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 odinsgrandson wrote:

Awesome- do you happen to have a page number?

Seems to be 226.

   
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We've got the references:

Old fluff- Marines. Primarchs and the Emperor are human sized- with somewhat superhero proportions. Primarchs could pass as human, but they were clearly extra powerful.


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 odinsgrandson wrote:
I just reread the fluff on Wolf Guard Ranulf. I had thought it put him as "nearly as tall as Leman Russ" but it doesn't. The entry puts this dude as both taller and stronger than Russ.
As a side note- I found a picture of Ranult from the internet. It looks like an official GW photo, but I can't find the source on it. Does anyone here know where it comes from?


The story is probably just legend, or the Primarchs were still considered nothing extra in size at that time (Ranulf is from a 2000 WD). Or a combination of both.

The pic is apparently fan-made, though in GW style. Far as I can tell Ranulf is just a newer WG Termy kit, maybe with modded face, while the smaller termy is an old metal Wolf Guard. And the guy has put the new model on the older smaller base to make it seem even bigger.


I've got an older source on Ranulf's fluff and character- he's from the 2nd ed Codex Space Wolves- making him a 1994 special character (back when GW didn't feel the need to release a mini for all of their characters).

The Ranulf pictured looks like a newer terminator for the size comparison- but there are some things that look off about that- the eagle, for example, doesn't look like a newer kit (it is too big at the edges) and the area around Ranulf's head look soft (like a less professional sculptor made it). Also, the storm bolters look like they're exactly the same size on both of these minis (I haven't compared old storm bolters to newer ones).

He looks to me like a kit bash with a lot of original sculpting. It makes me wonder if it was a custom mini featured in a white dwarf at some point.

 
   
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 Ynneadwraith wrote:
 Selym wrote:


Correct answer: They're bigger than humans, easily matched by Orks and some Eldar, shorter than MC's.


Correct answer is correct (if dissatisfying for people who want to pin down a particular number). For all we know, one 'Imperial Foot' in the year 40,000 is actually 5mm, which puts Cadians at exactly 28mm tall and the models are, in fact, life-size

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Where Primarchs fit is probably variable, and these are also average heights so I'm sure there are particularly tall Marines (Alpha Legion) and short-ass Ogryns. Also, for the record, ~7.5" fits for Marines for me. I tire greatly of the fanwank of making them taller and taller and taller. I
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Just a quick q maybe you can fill out some of your idea for me. If average 7'6" marines are matched by average orks and eldar, how does that relate with modern humans globally being like 5'7", and still under 5'9" if you exclude everyone but fighting aged males?
   
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 Ynneadwraith wrote:
 Selym wrote:


Correct answer: They're bigger than humans, easily matched by Orks and some Eldar, shorter than MC's.


Correct answer is correct (if dissatisfying for people who want to pin down a particular number). For all we know, one 'Imperial Foot' in the year 40,000 is actually 5mm, which puts Cadians at exactly 28mm tall and the models are, in fact, life-size

Grot<Tau><Human><Ork/Eldar/Marine/Necron Warrior><Primaris/Nob/Necron Immortal><Ogryn

Where Primarchs fit is probably variable, and these are also average heights so I'm sure there are particularly tall Marines (Alpha Legion) and short-ass Ogryns. Also, for the record, ~7.5" fits for Marines for me. I tire greatly of the fanwank of making them taller and taller and taller. I
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Just a quick q maybe you can fill out some of your idea for me. If average 7'6" marines are matched by average orks and eldar, how does that relate with modern humans globally being like 5'7", and still under 5'9" if you exclude everyone but fighting aged males?
Take humans. Add 2-3 feet. That's the relation.

It's pretty simple.
   
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pelicaniforce wrote:
 Ynneadwraith wrote:
 Selym wrote:


Correct answer: They're bigger than humans, easily matched by Orks and some Eldar, shorter than MC's.


Correct answer is correct (if dissatisfying for people who want to pin down a particular number). For all we know, one 'Imperial Foot' in the year 40,000 is actually 5mm, which puts Cadians at exactly 28mm tall and the models are, in fact, life-size

Grot<Tau><Human><Ork/Eldar/Marine/Necron Warrior><Primaris/Nob/Necron Immortal><Ogryn

Where Primarchs fit is probably variable, and these are also average heights so I'm sure there are particularly tall Marines (Alpha Legion) and short-ass Ogryns. Also, for the record, ~7.5" fits for Marines for me. I tire greatly of the fanwank of making them taller and taller and taller. I
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Just a quick q maybe you can fill out some of your idea for me. If average 7'6" marines are matched by average orks and eldar, how does that relate with modern humans globally being like 5'7", and still under 5'9" if you exclude everyone but fighting aged males?


Well! That format hasn't worked as I'd hoped. Lets try a different thing. Descending in order of tallest to shortest:

Ogryn/Tyranid Warrior
Primaris/Nob/Immortal
Ork/Eldar/Marine/Necron Warrior
Human
Tau
Grot

You make a good point though, and something I was thinking. Everyone's assuming people in the 41st millennium are roughly 6ft tall. However, height is quite strongly correlated with a high energy diet. For instance, Napoleon at 5'6" was actually quite tall for his time (whereas me at the same is a bit of a short-arse!). Question is, do we think the population of the 41st millennium is well fed? I certainly don't.

The other thing to consider is that 'human' is pretty damn broad in the 41st millennium. People on high gravity worlds would be significantly shorter, and people on low gravity worlds/voidborn would probably be much taller. That's before you get into abhumans like Squats, Ratlings, Longshanks etc. 38,000 years under really quite strong selection pressures is more than enough time for humans to have evolved waaaay away from what we are now.

 Selym wrote:
Take humans. Add 2-3 feet. That's the relation.

It's pretty simple.


This I really like. So far, it's the only thing that actually takes into account that both humans and Marines are variable in height. (although I still think 9' tall Marines are plain silly). Looking at little size comparison charts people have made has sort of cleared that up for me. By far and away, my favourite is this:



The giant Terminator doesn't make a great deal of sense seeing as it's the same Marine inside that as the power armoured guy, so Terminator suits would have to incorporate platform heels that would make Disco Stu feel ashamed. Apart from that, everything seems to fit nicely. Tau slightly shorter than human. Eldar slightly taller (I'm fine with them splitting the difference between humans and Marines). Ork would be as big as a Marine, but doesn't stand upright. That's with humans at 6' and Marines at 7' 6"

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I like that chart too, it just feels right.

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I would have to say that size chart is the best one so far.

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Actually, looking at it again, I think this video provides the best overview and comparison of Space Marine heights compared to average humans, Custodians etc.

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 Iron_Captain wrote:
Actually, looking at it again, I think this video provides the best overview and comparison of Space Marine heights compared to average humans, Custodians etc.
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Something that I find very strange is the way that so many fans here add half a foot to the average marine's height.

GW is currently rather consistent at labeling them 7' tall (Black Library is another matter, putting them at minimum 8 ft tall). Neither of those references justify a 7'6" marine average.

The only official reference that uses 7'6" is Jess Goodwin- and he puts 7'6" as the upper limit to marine height (his statement makes marines between 7 and 7.5 and a half feet tall). So while a 7'6" marine is possible, he is tall- probably tall without being freakish, while an 8 ft tall marine would be freakishly tall.



I just see no justification for people continually creating the myth of the average 7'6" marine, but it seems to prevail among fans and fan art.

 
   
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'Cause marines need 3" heels? Or elevator boots?

Actually, the references to height either do not specify whether they're in armor or out of it, or they specify 'in armor (the image references all show marines in armor- sometimes labeling the height at the top of his head crest as 7'). Just like the fans, GW and BL want to give us the armored average size.


But there's this odd consistency. There are a lot of fans who either add half a foot to the GW numbers, or subtract anywhere from half a foot to two feet from the Black Library numbers. Even though not a one of them gives us a 7'6" average.




I've thought about this way too much, so here are three theories as to why people think 7'6" is the 'average' size.


1- People are reading 7' to mean any height starting with 7'- so 7'-7'11'. The same psychological phenomenon that makes 79.99 seem more like $70- except in this case, it is reversed, because our bias wants marines to be larger.


2- People are probably trying to pull a compromise between the Black Library and GW numbers (which absolutely do not match). GW says that marines are 7' and BL says that marines are at least 8' tall. Fans who aren't too attached to one side or the other probably just average all the numbers they hear at 7'6" The fact that GW doesn't often put marine height into their core books makes the numbers become a sort of hearsay anyway.


3- All Space Marines are Above Average, so any "Average" number given is clearly an indication of the lowest possible height for a marine., making the believed average necessarily larger. If this is the case, then over time, it will create a sort of scale creep to the marines (ie. once 7'6" is accepted as the "Average," then exceptional marines will have to get taller).

While this is a funny idea, I think it does match the presentation. There are marines whose height is not mentioned, and marines who are exceptionally tall (like Ranulf). But there aren't ever any notably short space marines.

Now, let's say that 7' is the average size, and there's variance from there. If we think it varies from there, then it is perfectly fine for a taller marine to be 7'6"- but only if it is acceptable for a marine to be 6'6". Given how people react when I say marines average 6'10"... I have my doubts that any 6'6" marine can be acceptable to fans.

Or anyone in GW's book, for that matter. Even their game rules define "average" statlines as popcorn for xenos/chaos. Do they have shorter than average special characters? Not a one- but there are plenty that are super tall.

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3" soles would be perfectly reasonable. Armour plating plus grip pads. Or, hell, 2" soles and a 4" crest on the helmet above the head. Perfectly reasonable (although, as you mention, apparently without source).

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I do get the impression that the wild inconsistency in the information given is so that you can essentially pick and choose yourself. Nothing has been stressed to be more canon than anything else and since you don't know which of it is propaganda - if any - I see no other way to reconcile the values than simple preference.

I know I have my preference - not quite as big as ADB's 3m marines but still a good 9' (2.78m or thereabouts). I really love that 'half again the height of a man' description from The Last Detail and have built a mental image using that as a reference point. It is exactly what I feel is right grimdark for 40k; this is a war of gigantic post-human warriors and sanity-rending horrors, and this is the war the common man with a flashlight is sent into!

A picture I assembled years ago to illustrate my impression, spoilered because absolutely humongous:
Spoiler:


In hindsight the ork boy should be a bit bigger but it's not something I can change now unfortunately (not at home this week).

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I know why there are inconsistencies- the fluff was written by a large group of people who come and go. A lot of the people who were in charge of the older fluff aren't there anymore.

It used to be a standing GW policy not to clean up the edges of the fluff- Andy Chambers said as much when he pulled the bits of fluff about the C'tan for the Necrons.


But look over the references and try to put them in order:

- RT- Marines become super soldiers without becoming taller. They even released a Leman Russ mini that wasn't taller than your average RT marine.

That continued throughout the 2nd edition- Marines might be tall because only the homeworld's best population was ever selected for the geneseed, but there was no indication that they were inhuman in their height- even Primarchs weren't portrayed as being particularly large.



- During the 3rd ed, the Black Library starts up. Dan Abnett (and others) start portraying marines as super giants. Please note- this wasn't true before the BL. BL readers are the ones who are most into the fluff. They start taking the BL fiction as correct and insist to the general fandom that all of the miniatures and artwork misrepresent marine height.

- In the 4th ed, White Dwarf fights back. The Movie Space Marine article states that BL fluff is all propaganda and non-cannon. It presents us with super-amazing over the top marines- and says they're 7 ft tall as part of the exaggeration.

- However, since the guardians of the fluff are now all Dan Abmett fans, the fandom embraces the idea that BL presents real space marines, while the official game rules, artwork, minis and fluff are incorrect.
As BL marines get to be bigger and bigger, GW proper embraces the 7 ft figure whenever it comes up, but they don't make opportunities for it to come up.

- In the 6th ed Chaos Codex, for the FIRST TIME in any core codex or rulebook, a height is given for Space Marines. They're 7 ft tall. For the previous 25 years, you could read ever codex and every core book for fluff on Space Marines and never know that they were taller than humans.


Remember- the official fluff writers for GW are far from consistent throughout the years, so it isn't like one guy changing his mind.

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But consider that GW could at any point rein in ADB and his 3m marine shenanigans should they so desire.

That they do not implies a level of acceptance.

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You're right, it does imply a level of acceptance.

Or it denotes a level of ignorance or apathy.

For example, I knew a lot of people who got into the Star Wars Expanded Universe in the '90s. They claimed to know all about how the Clone Wars were about people trying to clone Jedi, along with stories of the "light" side of the force that was separate from the stuff in the films.

At the time, I told them that none of that was cannon, but they assured me that absolutely every word in the EU went through George Lucas, and he made sure that it would fit with the prequels.

Then, episode 1, midichlorians and such... well, you know how that went.


To be perfectly honest, game companies seldom have much in the way of continuity editors. All together, their fiction editors are usually not up to industry standards, so I think that they're not terribly likely to go through the books and look for references to Marine heights so that they can reign them all in.

Especially since half of the characters in the books are special snowflakes anyway (who are allowed to be especially tall, but are absolutely never notably short).

Andy Chambers and Rick Priestly told us about how the fluff doesn't really need to all fit together that well anyway. If that's what you value then it would explain why we have a completely inconsistent picture of what their most popular miniatures lines should look like.

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I really do not feel like Star Wars vs its EU is the same as Black Library vs the codices and campaign books of main GW.

Star wars (well, until Disney anyway...) has a canon tier system that GW does not have.

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 Ashiraya wrote:

Star wars (well, until Disney anyway...) has a canon tier system that GW does not have.


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 odinsgrandson wrote:

As a side note- I found a picture of Ranult from the internet. It looks like an official GW photo, but I can't find the source on it. Does anyone here know where it comes from?



(the pic is clearly meant to show scale on Ranulf- and remember, Russ is shorter than Ranulf here).


That photo is legit GW, taken from a White Dwarf. I may still have a copy of it. The featured article is about the collection of either a studio member or someone connected, iirc. I'll try to dig it up if I find a little time.

Edit: Weird. It was literally the first old WD I picked up, top of the pile. Issue 185, pg. WD56 Artist is Kim Syberg, who was, at the time, a member of the 'Eavy Metal painting team.

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Thank you so much, I have added that to the references. I thought too many details were off for it to simply be one of the newer terminators (the eagle crest is too large, and there's a sort of softness to the detailing right above his head). Nothing that couldn't be greenstuffed of course, but there's not a lot of point if the normal plastic terminator kit will do.

Personally, I started playing during the Rogue Trader era (I started out with Space Crusade and Advance Space Crusade, and bought 2nd ed opening day). That is after the fluff started solidifying well, but well before the Black Library, Necrons, and Tau.

Part of me wants to make a conversion of Ranalf to make him current. I think I'd need to start out with Robout Guillian to get him large enough (and his stats are really just a vet sergeant). I'd probably want to give him a walrus head like this one.

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I like that chart too, it just feels right.
Yeah. Orks would be as tall as Marines if they ever stopped hunching over. But hunched over is their default stance, presumably built in to their biology.

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Interestingly, Ork scale creep was canonized in the 3rd edition.

I believe that was in the 3rd ed core book.

 
   
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So- there has been some major fluff upheaval since I started collecting sources.

Do we have any newer references to Marine heights?

And do we have any proper numbers on how tall Primaris Marines are?

GW seems to be upscaling marines across the baord right now (new Chaos Marine minis seem to be larger than their older counterparts) but they've been doing that with every race in their other games (Age of Sigmar, Necromunda, Blood Bowl).

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Since we've been talking about sizes of primarchs as well, I think it is useful to add in a few of those references.

I'd like to get page numbers on them, but I know that the 2nd ed Codex Ultramarines states that Marneus Calgar's power fists were used by Robout Guilliman (having been taken from a chaos champion he killed). So Calgar's hands are comparably sized with Guilliman's.

Also, in Angels of Death, Commander Dante is wearing the Death Mask of Sanguinious (indicating that Sanguinious' head was not monstrously larger than Dante's).

Those are concrete examples that clearly indicate that marines aren't smaller than Primarchs.

 
   
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Well Guilliman was a pencil pusher and Calgars a bit of a brute, never mind that the gauntlets are a chaos artifact so they probably shrink and enlarge depending on who puts what where. You know usual khaos shenanigans.

The difference between a 7ft guy and a 5ft guys head isnt monstrously different either. It could be over sized for Dante. Slap a extra inch or 2 for padding, sensors, Dante might just have a tiny head.
   
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 odinsgrandson wrote:
Since we've been talking about sizes of primarchs as well, I think it is useful to add in a few of those references.

I'd like to get page numbers on them, but I know that the 2nd ed Codex Ultramarines states that Marneus Calgar's power fists were used by Robout Guilliman (having been taken from a chaos champion he killed). So Calgar's hands are comparably sized with Guilliman's.

Also, in Angels of Death, Commander Dante is wearing the Death Mask of Sanguinious (indicating that Sanguinious' head was not monstrously larger than Dante's).

Those are concrete examples that clearly indicate that marines aren't smaller than Primarchs.

Also, the Lion Helm looks like a regular sized marine helmet. Giant Primarchs is a relatively recent BL invention.

   
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 odinsgrandson wrote:
Ok, Space Marine sizes have been something of a strange bit of fluff. People I talk to say the size of a marine is anywhere between six and twelve feet tall. I'm pretty sure that both Games Workshop and the fandom have been pretty inconsistent about the average Space Marine height, so I'd like to compile a list of references, along with the sizes that they each claim a Space Marine to be.

Please add any references you can find that tell us how tall Space Marines are. I'm going to be looking through my old books and see if I can find references there as well.

Here are the sources for Space Marine height we've gathered so far:



210 cm - (a little over 6'10" or 7 foot exactly if you use a 1 inch=2.5 cm conversion) Games Workshop competition (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Competition?_requestid=15836007) probably the most recent reference (February 2015)

2.1m and 7' Image to go along with the competition- clearly showing that 7ft is exactly the same as 2.1 meters (in the grim darkness of the far future, math is simple).

7 foot tall - White Dwarf 300, p134 "Space Marines in the Movies"

"half as tall again as the man in front of him" - Paul Kearny, The Last Detail, p94- calculates at a little under 9 ft. tall depending on the height of the man in question.

7' tall- 6th edition Chaos Codex, p36

Barely under 8' tall - Black Library Weekender scale picture: http://i.imgur.com/6jjsiar.jpg

7 feet -Jess Goodwin's picture of a 1/1 scale space marine The head is at 8 feet, ground is at 1 foot.

Two and a half meters tall and taller or 8'2"+ -Dan Abnett, Horus Rising- description of Gavriel Loken and two other marines who are taller

"...well over two metres tall..." ie. above 6'7" - Xenos, page 171, Dan Abnett; from a description of The Emperor's Children Chaos Marine, Mandragore.

7'-7'6"- Jess Goodwin, Design Philosophy IV

210 cm - DeathWatch RPG, p28

Over 7'4"- Dan Abnett, Ravenor- compiled from several references to a 7'4" woman who is described as being nearly Astartes height

Approaching 3 Meters Tall/ Close to 3 Meters Tall- Aaron Dembski-Bowden Night Lords Omnibus pp 459, 494

"...a general increase in the size of the recipient's skeleton."- White Dwarf 98, February 1988 description of effects of Ossmodula. Possibly the first reference to size increase in Astartes.

No suggestion of increased height in Space Marine Physique- Rick Priestly and Andy Chambers, "The Physique of a Space Marine" Codex Imperialis 1993 p18. (the Ossmodula merely increases bone strength in this version).

7'2" Promotional material for THQ's video game: "Space Marine."

Human Sized- can be shorter as shown in artwork Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader p226 Contrast that against THQ's presentation in Space Marine


"Larger in girth and mightier of arm than even Leman Russ" (2nd ed Codex Space Wolves p. 67). A studio converted mini for Ranulf was featured in White Dwarf (#185, pg. 56- sculpt by Kim Syberg) Entry for Wolf Guard Ranulf- a Wolf Guard Leader with a less than impressive statline (he wasn't killing any greater daemons anytime soon). It should be noted that this predates fluff turning the primarchs into giants.



Primarch Size References

The Primarchs seem to have grown even more than the Space Marines over time. Let's get some size references for them:


Leman Russ was considered large, but he was not the largest of the Space Wolves (2nd ed Codex Space Wolves p. 67)


Roboute Guilliman can use the same power fists as normal marines 2nd ed Codex: Ultramarines, 72 and Guantlets of Ultramar Wargear card.

A cast of Sanguinius's face can be worn by marines, indicating that they're about the same size- - 2nd ed Codex Angels of DeathDeath, Mask of Sanguinius wargear card


You are forgetting that the Horus Heresy novels say that Marines are 10 foot tall.
   
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regarding primarch head sizes, Gulliman's head on his mini doesn't apper to be any bigger then a space Marines head, the size differances of the HEADS might be pretty minimal.

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BrianDavion wrote:
regarding primarch head sizes, Gulliman's head on his mini doesn't apper to be any bigger then a space Marines head, the size differances of the HEADS might be pretty minimal.


Well I wouldn't use the game as evidence as its not to scale, but I would assume like with growth hormones, when body builders take growth hormones everything grows, even their organs, so I would imagine that the same is true for the process of growth that happens with space marines, it would be odd to have growth that was pinpointed in areas more than they are in others, just from a biological way, but from a genomics kind of way, the Emperor did fine tune them, so he could have thought that, the Primarchs don't need massive heads, which is actually reasonable because brain size matters the bigger you are, as the dinosaurs had to have little brains because their heads were so massive as the neck wouldn't be able to hold it, due to the fact that brains are so dense (no pun intended), but space marines go through the more biological growth hormone way as they aren't born marines they go through a process of becoming marines.

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