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May or may not let's say PM squad fire it's flamer templates from within Rhino, using hatch?
Me and my friend have a conflict revolving around this issue. He reads codex by what's written, RAW, and by RAW it's not entirely clear. Obviously, by codex, template may only touch the base of the shooter, and cannot touch friendly models bases. But in my opinion, in this circumstance, squad of plague marines and rhino - same unit, hence even if template firing from hatch does touch Rhino - it's the same model of the same unit.
What we decided, is to post this question on a related forum, and get an answwer that is going to settle our conflict.

Please, help us.

Torgrimm wrote:May or may not let's say PM squad fire it's flamer templates from within Rhino, using hatch?
Me and my friend have a conflict revolving around this issue. He reads codex by what's written, RAW, and by RAW it's not entirely clear. Obviously, by codex, template may only touch the base of the shooter, and cannot touch friendly models bases. But in my opinion, in this circumstance, squad of plague marines and rhino - same unit, hence even if template firing from hatch does touch Rhino - it's the same model of the same unit.
What we decided, is to post this question on a related forum, and get an answwer that is going to settle our conflict.

Please, help us.

RaW it is completely clear, you cannot fire a Flamer from a Rhinos fire point.

How most people play it, however, is that you can.

It's pretty clear RaW. RaW, you cannot fire the flamer without touching part of the rhino, as you must fire from the hatch. Regardless of whether the rhino is the same model or not, it is still a friendly model.

Yay RaW...

Gwar beat me to it.

Flamer weapons from the tip of the flamer on sponsons on other vehicles are fair game, though, even RaW.

Keep in mind most people will allow you to do it, because at the end of the day, unless you're at a strict tourney, the game is about fun.

thanks to the awesomeness of gaming with a lawyer If your really read the rules. by RAW technically you can't fire flamers at all. As when firing any template weapon you have to place it so it is touching the base of the model firing the flamer, but your not allowed to have any part of the template touching any friendly models, which would include the modal firing the gun. Page 29. Read it slowly it's pretty stupid.

Same situation happens with SoB Immolators, Razorbacks with H-Flamer, and chimeras with H-Flamer on the turret. I could buy those guns and never be able to use them, as the turret is centered on the tank and you fire Vehicle mounted weapons from the tip of the gun which just so happens to be over the tanks hull....Almost Positive that's not what they intended

So in effort to counter act GW's slight miscalculation in their own wording making any template weapon except the Inferno cannon being impossible to use, My gaming group just goes with it touches the base of the modal / tip of the tank gun / fire point And I know this doesn't help with a tourny but 5 ed was supposed to be a fun edition so we need to