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Boringstuff wrote: I still don't understand why IW didn't get (haven't yet got) a legion specific breacher or destroyer squad - as that would suit them perfectly.
Infantry heavy weapons just doesn't fit with the whole siege-warfare thing they have going IMO.
Because IW are the red-headed stepchild of the Horus Heresy line - they don't even have an unique Praetor.
Honestly I don't much mind. Most special units feel like tiny snowflakes.
Boringstuff wrote: I still don't understand why IW didn't get (haven't yet got) a legion specific breacher or destroyer squad - as that would suit them perfectly.
Infantry heavy weapons just doesn't fit with the whole siege-warfare thing they have going IMO.
Are you talking about Iron Havocs, the Heavy weapons unit trained to pinpoint weaknesses in enemy fortifications and vehicles?
Or the Tyrant Siege, the heavily armoured Terminator breacher unit with missile launchers for that added bit of killing power?
Destroyers don't breach walls, they're much more a last resort weapon and if the IW got a breacher unit they'd just be too similar to both the Imperial Fists and Iron Hands. A siege isn't only about breaching units, you need to have the long-range firepower as well which is where the Iron Havocs and Ironfire Rite of War come in.
Boringstuff wrote: I still don't understand why IW didn't get (haven't yet got) a legion specific breacher or destroyer squad - as that would suit them perfectly.
Infantry heavy weapons just doesn't fit with the whole siege-warfare thing they have going IMO.
Because IW are the red-headed stepchild of the Horus Heresy line - they don't even have an unique Praetor.
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Boringstuff wrote: I still don't understand why IW didn't get (haven't yet got) a legion specific breacher or destroyer squad - as that would suit them perfectly.
Infantry heavy weapons just doesn't fit with the whole siege-warfare thing they have going IMO.
Are you talking about Iron Havocs, the Heavy weapons unit trained to pinpoint weaknesses in enemy fortifications and vehicles?
Or the Tyrant Siege, the heavily armoured Terminator breacher unit with missile launchers for that added bit of killing power?
Destroyers don't breach walls, they're much more a last resort weapon and if the IW got a breacher unit they'd just be too similar to both the Imperial Fists and Iron Hands. A siege isn't only about breaching units, you need to have the long-range firepower as well which is where the Iron Havocs and Ironfire Rite of War come in.
Yes, but infantry mounted weapons will always be weaker/shorter ranged than non-infantry weapons. Infantry is also easier to destory in seige scenarios due to the shorter range.
Sure I think the rapier weapons are fitting for seige stuff as they are small enough to be manueaverable, but able to mount heavier weapons.
As for the Tyrants, I just wish they made them carrying some kind of two-handed heavy weapon (i.e. near rapier grade) rather than back-mounted missile launchers (which is hardly unique in 30k/40k).
Sometimes I wonder if using DG rules for the chem flamers would be a better fluff choice then running IW rules.
GaroRobe wrote: Whose idea was it to give the helmetless version a mohawk????
It just looks bizarre. I’m not a fan of the new guy. The first praetor, in the Sons of Horus colours looks awesome to me, but this is a bit of let down.
This is by far, the absolute shittiest pose i've ever seen on a Marine. He's squatting like he's taking a dump, his gun awkwardly at his side, but also pointing his sword straight at the sky, and looking at nothing in particular.
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I don’t like either of the head options or the “hands up if you’ve got a sword!” pose. However, if you swap out the head and give him a different right arm, the ready of the mini looks pretty good.
Just like the other guy was clearly designed as a Son of Horus, this fella definitely leans perhaps too heavily into being an Imperial Fist. The mohawk belongs on a White Scar though, the gold detail even looks like a flipped horse head.
I do quite like it, actually, but I can see a headswap being almost mandatory for other people
I'm planning on doing a headswap and possibly a different right arm, because my god that "holding the sword aloft" pose he has right now is awkward looking.
Tim the Biovore wrote: Just like the other guy was clearly designed as a Son of Horus, this fella definitely leans perhaps too heavily into being an Imperial Fist. The mohawk belongs on a White Scar though, the gold detail even looks like a flipped horse head.
I do quite like it, actually, but I can see a headswap being almost mandatory for other people
I see what you’re saying. It makes me wonder if the brief was to design a generic loyalist praetor and a generic traitor praetor.
Not quite sure about the 'First Prime' of Rogal Dorn, but the helmet option is... fine. The beaky helmet seems a little small on this much larger armor, and quite overwhelmed by the crest.
Not seeing a lot of options beyond headswap, and side by side the two are just ok.
Tim the Biovore wrote: Just like the other guy was clearly designed as a Son of Horus, this fella definitely leans perhaps too heavily into being an Imperial Fist. The mohawk belongs on a White Scar though, the gold detail even looks like a flipped horse head.
I do quite like it, actually, but I can see a headswap being almost mandatory for other people
I see what you’re saying. It makes me wonder if the brief was to design a generic loyalist praetor and a generic traitor praetor.
I'd imagine so. This guy has two head options, and both of them have an aquila. Unless you're EC, traitor praetors probably shouldn't have that
Tim the Biovore wrote: Just like the other guy was clearly designed as a Son of Horus, this fella definitely leans perhaps too heavily into being an Imperial Fist. The mohawk belongs on a White Scar though, the gold detail even looks like a flipped horse head.
I do quite like it, actually, but I can see a headswap being almost mandatory for other people
I see what you’re saying. It makes me wonder if the brief was to design a generic loyalist praetor and a generic traitor praetor.
I'd imagine so. This guy has two head options, and both of them have an aquila. Unless you're EC, traitor praetors probably shouldn't have that
Article mentions multiple head options, so we’ve likely not seen the full choice yet.
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I find the "I have a sword" pose is a bit more tolerable when his head is positioned to make it look like he's signalling troops rather than waving it at the enemy
Tim the Biovore wrote: Just like the other guy was clearly designed as a Son of Horus, this fella definitely leans perhaps too heavily into being an Imperial Fist. The mohawk belongs on a White Scar though, the gold detail even looks like a flipped horse head.
I do quite like it, actually, but I can see a headswap being almost mandatory for other people
I see what you’re saying. It makes me wonder if the brief was to design a generic loyalist praetor and a generic traitor praetor.
Looking at them side by side, it certainly does feel that way.
Tim the Biovore wrote: I find the "I have a sword" pose is a bit more tolerable when his head is positioned to make it look like he's signalling troops rather than waving it at the enemy
Hm... on this picture his pose seems looking better, when the stone would be under the other leg... A plasma pistol would also look better.
Both would look better, with their head turned to the other side.
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GaroRobe wrote: Whose idea was it to give the helmetless version a mohawk????
It just looks bizarre. I’m not a fan of the new guy. The first praetor, in the Sons of Horus colours looks awesome to me, but this is a bit of let down.
I knew the Imperial Fists were famous for their fortifications but, until seeing Fafnir Rann and this new chap, I didn’t know they were also renowned for their magnificent beards.
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