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Wing and fixed forward weapons seem fine, but the turret still seems odd. It'd be in trouble for close-in firing, I'd think.

It's a sci-fi ship and it's down to personal aesthetics, of course. I think it'd look cooler if it was more 'Valkyrie' derived, with multiple side-hatches for Space Marines to deploy from and some sort of enclosed cargo bay where a Dreadnought could be stashed.

Balance wrote:It's a sci-fi ship and it's down to personal aesthetics, of course. I think it'd look cooler if it was more 'Valkyrie' derived, with multiple side-hatches for Space Marines to deploy from and some sort of enclosed cargo bay where a Dreadnought could be stashed.

No arguments there!

I really wonder how "fixable" this thing is. I think I need to see the actual kit.

I can see an 'upgrade sprue' getting released around the time of C: GK...

I really don't understand why you would put a melta (short range heat based weapon) on the front of an orbital dropship.

If it were really flying, it would outrun its range before it hit the target.

Saw it in person today. It doesn't photograph well.
The Black Box version came with the flight stand and there is a cruciform socket on the bottom panel.

Fun fact. For all that it looks front heavy and tippy, the model is actually back heavy. Its CG is just behind the rear landing gear.

skrulnik wrote:I really don't understand why you would put a melta (short range heat based weapon) on the front of an orbital dropship.

If it were really flying, it would outrun its range before it hit the target.

Saw it in person today. It doesn't photograph well.
The Black Box version came with the flight stand and there is a cruciform socket on the bottom panel.

Fun fact. For all that it looks front heavy and tippy, the model is actually back heavy. Its CG is just behind the rear landing gear.

it's a terminator capable transport which is an assault vehicle... so it'll be used to drop off marines within 8" (2" disembark, 6" charge) of the enemy. having a multimelta (with a 24" range, not the regular melta you might be thinking) with POTMS to boot is very effective for the role people will use the vehicle in.

Tabletop it works. For the reasons you stated. That isn't why it bugs me.

But as an aircraft armament, I find it suspect.

The only time it will be used is while a unit dumps out right below it. Seems high-risk.
Dunno about you, but having a microwave gun firing over my head would be a bit disconcerting.
They aim a little low, and you got lobsters.

Almost as bad as exiting a door in front of large guns, ala the Land Raider.

skrulnik wrote:Almost as bad as exiting a door in front of large guns, ala the Land Raider.

That is why smart Techmarines put the guns in *front* of the side doors...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

skrulnik wrote:Almost as bad as exiting a door in front of large guns, ala the Land Raider.

That is why smart Techmarines put the guns in *front* of the side doors...

Style over functionality, that's the unofficial motto of my Chapter.

Balance wrote:It's a sci-fi ship and it's down to personal aesthetics, of course. I think it'd look cooler if it was more 'Valkyrie' derived, with multiple side-hatches for Space Marines to deploy from and some sort of enclosed cargo bay where a Dreadnought could be stashed.

That's exactly what I've been suggesting, with a hexagonal cross-section to the hull, two assault doors on either side, and a recess at the rear to protect the Dreadnought during reentry.

You know, it always bothered me that the T-Hawk transporter has ceramic plating to protect itself during entry into orbit, but its cargo of Land Raiders, Rhinos and other tanks don't. I should write a concerned message to Warwick.

boreas wrote:

BrookM wrote:Seeing the rear for the first time I can't help but wonder how a Dread is supposed to fit into that tiny hatch.

That's how:

ROFLMAO!

I like the SR, but gonna have to convert the hell out of the rear. Its just weak, lets the whole model down. Dreads are pretty cool but the filthy libby is pants, especaily his force weapon.

Well, I'm happy - with the wings hacked off and some tracks added, this will make a fabulous battlewagon for my Orks

Some parts of it certainly look a bit odd - I'm sure the various resing accessory manufacturers are already busily designing replacement turrets etc.

Balance wrote:It's also got the common sci-fi plane oddity of a top-mounted turret, when presumably a bottom-mounted turret would make more sense for, you know, shooting the ground.

Except it doesn't strafe the ground like a fixed-wing aircraft. Once it comes in from a landing and deploys cargo, I'd imagine it fights exactly as would a modern chopper, a.k.a. gunship. It's even got gunship in the name. I'd assume after delivering it's payload, it simply goes nose down a bit, and then strafes side to side like an Apache, Super Cobra, Hind, or what have you. It looks like it will be in this position when it's on the stand.

skrulnik wrote:Almost as bad as exiting a door in front of large guns, ala the Land Raider.

I've never understood why anyone modeled it like that since you have the option not to.

Balance wrote:presumably a bottom-mounted turret would make more sense for, you know, shooting the ground.

We discussed this in another thread. If the turret was fixed underneath, then that means that when the ramp comes down, it'll be shooting through it.

shrike wrote:

Balance wrote:presumably a bottom-mounted turret would make more sense for, you know, shooting the ground.

We discussed this in another thread. If the turret was fixed underneath, then that means that when the ramp comes down, it'll be shooting through it.

lol i was talking about this with the guy in gw, i said that if it wasnt for the ramp a chin mounted razor back style turret would be cool and then jokingly said to put bomb bay style doors in the bottom and kick the marines out whilst its hovering death from above for the win!! lmao

The StormRaven literally allows you to deploy marines in mid-flight so that's pretty much what's happening...

I don't get that part. It's travelling at literally 100mph, flying 10 metres off the ground, and 12 1-tonne space marines jump off it. WTF?!
I might do one, and make some rappelling lines, like SWAT or whatever do it off helicopters. Maybe having the lines connected to each marine's belt? That'd be cool...
I'm gonna have to do that, attached to the belts, swinging down off a gunship, one hand holding onto the line, the other firing the bolter one-handed...

Look forward to seeing some pictures shrike!!!

It'll be in about 3 months, so don't hold your breath...

*waits patiently in a corner somewhere*

Ha, i have plenty of time to wait that long! Im just going to build mine up and leave out the vent and find somewhere to put the turret on, my modelling skills are next to none so will not be plasticarding or greenstuffing the life out it

shrike wrote:I don't get that part. It's travelling at literally 100mph, flying 10 metres off the ground, and 12 1-tonne space marines jump off it. WTF?!
I might do one, and make some rappelling lines, like SWAT or whatever do it off helicopters. Maybe having the lines connected to each marine's belt? That'd be cool...
I'm gonna have to do that, attached to the belts, swinging down off a gunship, one hand holding onto the line, the other firing the bolter one-handed...

Youd better hope those rappel lines are chains. Space marines are heavy.


Question: Is the storm raven an assault vehicle? If so, I will be forced to replace my land raider with one. Can they scout?


Scouting, moving 6 first turn, assaulting. Foolproof.

I wonder if a Nemesisraven can carry dreadknights.

shrike wrote:I don't get that part. It's travelling at literally 100mph, flying 10 metres off the ground, and 12 1-tonne space marines jump off it. WTF?!
I might do one, and make some rappelling lines, like SWAT or whatever do it off helicopters. Maybe having the lines connected to each marine's belt? That'd be cool...
I'm gonna have to do that, attached to the belts, swinging down off a gunship, one hand holding onto the line, the other firing the bolter one-handed...

You're neglecting the fact that Power Armour is able to, theoretically, survive reentry from orbit and the Marine inside being fight-capable.

10 meters off the ground at 100 mph is nothing compared to that for a Power Armoured Marine, especially since they'd likely slow down before hitting a deployment zone, let the Marines inside jump out and then the Stormraven fires its engines up then.

Kanluwen wrote:

shrike wrote:I don't get that part. It's travelling at literally 100mph, flying 10 metres off the ground, and 12 1-tonne space marines jump off it. WTF?!
I might do one, and make some rappelling lines, like SWAT or whatever do it off helicopters. Maybe having the lines connected to each marine's belt? That'd be cool...
I'm gonna have to do that, attached to the belts, swinging down off a gunship, one hand holding onto the line, the other firing the bolter one-handed...

You're neglecting the fact that Power Armour is able to, theoretically, survive reentry from orbit and the Marine inside being fight-capable.

10 meters off the ground at 100 mph is nothing compared to that for a Power Armoured Marine, especially since they'd likely slow down before hitting a deployment zone, let the Marines inside jump out and then the Stormraven fires its engines up then.

It says that if it moves 12" (full speed), marines can disembark from a point the SR crossed over. SM jump off 2nd storey buildings and make cracks in the pavement. Imagine doing that 4 storeys up onto a 100mph giant conveyor belt, weighing several hundred kilos. Ouch.

Game Play =/= Background.

shrike wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

shrike wrote:I don't get that part. It's travelling at literally 100mph, flying 10 metres off the ground, and 12 1-tonne space marines jump off it. WTF?!
I might do one, and make some rappelling lines, like SWAT or whatever do it off helicopters. Maybe having the lines connected to each marine's belt? That'd be cool...
I'm gonna have to do that, attached to the belts, swinging down off a gunship, one hand holding onto the line, the other firing the bolter one-handed...

You're neglecting the fact that Power Armour is able to, theoretically, survive reentry from orbit and the Marine inside being fight-capable.

10 meters off the ground at 100 mph is nothing compared to that for a Power Armoured Marine, especially since they'd likely slow down before hitting a deployment zone, let the Marines inside jump out and then the Stormraven fires its engines up then.

It says that if it moves 12" (full speed), marines can disembark from a point the SR crossed over. SM jump off 2nd story buildings and make cracks in the pavement. Imagine doing that 4 stories up onto a 100mph giant conveyor belt, weighing several hundred kilos. Ouch.

So what you're saying is that the ground gives before the Marines do?

I'd say the Marines will be okay. The armor has shock absorption and all kinds of other neat tricks that, along with the Marines' reinforced bone structure, etc means they'll have no problems doing it.

It's also why non-jump pack models need to make a Dangerous Terrain Test when they jump out.

Lines? Why would the need lines? They have grav-chutes.

is there a scale pic of it with a valkyrie yet?

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:is there a scale pic of it with a valkyrie yet?

I haven't yet seen one, and I'd say the Valkyrie is probably it's toughest competition saleswise: it's an awesome looking model that can be repurposed with very little alteration, I think.

I gave in to the dark side and pre-ordered one, because I'm a sucker like that. I don't plan on building it until I see what other people do. I know for sure that top vent is going, and the turret is getting swapped out.

Of course the angle and such might be off , but worth a shot :3