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Fairly Simple question really.

I'm looking to convert some Incubi out of Warriors, though as you probably all know, there are some female torsos in the box. I could probably convert them into men, but I'd rather not.

I can't find any evidedence for Female Incubi existing, though I can't find anything saying they don't exist either. GWs Icubi are all men (none have bewbs) but this may just be because they didn't want to sculpt any female types.

So Dakka, do they exist? Is there anything in the new fluff that says either way?

Thanks Grimm

This is a long shot, no fluff-basis.

In English folklore, an Incubi is a deamon that takes male form and takes your maidenhood in the night. The female version of this, e.g. a deamon taking female form and accosting young men, is called a Succubus.

As I understand it, a Succubus in the DE codex is like the champion of a Wych squad, right?

So perhaps when a female Wych becomes skilled and favored enough she becomes a Succubus and leads a wych quad into combat. And when a male Wych becomes skilled and favored enough he becomes an Incubi?

Male and female versions of the same thing?

So, in short: I'd guess there are no female Incubi (since the word in English refers to a male type of deamon).

lunarman put it better than I could - but yes, an incubus is a "male" demon, the female equivalent being the succubus.

Dark Eldar society does not differentiate much between gender. Male Wyches, female Incubi, the latter even having miniatures.

lunar, you're basing your assumptions off of an Earth religion. These are aliens. The Imperium doesn't even know what an Incubus or Succubus means.
your argument is, in conclusion, SILLY.

Thanks for all the help. That's very interesting about all the daemon stuff. Learn something new every day.

The fact that there are official Lady Incubi does answer the question though. Less work for me.

Also, do any of these Daemons in folklore have any particular look. I might try and incoperate it into the design.

Yeah, they definitely have a particular look.... although I'm not altogether sure it's one you would want to incorporate in your figures unless you want a naughty slaaneshi look... I would post a pic for you but I'm not sure of the rules on nekkidness on the forum

Grimm wrote:Also, do any of these Daemons in folklore have any particular look. I might try and incoperate it into the design.

In folklore they are just beautiful men/women that visit humans in the night and give them sexual dreams.
In Medieval Christian tradition, such dreams could only be the product of daemons of course. So no special appearance.

PERSONA!!!! I faced my true self.

Isn't the old model somehwat invalidated by the new deldar stuff? I think it would be as weird as a male succubus. I guess it's all in the name, but I'm sure GW called succubi and incubi what they are for a reason. Besides that's easier than making up a name in eldarese for the eldar incubi/succubi equivalent.

Klawz wrote:lunar, you're basing your assumptions off of an Earth religion. These are aliens. The Imperium doesn't even know what an Incubus or Succubus means.
your argument is, in conclusion, SILLY.

Klaws, your're basing your assumptions off an actual existence of the dark eldar, so they can, in their infinite wisdom, create words such as Succubi and Incubi. How daring is for me to think that such a primitive race without warp travel such as ours, could ever create fictional uber race like the dark eldar and place them in a fictional enviroment of warhammer 40k - so they could then create fictional Succubi and Incubi based on their primitive myths and legends!

Your argument is, in conclusion, SILLY.

...but back to the topic.

I do not remember seeing male Succubi. But I do not remember not seeing female Incubi. Perhaps this difference was just not perfectly clarified by GW in their fluff. But I will probably side with the opinion that Succubi are female and Incubi are male because...it makes sense?

As Kroothawk stated, do not differentiate between the sexes when it comes to talent or ability. There are male Wyches, although the Wych society devaluates their abilities because, "females are more graceful and better able to hold difficult poses". This wouldn't preclude the possibility of a male Succubus, although it doesn't make it likely. Such a personality would make for interesting fluff, as well as form the basis for an army concept.

Incubi are essentially Dark Eldar Aspect Warriors; Howling Banshees accept male members, why wouldn't Incubi (if they're even traditionally male dominated) accept females?

pretty sure the old Incubi models had ladies.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:pretty sure the old Incubi models had ladies.

It think so too.

U can accuse the de of many things, but sexual discrimination is not one of them

KamikazeCanuck wrote:pretty sure the old Incubi models had ladies.

That's why I posted a pic of one in post #4

Kroothawk wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:pretty sure the old Incubi models had ladies.

That's why I posted a pic of one in post #4

Also why I own like 5 of them. I should dust those off.

Gavin Thorne wrote:This wouldn't preclude the possibility of a male Succubus, although it doesn't make it likely. Such a personality would make for interesting fluff, as well as form the basis for an army concept.

Maybe he's just a sweet transvestite?

I see Succubi be similiar to Howling Banshees. Technically Eldar don't care about gender except they do have their female only Castes.

Tbh, ive always been alittle confused by the whole male banshee thing... i mean... is it confirmed? or is it player ingenuity? lex makes a very vague reference, but that's all.

Oh and though im not to sure, (i have the codex for the latest edition DE, and the current Eldar codex) but from what ive seen there are no Female incubi in the actual box set, but hey its your army, why not

There are also no female Guardsmen in the box set (cadian/catachan plastics), but we know from old minis, the old codex, and the Black Library that there's no universal 'no women' rule in the IG.

Everything we know about the Dark Eldar tells us that both sexes are equal. The only exception to this, the higher concentration of female succubi, is interesting enough to warrant a note in the codex. I think that the fact that it's not explicitly stated, plus the fact that there are old female incubi models, likely means that the female incubus has gotten the same treatment as the female cadian: she exists, but not in a blister.

I think the real question here is: are there male bloodbrides?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I see Succubi be similiar to Howling Banshees. Technically Eldar don't care about gender except they do have their female only Castes.

Incorrect. There are male Howling Banshees, there are female other aspects. Gender identity is a part of the aspect. When they assume that aspect, they assume that identity as well. The armor is shaped like a gender, the eldar inside may not be. Only Dire Avengers are a split-gender aspect.

Succubi female demons that seduce males, incubi male demons that seduce females.

FuryTheBerserker wrote:Succubi female demons that seduce males, incubi male demons that seduce females.

Except in a DE sense there is much less seducing and a lot more chopping your head off with a nasty looking power weapon

Basing the assumptions on the stated nomenculture of the codexes is also SILLY (silly is in allcaps only for the lulz and consisitancy). Succubus and Incubus are names given to them by some hoary old Xenos inquisitor, they could be called 'Shub'nigguruths' for all we (the imperium) know.

kenshin620 wrote:

FuryTheBerserker wrote:Succubi female demons that seduce males, incubi male demons that seduce females.

Except in a DE sense there is much less seducing and a lot more chopping your head off with a nasty looking power weapon

Yep. In some folklores or fiction universes those demons kill you after the sexual act. Image how the succubus would kill you after a fellatio

DarknessEternal wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I see Succubi be similiar to Howling Banshees. Technically Eldar don't care about gender except they do have their female only Castes.

Incorrect. There are male Howling Banshees, there are female other aspects. Gender identity is a part of the aspect. When they assume that aspect, they assume that identity as well. The armor is shaped like a gender, the eldar inside may not be. Only Dire Avengers are a split-gender aspect.

Source?

Image how the succubus would kill you after a fellatio

Actually... and I'm going to try to keep this as clean as possible for a family forum... per some old lore and sayings gathered from a dozen sources of old apocrypha writings, salvaged grimoires, memoirs of Dr. John Dee and several other occult "masters" from the past six centuries...

... it is said that to lie with a Succubus is to enter into Hell... only, certain parts of you will enter before the rest of you.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I see Succubi be similiar to Howling Banshees. Technically Eldar don't care about gender except they do have their female only Castes.

Incorrect. There are male Howling Banshees, there are female other aspects. Gender identity is a part of the aspect. When they assume that aspect, they assume that identity as well. The armor is shaped like a gender, the eldar inside may not be. Only Dire Avengers are a split-gender aspect.

Source?

Codex Eldar.

Klawz wrote:lunar, you're basing your assumptions off of an Earth religion. These are aliens. The Imperium doesn't even know what an Incubus or Succubus means.
your argument is, in conclusion, SILLY.

You are forgetting a very important thing:

GW fluff for names, groups, orders, races are 90% inspired or a direct lift from our history or folklore

So the idea is perfectly justifiable.