The next two months of games workshop releases. First post updated.

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**loki old fart**

Nevelon wrote:
adamsouza wrote:
Turret, Side pontoons, no transport capacity.. doens't that make it a Predator Variant, instead of a Razorback ?

Lack of AV13 front plate pushes it closer to Razor then Pred IMHO, but it’s definitely in a gray zone.

It's not as if someone could load up on preds and take these as dedicated transports. Is it.

**MadCowCrazy**

unmercifulconker wrote:
So.......yall got any more of dem december leaks???

**Coldhatred**

I wish they'd announce what the Christmas deals will be. My family is already starting their Christmas shopping. By the time they announce anything that I might want it will be too late for me! :(

**unmercifulconker**

BoLS rumour mentions the mega bundles might be up for pre-order November 18th. Hope so as its a logical move. Christmas deals but gives people enough time to get them sorted for well....Christmas.

**ERJAK**

unmercifulconker wrote:
BoLS rumour mentions the mega bundles might be up for pre-order November 18th. Hope so as its a logical move. Christmas deals but gives people enough time to get them sorted for well....Christmas.

They also said they'd be Sylvaneth and Khorne Bloodbound for sigmar which would be no bueno :(. Want me some more sigmarines!

**lord_blackfang**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
If Rubricae are slow, tough, shooty, Tzangors could be cheap, fast CC to balance them out.

You say this as if you didn't know GW's idea of a themed army is to force all units into the same battlefield role. I bet you Tzeengors are T4, 4++, 18" Storm Bolters with Soul Blaze, no melee worth speaking of, 25-30ish pts.

**unmercifulconker**

I'd love a Seraphon bundle but the Sylavneth are a lovely range and their latest Order army especially with the new format of Battletome so makes sense to choose them I suppose.

Sigmarites would be good but I dunno, reckon more people would be slightly disappointed to have more of the guys that are in every starter set and bundle, which is why I wish the Chaos wasn't Bloodbound but again makes sense since they are the latest model range for Chaos and Reavers are awesome.

Death will probably be more Flesh Eaters but hope its a mixture. It would be nice if Destruction had a mix of everything, couple of Beastclaws, loads of Bonesplitter infantry and elite Ironjawz.

**Hulksmash**

I'm hoping we get a Ironjawz and Sylvaneth ones. Hopefully focussing on the new models in both. So Kurnoth and Tree spirits in the Sylvaneth and Brutes/Gore-Gruntas/Dude on giant waddle dragon for Ironjawz

**MadCowCrazy**

I've been talking with the local shop about taking over their Warhammer section of the store since they want to stop stocking Warhammer. Owner told me November and December are the biggest months in terms of rushed sales. Nov 18th might be a bit late for announcing big deals.

**Daedalus81**

Nvs wrote:
I'm getting goosebumps waiting for this release.

I honestly can't wait to start a Thousand Sons army with official rules that may finally be competitive again like 3.5 was. If the Tzaangors are nothing more than Tzeentch themed cultists I'll be happy if the rest of the stuff comes true.

Please just let the rules be competitive too!

I'd rather they be competitive in the new edition. Whatever that looks like.

**unmercifulconker**

MadCowCrazy wrote:
I've been talking with the local shop about taking over their Warhammer section of the store since they want to stop stocking Warhammer. Owner told me November and December are the biggest months in terms of rushed sales. Nov 18th might be a bit late for announcing big deals.

Well the rumour did say it might either be 18th for release or pre-order so we could see them up this weekend. I just thought it would just be Blood Bowl this week and 18th pre-order for the deals would be preferred for GW.

**Coldhatred**

18 November is still kind of late, IMO. Maybe it's just my family that sorts things out a little earlier than others, I guess.

**unmercifulconker**

Oh haha see what you mean, yeah its better to get Crimbo shopping done as soon as possible unless you are buying for people who can't decide what they want.

**angelofvengeance**

From the Warhammer 40,000 FB page

**NinthMusketeer**

Brilliant!

**GoatboyBeta**

He gets my vote

**unmercifulconker**

All we need now is some Magnus Cider.

**loki old fart**

Did my christmas shopping in april. This will be a little treat just for me.

**MadCowCrazy**

loki old fart wrote:
Did my christmas shopping in april. This will be a little treat just for me.

If Sisters rumours are true I will be doing my Christmas shopping in Jan

**ERJAK**

MadCowCrazy wrote:
loki old fart wrote:
Did my christmas shopping in april. This will be a little treat just for me.

If Sisters rumours are true I will be doing my Christmas shopping in Jan

If sisters come out, the preorder date becomes the day I celebrate christmas from now on.

**unmercifulconker**

Natfka:
"via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
I can confirm at least Magnus and Plastic Sisters in December
not sure which plastic SoB kit(s) would be in December so I can't confirm the Cannoness part."

Wolfgang Piranhafishthethird on Natfka comments section (Not sure if he's a regular rumour guy or something, people seem to be happy?):
"The SOB rumour isn't confused with SOS! Had that confirmed at Warhammer World. As and when the plastic SOS are released will be alongside the other plastics in the Prospero box, ala the Calth models release.
For the doubters - YES! it is plastic SOB coming and about bleeding time. As to the exact date I am led to believe a teaser will be out in December for early Jan release, but time will tell!"

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/confirmations-for-december-releases.html

I had a dream last night where I saw the December WD cover and it had the current daemon prince painted tzeentch and the old metal sorcerors, no new models, it made me very angry.

**angelofvengeance**

I'll believe it when Sad Panda or Atia say so.

**Azazelx**

Yodhrin wrote:
jah-joshua wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
It's very cool that they're doing stuff like this; all the community projects, conversion tutorials, and house rules were what made the old GW websites great. It's just a shame the new webstore design is so pish that all such efforts are hidden away in a one-per-page-no-scrolling blog.

1.the calendar on the left side of the blog clicks to each day's entry...
2.it's dead easy to use the new webstore, as long as you go in without preconceived notions of what they should have done

cheers
jah

1. Those sorts of widgets are supposed to be a supplementary method of browsing for people who already know what they want to find and when it was posted, not the sole method of interacting with the content, and double-triple-quadrupal-especially not when the basic design only shows one article at a time rather than having an endless scroll or multiple articles displayed at once with a "previous/back" link at the bottom and doesn't even provide a search function.

2. Look man, I get that you have this whole positive vibes it's all good brah thing going on, but this kind of absolute relativism is just silly. Web design has industry standards for usability and discoverability for a reason - they work and they work well, and the GW website is objectively badly designed - completely illogical page reloads, jumping back to the title screen if you reselect your country, having to manually deselect options rather than having the normal system where clicking a tickbox saves your selection while clicking the link moves from one selection to the next, and of course the blog system that lacks functionality that was available on random internet blogging platforms for teenagers 15 years ago.

You're right though, the problem is my "preconceived notions" of what the website should be - I have the mad "preconceived notion" that it be designed competently

EDIT: To illustrate what I mean, a little thought experiment:

The year is 2022, a person you're introducing to the hobby elects to play Space Marines and you vaguely recall a really cool fan vehicle conversion that the GW web team gave rules too years ago you'd like to show them, but don't remember its name, subfaction, or when it was posted: how do you find the rules for the Razorback Rikarius? There's no searchable archive of content, no listing of content by faction or type, and you don't have enough information to parse a general internet search successfully, so, what; ask around and hope someone else remembers or has a copy saved? Manually browse back through thousands of blog posts, one at a time, using the calendar widget?

Yeah, exactly - bad design.

Here you go:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/707862.page

**RoboDragon**

Assuming the Thousand Sons full release will be with Magnus in December?

**Binabik15**

ERJAK wrote:
unmercifulconker wrote:
BoLS rumour mentions the mega bundles might be up for pre-order November 18th. Hope so as its a logical move. Christmas deals but gives people enough time to get them sorted for well....Christmas.

They also said they'd be Sylvaneth and Khorne Bloodbound for sigmar which would be no bueno :(. Want me some more sigmarines!

So soon? And Bloodbound? I was expecting them later and maybe an army or two without a SC set. I just wired money for a normal BB from Wayland. My luck, eh.

**Warhams-77**

RoboDragon wrote:
Assuming the Thousand Sons full release will be with Magnus in December?

Yes it is

**bomtek80**

I'm waiting more for the Thousand Sons release in February from the Inferno book. I wants my legion rules already!

**Kid_Kyoto**

Did the arrival of plastic Battle Sisters cause the Trump election?

Or vice versa?

Discuss.

**Dysartes**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Did the arrival of plastic Battle Sisters cause the Trump election?

Or vice versa?

Discuss.

In either case, correlation does not imply causation.

**jah-joshua**

Yodhrin wrote:
jah-joshua wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
It's very cool that they're doing stuff like this; all the community projects, conversion tutorials, and house rules were what made the old GW websites great. It's just a shame the new webstore design is so pish that all such efforts are hidden away in a one-per-page-no-scrolling blog.

the calendar on the left side of the blog clicks to each day's entry...
it's dead easy to use the new webstore, as long as you go in without preconceived notions of what they should have done

cheers
jah

1. Those sorts of widgets are supposed to be a supplementary method of browsing for people who already know what they want to find and when it was posted, not the sole method of interacting with the content, and double-triple-quadrupal-especially not when the basic design only shows one article at a time rather than having an endless scroll or multiple articles displayed at once with a "previous/back" link at the bottom and doesn't even provide a search function.

2. Look man, I get that you have this whole positive vibes it's all good brah thing going on, but this kind of absolute relativism is just silly. Web design has industry standards for usability and discoverability for a reason - they work and they work well, and the GW website is objectively badly designed - completely illogical page reloads, jumping back to the title screen if you reselect your country, having to manually deselect options rather than having the normal system where clicking a tickbox saves your selection while clicking the link moves from one selection to the next, and of course the blog system that lacks functionality that was available on random internet blogging platforms for teenagers 15 years ago.

You're right though, the problem is my "preconceived notions" of what the website should be - I have the mad "preconceived notion" that it be designed competently

EDIT: To illustrate what I mean, a little thought experiment:

The year is 2022, a person you're introducing to the hobby elects to play Space Marines and you vaguely recall a really cool fan vehicle conversion that the GW web team gave rules too years ago you'd like to show them, but don't remember its name, subfaction, or when it was posted: how do you find the rules for the Razorback Rikarius? There's no searchable archive of content, no listing of content by faction or type, and you don't have enough information to parse a general internet search successfully, so, what; ask around and hope someone else remembers or has a copy saved? Manually browse back through thousands of blog posts, one at a time, using the calendar widget?

Yeah, exactly - bad design.

i pointed out here it is possible to find older blog posts, nothing more...

the GW website works fine for me, and i enjoy it, but i have no background in web design, or preconceived notions of how they should be designed...
that was not a personal attack on you...

cheers
jah