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Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

 The_Blackadder wrote:
dreadwing wrote:
hi, lovely work as always.
question i need to ask, how are you filling the gaps in the plasticard? would liquid green stuff and a bit os sanding be best?
i've attached a pick of my basilisk, hope you like


Some really good work on this thread, I'm glad I found it (just today in fact). Allow me to field this question......

The best way to fill gaps is to not create them. It's just as hard or harder filling and sanding gaps as it is cutting precisely. Overlap your edges and file and sand off the overlap.

Let me quote myself from my tyro days when I built my LandKreuzer:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/236187.page

 The_Blackadder wrote:
Thanks,

The Sounds Of Sanding:

One of the questions I most get is how do I manage to get my edges and corners so crisp and smooth and without using fillers. Well I've attempted to answer this on many occasions recommending the tools shown here but it was only this morning that it came to me that I sand by sound...........

http://i.imgur.com/PCFjBdi.jpg


The big problem with sanding anything especially soft material is maintaining a level stroke with the sanding block or file. Most people when they sand have a tendency to rock the tool especially at the end of the stroke where they reverse the sanding direction. This causes two problems; one, by necessity the edges become more sanded as the pressure at the point of contact increases at the fine edge causing more material to be abraided and two, the double stroke of the reverse of the direction.

There are two ways to eliminate this. The first is easy, just sand in one direction but the problem there is you still have the extra pressure at the end of the stroke. The second is to sand in a circular or figure '8' motion which I learned when honing chisels on a stone and carried over into sanding just about anything.

So check your sanding progress often and if possible reverse the piece so the edge surfaces gets equal work and try to decrease the pressure when you get to the end of the stroke so the edges don't get over-sanded.

So where does the 'sound' come in?

This morning I was absently sanding the small turrets seen above and I noticed that the sound of the sanding dropped in pitch as I made flush contact with the entire surface of the work. I probably do this subliminally so I know precisely when the surface is flush and smooth. You'll have to practice with this technique but it's better than filling with greenstuff which you have to sand again anyway.

HTH

Oh, and the scissors.......... On thin styrene up to a millimeter I use a good pair of scissors to rough cut the excess close to the edge of the work. they are much easier to control than the knife and you are less likely to cut too close and damage the corners.


My apologies for hijacking your excellent thread.


Given you inspired me to pick up ruler and plasticard in the first place, you’re very welcome! Thank you for your kind words!

And yes, what Blackadder said! He’s the reason I buy more nail files and nail art beads than my girlfriend!

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 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

Build update!

Smashed out a lot of detailing today. A few more bits to do and a lot of riveting and then she’s DONE. I’m pretty happy she can stand on her landing struts, as it means she can be used as an objective or terrain in skirmish games as well as a game piece.

I made some choices based on what looked cool rather than in-game optimising. The Hurricane Bolters are not magnetised on, they’re permanent. Might as well leave the teeth on this bird, always! And Heavy Plasma... eh, it looked cool and feels very Dark Angels! Also dubbed it the ‘Umbra Pattern’ as in shadow, Dark etc.

I’m SUPER pleased she can stand up ‘landed’. The sticky-outy skids were inspired by the undercarriage pods on the FW Marine flyers. I was trying something inline and it looked terrible. Using an I-beam to easily attach these at an angle saved the day, and I just guessed all the part sizes and assembled what felt right.







And finally some spinny GIFs at https://i.imgur.com/IdIMGzS.gifv and https://i.imgur.com/4UiDBnP.gifv


I decided a turret would throw off the lines so went for wing-mounted weaponry. The plasma cannons are taken from Tehnolog tank spares, with homemade housing (including some sprue trimmings for part of the plasma ammo canister). Missile racks also from Tehnolog. The space where the chibi Stormraven’s turret sits has been filled with a hatch/sensor dome made from a Prosecco bottle top! You likely can’t see until painted, but there are some details on the engines made from cable ties. Should give a ribbed texture that will drbyrush up well.

C&C welcome!

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 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
Made in gb
Stealthy Grot Snipa






UK

So good man, I just sit and marvel!

Skinflint Games- war gaming in the age of austerity

https://skinflintgames.wordpress.com/

 
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

 Skinflint Games wrote:
So good man, I just sit and marvel!


Thank you! I’ve done more detailing since but I’m fast running out of poly cement... need a re-up tomorrow from the model shop in town.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
Made in us
[DCM]
Boom! Leman Russ Commander





United States

Fantastic work as always, JH! As a 'found item' modeling aficionado, I scrutinize your pieces now just to see what marvelous treasure (that anyone else but us would have thrown away- the fools!) you've built in.

Ordered from your 'rivet guy' and now have 1000 1mm black half rhinestones to play with- thanks for the tip for the source!

Next question: what's your method for keeping the dang-blanket-blank stupid cricket things from jumping all over the place and glue 'em down!?!? I tried swabbing a short line of superglue where I wanted to apply rivets, and tried picking them up individually with tweezers- and those suckers have some range! What's your trick? All your builds have such precise alignment of the rivets- and I don't see any story marks measured out to help keep them even.

I love reading this blog!


"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

Montrose Toast


 
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

Thanks, I’m glad that you guys enjoy it.

I’m SUCH a hoarder! Bottle caps can be great when hidden a little. I think the engine nascelles have come out pretty nicely now I’ve added the little detail pieces that break up the original shape. Half the trick is visualising whatvthings can be, the other half is layering until they don’t look like what they were.

The T’au suit has a paracetamol tub lid, prosecco lid and oat milk lid all glued together at the back, and I’ve just started making Milliput copies of a bolt head to emulate the distinctive T’au ‘split dome/screwhead’ design element.


Ok, Riveting 101: be prepared for some horribly simple methods!

To site a rivet, I do as follows:

- Pour nail bead ‘rivets’ out into something; I use the lid from some Oxy laundry bleach that I washed out. Anything with an edge to avoid spilling rivets everywhere.

- Decide where you want rivet. If it’s on styrene/plasticard apply a drop of plastic glue. I use Revell’s precision applicator pots with the needle tip. Regardless, I usually end up with more glue than I need. Don’t worry, it’s pretty thin and dries up just fine 90% of the time.

- Shake rivet container if there are none flat-side-down. Lick tip of finger. Grab the domed side of a rivet and transfer it to the drop of glue.

- Use tip of your hobby knife to position the rivet before the glue dries. I find you don’t need to use superglue on styrene/plasticard, as the drop of glue melts the surface enough to grab the rivet and it dries up solid. I’ve lost less than 10 rivets after glueing this way across all my builds.

That’s it! Alignment is partly by eye, partly by comparing to plans (if using them), part sheer luck and inspiration!

If I’m riveting something non-styrene, like I will be on the engine cowling on my current build (Berocca lids), I do a similar process but with superglue, and try to work as quickly and as accurately as possible. If it stuffs up scrape it clean and start again. I don’t use superglue for most rivets as it’s a pain to use and leaves crusty residue if you’re not super neat. I have on occasion used PVA when adding rivets to terrain, and that’s been fine.

Give the plastic glue / polystyrene cement method a go! If I get a chance I’ll film some when riveting the Stormraven. Lots to do on that!

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 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander





United States

Thanks for the tute- I was afraid it was as detailed as it turned out to be. But, just as an entrepreneur is someone willing to work 60 hours a week for himself to avoid working 40 hours a week for someone else, if you want good rivet results you've got to put the time in.

I'll try swapping out polystyrene glue instead of cyanoacrylate- that may be easier to work with and give a bit more working time.

Good stuff!

"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

Montrose Toast


 
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

 Meer_Cat wrote:
Thanks for the tute- I was afraid it was as detailed as it turned out to be. But, just as an entrepreneur is someone willing to work 60 hours a week for himself to avoid working 40 hours a week for someone else, if you want good rivet results you've got to put the time in.

I'll try swapping out polystyrene glue instead of cyanoacrylate- that may be easier to work with and give a bit more working time.

Good stuff!


Looking forward to seeing how you get on. All tutorials I’d seen used cyanoacrylate, but I got bored of that after the first time my finger ended up looking like a snozzcumber. Tried poly cement, worked just fine, never looked back! And yeah, the longer working time allows you to line them up properly. Once you get the hang of this method it’s faster than you think... and kinda fun!

(You will accidentally discover the taste of plastic glue along the way... it’s very acrid, like unflavoured creative. I considered a wax pencil to try and avoid this but ayyyy, the price. I’ll stick to finger lickin’!)

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 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
Made in be
Liberated Grot Land Raida






Belgium

I'm loving all the random caps and such on there. Makes me realise why I hoard all that stuff

A Squeaky Waaagh!!

Camkhieri: "And another very cool thing, my phones predictive text actually gave me chicken as an option after typing robot, how cool is that."'

Meercat: "All eyes turned to the horizon and beheld, in lonely and menacing grandeur, the silhouette of a single Grot robot chicken; a portent of evil days to come."
From 'The Plucking of Gindoo Phlem' 
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

 CommissarKhaine wrote:
I'm loving all the random caps and such on there. Makes me realise why I hoard all that stuff


When building my Taurox counts-as I had to specify to my girlfriend which brand of milk alternative we needed to buy so I’d have enough matching wheels... as I was two short! Then I ate LOTS of cereal.

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 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Boston-area [Watertown] Massachusetts

 JohnnyHell wrote:
 CommissarKhaine wrote:
I'm loving all the random caps and such on there. Makes me realise why I hoard all that stuff


When building my Taurox counts-as I had to specify to my girlfriend which brand of milk alternative we needed to buy so I’d have enough matching wheels... as I was two short! Then I ate LOTS of cereal.


And now you have LOTS of cereal packets for terrain-building.

Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

Hahaha true.

Some squig-for-brains forgot to buy glue yesterday and forgot to bring his wallet to work today. Thank the gods for Apple Pay! Two fresh poly cement bottles procured - let the riveting commence in earnest!!!

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

Some before and after detailing... lots still to do. Rivets add so much weight and feel to the piece!



Oh, yeah, I made a magnetised pair of Heavy Bolters for the front to save points.


Almost midnight edit: After a loooong day working in the garden, I sat down and finished the bird. Filler was trimmed and filed down, rivets all done and last bits of detailing completed. I think it’s all ready to paint! Pictures to follow tomorrow evening after work... pretty proud of this little Dark Age relic!

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 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

And we are DONE!











I took a bunch of shortcuts and arbitrary detailing decisions as I finished up, but that’s half the fun! The sloping beams on the rear sides were going to be part of the landing gear, but I left them on when I changed tack. The threads are sloppy but meh. They’re on the bottom. The black styrene was used because I recycled some leftover track sections cut for my Macharius to add a first layer of detail. Saved plastic and cutting work, and looks perfect!

The magna grapple for carrying Dreadnought was made from a Dread fist I recently ripped off my Dread and replaced with a scratchbuilt Dread-sized Chainfist (more on that another day) - seemed fitting. I could have added cable to the spool but eh, let’s just say it’s inside the drum OK?

The ‘Umbra Pattern’ Stormraven is now ready to be basecoated tonight. As this one is going to be Chaper colours not Deathwing I can rattle-can it! Phew! I’ve got the Land Raider sprayed up Grey ready for the bone white processs to begin, and it looks great. Really helps bring it all together. Can’t wait to see this basecoated later but boy am I not looking forward to the recess shading stage! Sooooooooo many rivets to do. Individually.

And some links to 360 spin GIFs - can’t find a way to embed them here (shout if you know how!):
https://i.imgur.com/SejtGxy.gifv
https://i.imgur.com/OaYcYz3.gifv

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 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
Made in be
Liberated Grot Land Raida






Belgium

And now you have LOTS of cereal packets for terrain-building.


Circular economy, right?

That thing is looking amazing all finished, extremely clean work as usual.

A Squeaky Waaagh!!

Camkhieri: "And another very cool thing, my phones predictive text actually gave me chicken as an option after typing robot, how cool is that."'

Meercat: "All eyes turned to the horizon and beheld, in lonely and menacing grandeur, the silhouette of a single Grot robot chicken; a portent of evil days to come."
From 'The Plucking of Gindoo Phlem' 
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

 CommissarKhaine wrote:
And now you have LOTS of cereal packets for terrain-building.


Circular economy, right?

That thing is looking amazing all finished, extremely clean work as usual.


Thank you! About to basecoat it. Nice sunny day off for spray painting!

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
Made in gb
Omnious Orc Shaman





A long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away...

Hats off to you, that is pure excellence in plastic...

   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

Thank you!

Got her undercoated this morning. Really pulls it all together. Also highlights all the glue overspills etc. up close but they’re mostly underneath and will be hidden by paint!









No longer a collection of tubes and bottle caps, it now looks visually coherent. Ready for painting now!

I also painted some decking. That took a lot longer but apparently I don’t need to wash or drybrush it?

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 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Boston-area [Watertown] Massachusetts

Isn't it amazing what that first coat of primer does to a scratchbuild/kitbash?

Great work!

--Brian


Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

It's such a great moment!

Such a good effect, apparently, that some oik on Imgur posted "Yeah that's not what scratch built means. Quite the opposite. Nice build nonetheless"

I'll take it as a compliment!

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
Made in us
[DCM]
Boom! Leman Russ Commander





United States

It looks factory-kit made- what a great build! And with a couple of (much smaller scope) vehicle customizations and one nearly totally scratchbuilt- yes, the moment when you hit it with the first base coat and it still looks good is heady, indeed.

"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

Montrose Toast


 
   
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Happy We Found Our Primarch





Rennes

Nice work as ever!

Ferrum Aeternum 
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

Thanks guys! I’ve started painting but a little Tyranid/Aeldari Battle got in the way. We played a new Chapter Approved missions ‘Targets Of Opportunity’. A brutal, drawn-out 7-Turn nailbiter. The Eldar clinched it when their last remaining model, a Farseer, walked out of his deployment zone to score 1VP needed to win! I had a Carnifex and a Tyrannofex left and there was nothing they could do to stop him. Such a strange but fun mission!

Edit: we were sharing photos of the game the next day and noticed I should have scored Linebreaker for a draw. We rolled up the last turn remotely whilst both at work! The Farseer took the Fex to 1W but couldn’t finish him - A DRAW! We are ridiculous people.

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 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

I’ve done a bit more work on the T’au Riptide-variant suit.



Detailing in T’au style is so different to Imperial. I’m winging it big time. Trying to hew close to GW’s style but also add little bits of my own touches, as it’s an experimental suit.

I have so much tidying up to do on this but it’s going roughly to plan! I remade the thigh pieces, starting completely over on them. I’ve made a toe and am trying to mould it to save making three more... will see how that’s gone on the morning and rethink plans if need be! I intend to run a stiff rod of some sort into the calf and into the base, so the foot and skinny ankle aren’t having to support the suit’s weight.

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 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Boston-area [Watertown] Massachusetts

Study early Gundam, and it may help as well.

Falling down is the same as being hit by a planet — "I paint to the 20 foot rule, it saves a lot of time." -- Me
ddogwood wrote:People who feel the need to cheat at Warhammer deserve pity, not anger. I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to make you feel like you need to cheat at your toy army soldiers game?
 
   
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Cardiff

 Briancj wrote:
Study early Gundam, and it may help as well.


Haha good shout. I’ve been pretty much eyeballing it from various anime, Trabsformers and Tau images up on my computer. Keeps me inspired whilst not slavishly copying anything. I want this to be the Coldstar of the Riptide world.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

https://i.imgur.com/dpEqb9X.gifv

Can’t for the life of me get the 360 GIFs to load here so I’ve linked it.

Bad photos in bad light tonight, but you can hopefully see the sheer amount of detailing done. Just a little left to go and I can call it finished and donate the XB104-X to her new owner. This one is going to be a present, as I don’t have a T’au force.



I decided against a shield, it didn’t fit my rifleman look. I decided to make the roundels under the pauldrons into Ion Shield Emitters, each covering a side arc. I added vanes emulating those around the GW model’s Ion Shield.

I also adjusted the stance hastily to get it ready for a battle in the week. Not 100% what I had intended but it allowed me to create a strong ankle joint and fit the feet on the base. Both important! The toes were moulded with green stuff based on masters that I made.

With the detailing and the vanes it’s really capturing the spacefaring, Coldstar-of-the-Riptide-world I was aiming for.

Battle-wise, she almost killed Eldrad single handed, branched nova charges multiplying shots and boosting her saves. She weathered a round of return Ulthwe fire, and bravely used a Stratagem to fire at full efficiency despite being on 2W remaining, but the pointy-eared crystal dill weed survived it all and Smited the big suit into oblivion. Still, Andy enjoyed using the suit so that’s what counts! M

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 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
Made in us
[DCM]
Boom! Leman Russ Commander





United States

"Greater love hath no man, than he give on a scratch build to a friend."

I can see the detail you've jammed in- excellent job!

"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

Montrose Toast


 
   
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Preacher of the Emperor





Denver, CO, USA

That Stormraven is remarkable, well done!

   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

MacPhail wrote:That Stormraven is remarkable, well done!


Thank you! It’s taking a small age to basecoat all the metal. Then I have to wash it all and recess wash all the green. It’s so borrrrrring but it WILL be worth it!

Meer_Cat wrote:"Greater love hath no man, than he give on a scratch build to a friend."

I can see the detail you've jammed in- excellent job!


Just an excuse to make something in a new style and not have to paint it!

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
 
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