reminds me of the very old format when mordheim was still here!
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2018/02/23 11:01:30
Subject: Necromunda Underhive - Made to Order Kal and Mad Donna page 106
AndrewGPaul wrote: And on last night's Warhammer TV feed, playing Necromunda as a one-off skirmish game - choosing a gang the same way you choose an army for 40k and paying the "points" cost appropriately - was mentioned as a perfectly valid mode of play. That means buying nothing but Necromunda Underhive and playing that is a perfectly acceptable way to do things.
Sure, buying Burning of Prospero and only using it as a self-contained board game is also perfectly valid, although GW know damn well that people who do that are a tiny minority.
So? "a minority" is different from claiming "it can't ever be done". Neither Andy Hoare nor myself ever claimed that it's the way to play, just a way to play. There's at least one person on Dakka who intends to do that, for one thing.
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