Malifaux 2nd Edition - October 2013, Public Beta Playtest is Live!

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**Alfndrate**

bbb wrote:
Usually all the Gen Con models are available from the website only during the dates of Gen Con. I think they extended it one year due to crazy site slowness caused by the heavy traffic from people attempting to get the Nightmare editions..

Yeah I know that everything that I could buy at GenCon was available on the webstore, but I didn't know about the Nightmare trees...

The only problem one has to deal with is the slowness of the Wyrd shipping issues that always plague them post GenCon.

**lordofthegophers**

I live in the UK so I don't have much choice, I'll have to order online during Gen Con.

**Bossk_Hogg**

Alfndrate wrote:
Breotan wrote:
So, Malifaux has kroothounds now?

I thought nids

Edit: For anyone interested, that's the nightmare version, which means that Tara will have a regular release in case you don't like what you see. There are also previews of her rules in the latest Wyrd Chronicles (Issue 7)

The "nightmare" version kind of just seems an excuse to jack up the price. There's nothing "nightmare"-ish about it. Its the basic artwork in the book. This is the standard version, but just has the "nightmare" tag slapped on it. At some point down the line they'll do another one, but if you dont want to proxie her for a year or two, you need to shell out extra now. Meh.

The models look good though I would never have pegged Tara as female from the art alone.

**bbb**

Yeah, I'm a little confused about why this is a Nightmare Edition. They have usually been big versions of or unique takes on pre-existing stuff. This seems like a pretty standard crew. It looks nice, but not particularly Nightmare Edition quality.

**spiralingcadaver**

I expect the Nothing Beast is probably way bigger than the normal version will be, but, yeah, it's not that impressive, esp. without seeing a regular version.

**Alfndrate**

spiralingcadaver wrote:
I expect the Nothing Beast is probably way bigger than the normal version will be, but, yeah, it's not that impressive, esp. without seeing a regular version.

Yeah, I would rather see the regular version before I see NIGHTMARE version. Though let us not forget last year's nightmare model... those fething trees!

**Mathieu Raymond**

Are you often having nightmares about trees, Alf? Care to share?

I was under the impression that tooling for plastic models was costly. Why make those kits limited? It seems like a poor return on investment.

And before anyone asks, no, I don't get why Dreamforge's exclusive models were so short lived either, especially considering the quality.

**Alfndrate**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Are you often having nightmares about trees, Alf? Care to share?

I was under the impression that tooling for plastic models was costly. Why make those kits limited? It seems like a poor return on investment.

And before anyone asks, no, I don't get why Dreamforge's exclusive models were so short lived either, especially considering the quality.

I thought the Nightmare Hanging Trees were a cool alternative to the "Hanged" models that currently exist for the Ressers, but I didn't think they were 80 dollars cool. I got a nightmare Teddy for 50 bucks, Nightmare Chompy is like 100 dollars and is worth it for it's collectability and size. Dead Justice is also cool and worth w/e price she sells for (not on eBay

). But 80 bucks for plastic trees made go, "what?!" It was a bit of a running joke amongst my friends at GenCon. I bought over 300 dollars worth of stuff from Wyrd alone last year and I didn't think, "maybe I should grab the nightmare trees" once. I believe I'm getting it for free with my Through the Breach Pledge, but if I'm not no worries.

**Bossk_Hogg**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Are you often having nightmares about trees, Alf? Care to share?

I was under the impression that tooling for plastic models was costly. Why make those kits limited? It seems like a poor return on investment.

And before anyone asks, no, I don't get why Dreamforge's exclusive models were so short lived either, especially considering the quality.

Well, they make 5 times as much on each nightmare box set as they do regular ones, since they cut out the take of middle man distributors/game stores. So there's that going for it.

Still seems stupid to do this as the nightmare edition. Just release it as the standard version, since its already done. Not like the xtra plastic for larger models really costs much more.The release schedule for M2 was planned pretty pooly if they are releasing the new characters over a year later, and concentrating on redoing existing models first. They said there wouldnt be a standard Tara until late 2014 at the earliest. Have they said when the brewmaster is coming out?

**cincydooley**

I wish they'd have just redone a plastic Nightmare Chompy....

I do wonder who the "Miss" this year will be.

I'm hoping it's a drag queen named "Miss Ogynist"

**Lalochezia**

From Eric:

For those of you new to Wyrd, who haven't seen our previous nightmare editions, or those who have questions about our upcoming Nightmare Tara (available during Gen Con at the booth or online store), I figured I'd stick all the information in one place!

Here are the basics

Nightmare editions are our chance to do something big and fun and limited.
They never have new stat lines, but are rather alternate sculpts of a model that is, or will be, released through distribution normally.
They are usually outside what you'd expect to see in the normal line either in size (Big Teddy or Lord Chompy), or theme (Undead Justice, Miss models).
They allow us a chance to add something special to the line.
They usually are released during big conventions, like Gen Con, but will ALWAYS be available through our online store during those same dates.

This year, our nightmare edition is Tara and her crew. Here are the details. (I will continue to update this first post with all information about Tara as it's available.)

Cost: $80
Photo: Here
What you get: TWO full sprues of plastic, twice as much as a normal crew box. So yes, things are bigger and more detailed.
Other Details: Tara was originally a wave 2 model and new to Malifaux. However, since we thought she was perfect for a nightmare edition (due to the fun big nothing beast), she was promoted to a wave 1 model, and the nightmare sculpts (only) were made. Her normal sculpts are still in the production line as a wave 2 model, and as such will not be completed until late 2014 at the earliest.

http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?45839-What-is-a-Nightmare-edition

So Nightmare Tara contains twice the sprues a normal box set would have, which speaks to the size/options of the models.

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cincydooley wrote:
I wish they'd have just redone a plastic Nightmare Chompy....

I do wonder who the "Miss" this year will be.

I'm hoping it's a drag queen named "Miss Ogynist"

Miss Step, Steamborg Executioner

http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?42030-Gen-Con-2013-Releases

**Alfndrate**

cincydooley wrote:I wish they'd have just redone a plastic Nightmare Chompy....

I do wonder who the "Miss" this year will be.

I'm hoping it's a drag queen named "Miss Ogynist"

From the previous page:

Absolutionis wrote:
This year's new Miss is:

Rumored to be named "Miss Step". Likely an Arcanist model similar to the Steamborg Executioner.

Miss Step

Lalochezia wrote:*snip*

As always, thanks Justin. Do you have pictures of a completed box? I wasn't planning on buying anything from your booth this year (due to cash flow) but if the models look decent enough, I could be convinced to part with my filth lucre

**Lalochezia**

No, unfortunately, I do not. I will see them myself for the first time at Gen Con.

**Alfndrate**

Lalochezia wrote:
No, unfortunately, I do not. I will see them myself for the first time at Gen Con.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

You're gonna make me fight against my low impulse control aren't you? I hate all of you plastic crack dealers

**cincydooley**

Oh cool. I could use a steamborg, for sure.

Is Tara able to be run as a regular Outcast crew? I don't play Rezzers and I'm really trying hard to not pick up any new games/factions at GenCon this year....

**Alfndrate**

cincydooley wrote:
Oh cool. I could use a steamborg, for sure.

Is Tara able to be run as a regular Outcast crew? I don't play Rezzers and I'm really trying hard to not pick up any new games/factions at GenCon this year....

Dual faction masters can be run as either or (look at the Book 4 masters). So if you run Tara as an Outcast, you will get models that can only be hired by outcasts and then generally the models they can normally hire. Like Lynch I believe can always hire models with Brilliance (I will double check as my book isn't on me).

**cincydooley**

FyI there is art of Miss Step in the email I just got from Wyrd.

I'm still. Bit skeptical about that Tara box being $80, but I'll definitely be getting the Lady J and Tina boxes. There my Miss Step ;-)

**Alfndrate**

cincydooley wrote:
FyI there is art of Miss Step in the email I just got from Wyrd.

I'm still. Bit skeptical about that Tara box being $80, but I'll definitely be getting the Lady J and Tina boxes. There my Miss Step ;-)

Yeah I guess that's my only concern... 80 bucks for a kit I might never play is the same price as to what I need to pick up the few troll items I missed over the past year for WM/H.

It's a tough decision if you play outcasts or ressers

. Though if they did Pandora, Avatar of Woe (the old Pandy sculpt) in plastic I'd be sold and want it in a heartbeat (unless it was 80 bucks

)

**Bossk_Hogg**

cincydooley wrote:
Oh cool. I could use a steamborg, for sure.

Is Tara able to be run as a regular Outcast crew? I don't play Rezzers and I'm really trying hard to not pick up any new games/factions at GenCon this year....

Yep, she can be run as outcast no issue. The cthulhu and little dudes are actually outcast only, so you need tot ake her upgrade to use them in ressers. This also lets you hire death marshalls (which turn from living to dead). So break out your Dead Justice box.

Old Lynch could hire a lot of stuff, not just Brilliant models (like Stiched Together in 10 thunders). new Lynch just gets "Darkened" models (basically old Brilliant models). We at least yowled enough in Beta to change it from "Chronic".

**bbb**

This link has pictures of the Gen Con releases.

http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?42030-Gen-Con-2013-Releases

Releases available at the Wyrd booth and online at Wyrd's store during Gen Con (Aug 15-18).

Prices and public release dates will be added. Additional products added as information is released.

Board and Card Games
•Puppet Wars Unstitched
•EBO - The Crayon Manifesto (Expansion)
•EBO - Nerdfighteria Expansion
•Showdown: Icons - $45 (Sep) - includes 5 plastic decks
•The World Needs a Jetpack Unicorn - $24 (Nov)
•Kings of Artifice - $70 (Oct)

Through the Breach RPG
•Due to the open beta and efforts for M2E, we chose not to divide our attention and will not be pre-releasing Through the Breach at Gen Con. Kickstarter participants will receive an update after Gen Con.

Malifaux
Models are packaged with all upgrades specific to that model. Generic upgrades are in the Arsenal boxes.
•Malifaux, 2nd Edition (M2E) - $40 (Sep)
•Arsenal Boxes - $8 each (Sep)
•Note Each model is available ONLY in its primary faction. Three cards are provided for models which can be taken in multiple (unless the model is rare 2, then you get two).
•Guild Wave 1
•Resurrectionists Wave 1
•Arcanists Wave 1
•Neverborn Wave 1
•Outcasts Wave 1
•Gremlins Wave 1
•Ten Thunders Wave 1
•Minis - Crews
•The Guild's Judgement (Lady Justice Crew) - $45 (Sep)
•Shadows Of Redchapel (Seamus Crew) - $40 (Sep)
•Children of December (Rasputina Crew) - $45 (Oct)
•Mother of Monsters (Lilith Crew) - $40 (Oct)
•Hired Swords (Viktoria Crew) - $40 (Nov)
•Minis - Enforcers
•Death Marshals - $21 (Nov)
•Rotten Belles
•Ice Gamin - $15 (Nov)
•Terror Tots
•Ronin

Gen Con 2013 Convention Exclusives
Not sold anywhere after the convention has concluded.
•Nightmare Tara, Herald of Obliteration (+ Crew) - $80
•Miss Step - Steamborg Executioner - free with $100 purchase (Limit one per purchase.)

**spiralingcadaver**

Cool, good to hear that Miss Step is a freebie, the way it was advertised made it look like it was purchase as normal.

**Absolutionis**

$8 is very reasonable to get an entire faction's worth of cards to update to Mv2 and for people simply looking to get stats for a whole faction.

**Lalochezia**

Absolutionis wrote:
$8 is very reasonable to get an entire faction's worth of cards to update to Mv2 and for people simply looking to get stats for a whole faction.

Right?

You're the first person I've seen say this, here or anywhere else. I was pretty happy they got down to that price.

**Bossk_Hogg**

Absolutionis wrote:
$8 is very reasonable to get an entire faction's worth of cards to update to Mv2 and for people simply looking to get stats for a whole faction.

Its just the first wave, but still not terrible.

I noted they removed Through the Breach. I hope the canon game is still going on at least. My friend shelled out the $500 to be part of the games lore and be in the canon campaign event... I assume I would have heard about it if they cancelled it.

**Mathieu Raymond**

They could always have gone with Miss Management. Although they're still in my personal graces, and I've had naught but fun except this one game against my circle of friends' TFG...

**Alfndrate**

Lalochezia wrote:
Absolutionis wrote:
$8 is very reasonable to get an entire faction's worth of cards to update to Mv2 and for people simply looking to get stats for a whole faction.

Right?

You're the first person I've seen say this, here or anywhere else. I was pretty happy they got down to that price.

First time I've seen the price, I was expecting to shell out 12 to 15 for the decks. Now I must find more about 2nd ed that I enjoy besides the art and storyline. Eh no worries might hop over and see if I can't sneak a demo, if the henchmen in the exhibitor's hall need a practice run, PM and I'll walk over from the booth I'll be chained to

**cincydooley**

Looks like it'll be LadyJ and Dwcember with decks to get my Miss Step.

I'll have to consider the Tara box later in the con to see if its worth it.

Additionally, I'll be working for war store and am probably gonna have trouble spending my credit at their store (trying not to start anything new) so if Anyone is interested in trades, I'd be game.

**skrulnik**

So what exactly is included in the "Wave 1" Arsenal box?
Say I have the entire Guild Faction currently.
Which models will that $8 get me cards for?

**spiralingcadaver**

It sounds like you're getting most of the stuff that isn't dual faction/takable b/c cross faction

for instance, Lucius would be out because mcmourning and lucius can both take them with
guild hounds would be out because marcus could take them
constructs would be out because leveticus can take them

Is that the idea, Justin?

**WUWU**

skrulnik wrote:
So what exactly is included in the "Wave 1" Arsenal box?
Say I have the entire Guild Faction currently.
Which models will that $8 get me cards for?

Justice, Sonnia, and Perdita
Their standard crew models (family, witchling, death marshall, totems...)
Along with The Lone Marshall
Peacekeeper
Guild Guard
Austringer
Executioner
and the Gov's Proxy

You will also get the Guild specific upgrades

Guild in all is very similar to their Book 1 incarnations.

As far as I can tell