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So much nostalgia.
led to me digging up my IA13 book and loo and behold a full plate elite mechanized list dropped out....

how close i came to fullfill that null deployment outflanking mechanised force....

so close...

Thanks for the input all. As we're using ProHammer there are a few rule impacts to keep in mind:

ALL units can assault after deepstriking, but if they do so, they lose their charge bonus. Also, we have reactive fire so you might take some hits when charging in.

Units can likewise charge after disembarking from moving transports (but again lose the charge bonus). Assault vehicles don't cause the charge bonus loss.

Vehicle damage tables are at a sweet spot IMHO. There are no Hull Points, but you need a 7+ to destroy a vehicle on a glance and 6+ on a penetrating hit (7+ explodes on penetrating). The rub is that if a vehicle has suffered a prior damaged result (weapon destroyed, etc.) then you add +1 to the result. The result is that vehicles are fairly tanky in the first turn or two, but once start taking damage are more likely to get destroyed.

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Anyway, I made a few tweaks to the list:

I used flying possessed instead of the chosen on cavalry. They don't get the extra toughness (but that didn't help much anyway) but pick up a 5++ save. Flying gives me the option to deep strike (all jump pack units have deep strike) or deploy at the start. Jump troops are easier to hide than Calvary as well.

Made the Lord with demonic stature with d. strength too (and aura), so he'll have S8 on the attack (4 + 1 + 1 +2 for dark sword).

The possessed saved a bunch of points, so I could give the dreadnoughts blastmasters for more fire support and also give the predator posssesed.

The list has 7 blastmasters... which feels right.

A.T. wrote:

 aphyon wrote:
The points may add up but they are very much worth it (unless you are fighting 3rd ed grey knights the true lore counter codex).

A 'competitive' 3e GK list would be what, 2-3 landraiders, a couple of las/missile dreads, a few scoring PAGK squads and the grand masters retinue with a mix of swords and hammers?

You'd definitely want the extra armour and instant death immunity against that. Or a couple of meltaguns and a second game lined up, 3e DH was not the strongest of books.

The thing is the 3rd ed GK codex is designed based on the lore. it does one thing really really well-fight chaos aligned or demon armies out of the 3.5 codex. so while you can make a stand alone GK army it really works best as an allied force attached to another imperial force. sisters, marines, guard etc...they have special allies rules that allow them to join another imperial force in a way the normal allies rules do not.

Fitting in with the fact they show up where they are most needed to aid imperial forces against the forces of chaos/demonic incursions.

One of our guard players is building a thematic inquisitorial storm trooper army out of the book because he always wanted a pure storm trooper army and he has the added bonus of tossing in some GK units to bolster his effectively elite imperial guard army.

ALL units can assault after deepstriking, but if they do so, they lose their charge bonus. Also, we have reactive fire so you might take some hits when charging in.

Units can likewise charge after disembarking from moving transports (but again lose the charge bonus). Assault vehicles don't cause the charge bonus loss.

Since we are still using mostly pure 5th we like the restrictions on deepstrike and non-assault vehicles. it makes the units that can do those things maintain their very special place. like zagstruk, or vanguard veterans, dreads in lucius drop pods etc..

 aphyon wrote:
it does one thing really really well-fight chaos aligned or demon armies out of the 3.5 codex.

I used to play a lot of DH/WH lists and you kind of had to 'surprise' an opponent with that stuff. Almost all of the anti-daemon stuff was extra wargear you wouldn't take in an all-comers list and in a one-off game it was hundreds of points down the drain if the opponent turned up with vindicators, obliterators, and so on.
A single squad of GKT was about as far as i'd go with them for the psychic hood, but that was more useful against normal marines and eldar who didn't get unlimited respawning troops as a result of you taking a single allied-in unit...

WH/DH in 5th edition could run a mean parking lot though. You'd run out of units to take somewhere around 1500pts without inducted guard (similar to how the old 3e glass jaw dark eldar lists ran out of good picks as the points went up), but it was wall to wall rhinos, BS4 plasma/melta guns, twinlinked heavy flamers.

I have a truckload of hate directed at the baby carrier codex (5th) It made the GKs something they were never meant to be. i feel the same way about my witch hunters codex. real sisters of battle use the 3rd edition codex.....

Kharn did nothing wrong.

ETA: hope your army is ready to sacrifice more blood this Saturday.

Gore Child’s Teeth wrote:
Kharn did nothing wrong.

ETA: hope your army is ready to sacrifice more blood this Saturday.

That sounds like more "winning"

Some more 5th ed fun and a bit of lazy gaming.

I am currently building up my mechanicus force and i am tired of painting so i have been subbing in some AT 43 therian forces for my mechanicus units

my temp list (unitl i get my cataphron destroyer stand ins next week to replace the ironstriders and one of the infiltraitor squads)-

HQ tech preist dominus
troops
2X3 cataphron breachers
FAST
assault drill
X2 ironstriders
ELITES
X2 infintriators
Heavy
X3 dune crawlers (2 neutron laser/X1 icarus)



Super heavy detachment (i am playing the lucius FW afterall )
Macharius

This game i went up against my old choas adversary in defense of a forge outpost-


We ended up rolling the end to end deployment and as we got a late start(so many games being played tonight) we opted for a quick and dirty kill them all scenerio.

The game was pretty close throughout with chaos really tuning things in the last round by causing the macharius to detonate in an apocalyptic explosion killing units on both sides.

That was a fun match, the super heavy detonation was the moral victory for me.

You all have me interested in digging out my old chaos 3.5 codex again and playing a few games of oldhammer. can you remind me which core rulesbook works best with this codex? I am presuming the 3rd edition one?

 The Forgemaster wrote:
You all have me interested in digging out my old chaos 3.5 codex again and playing a few games of oldhammer. can you remind me which core rulesbook works best with this codex? I am presuming the 3rd edition one?

We are actually using core 5th because it has the best overall rule set. with the 15 house(imported) rules noted in the first post in this topic

(re-posted here)

.rapid fire weapon rules (6th/7th)
.snap fire(6th/7th)
.new weapon profiles(grav etc..)(6th/7th)
.overwatch(6th/7th)
.objective secure-troops choice(6th/7th)
.CCW AP value(6th/7th)
.grenade throwing(6th/7th)
.fearless-no LD checks(3rd)
.3+ reserves(6th/7th)
.flyer rules(7th+5th/forge world flyer rules)-jump units can assault, -12" range penalty for guns, immobilize result= destroyed
.4th edition vehicle assault rules-to-hit +armor facing= auto/4+/6+=not move/move up to 6"/move over 6"
.6th edition smash for MCs(half attacks rounded up max S 10)
.psyker powers used when in the proper phase(shooting attacks in shooting phase, melee in CC etc..) on lD check/selecting the known powers available at the start of the game as per 5th ed rules-includes all 7th edition disciplines.
.snipers-strength 3 always hits on 2+/wounds on 4+/rending on 6+ (3rd/4th)
.defensive weapons on vehicles-S5 or less do not count as heavy weapons if the vehicle moves at combat speed (and is not stunned/shaken)-4th

we don't use the wargear points restriction limit for characters or pay extra for normal kit-frag and krak-because they were removed/became automatic in 5th.


The goal was to make the game both as fun as possible and as lore accurate as possible.

So the big question is which of the chaos gods do you server or do you serve them undivided?

Cool, thanks, back then I tried several different legions, although I was fond of Night Lords or just a mix of misc. warbands (i.e. not a particular legion), I only really did small games at the time due to only starting my collection(s) at that point.

Well the nice thing about that codex is options. you can do some serious fun with dedicated or undivided armies.

One memorable battle i did was aginst a guy running an actual black legion force than was led by abaddon and he had khorne berserkers, noise marines, plague marines, thousand sons and summoned demons in the list.

We started this game at about 7:30 am....so i had been at the store since 2:30PM the previous afternoon. since lots of stuff was going on the entire night we deciided to just do another quick and dirty game because of how long we had been there.

This was a bit of a rematch from the game posted earlier in this topic.

I have changed the list up a bit loosing the 2 iron striders, and the small squad of infiltrators for a full 6 man squad of cataphron destroyers with heavy grave cannons and a cognis flamers.

The remade list
HQ
domius
TROOP
X6 breachers
X6 destroyers
ELITE
.X10 infiltrators
FAST
.assault drill
HEAVY
.X2 dunecrawler W/neutron laser
.X1 dunecrawlwe w/icarus array
SUPERHEAVY DETACHMENT
.macharius



This time around he did not mishap his obliterators to their death. although one squad got repositioned


Once again killing those chaos gifted predators proved to be nearly impossible with my dice rolling but the real game changer was the grav cannons making short work of all his infantry units since he was running tactical marines and obliterators.

The centerpiece model of the macharius fits the theme (i play lucius FW where they are built) and looks really cool, but it really didn't add much to this battle being little more than glorified double leman russ MBT.

The game went to turn 6 with admech pulling off a win.

I should have lost a few more units....but odd dice rolls happen.

Back for a bit more fun in a different direction

Hybrid 5th ed where the actual tau come out to defend a tau world.

Since i only had a 4X4 of the tau city we ended up using the entire 8ft table
the game 2K points, 5 objectives-tie breakers first blood, slay the warlord, linebreaker.

Codexes used
.admech 7th ed
VS
.tau 4th ed

We ended up using quite a few proxies to get the tau army up and running at 2K points with 6 crisis suits playing the part of broadsides and the other 2 suits being used as commanders r'myr and r'alai

we rolled up the end to end deployment and the game started like this




Our reserves arrive







The game nears it's end






In the end it was a tie with both sides scoring 2 objectives with 1 tie breaker on either side.

The next game was another table split end to end. facing iron warriors with a single center objective .

The chaos player managed to park some obliterators on the objective VIA deepstrike. and castled his army around them. to fend off the tau

We did a little something fun

An old school 5th ed kill teams game with a twist.-bug hunt


Each player had 250 points using the old rules to build a kill team to fight each others, a 5th player takes the combined points value of 1k for all the other players and throws down a tyranid force.;..that's right an tyranid invasion in the middle of this.

The 4 players were marines, skitarii, imperial guard and tyranids (different hive fleet)


It was a load of fun and the nids managed to keep all the other players off the objective but at a high cost.

Got some more multi-player kill team.

This time around we did a 3 objective match with one true objective, 2 bombs and mysterious terrain.

The matchup was harlequins, orks, salamanders, iron hands and skitarii.


It was a fun little battle. my librarian gained horrible scars so now he causes fear, one of my sternguard was wounded by the iron hands kill team and now has hatred for them...additionally he also took a -1 initiative penalty. my scout also gained hatred for the specific skitarii that wounded him.


The table



The opening round






And much closer to the end (turn 4 of 5, we rolled random game length and turn 5 is where it ended with an eldar victroy)

Eclectic mix of terrain.

Where's the mat from?

Can we get spoiler tags on excessive image posts? This thread damn near locks up my phone and makes navigating at work problematic at best.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Eclectic mix of terrain.

Where's the mat from?

Well kill teams really requires so much more terrain than a normal game so we try to fill in the space as much as possible.

As far as the mat goes, trying to remember, i thought it was a FLG mat or tablewar but i cannot find it there anymore. it may have been discontinued.

I also checked gamemateu and pworks workshop and didn't see it there either.

Now i am really glad i picked it up

I mainly got it for infinity to play paradesio because it was semi rural with some ruin outpost footing blocks

Just Tony wrote:Can we get spoiler tags on excessive image posts? This thread damn near locks up my phone and makes navigating at work problematic at best.

Sorry about that, i will try and do that in the future, i usually post after i get back from the game store when i am half awake from being up all night.

The awsomeness abounds...


i got in a couple quick training games with a new player who wanted to try out his imperial guard with the old rules (he went 1 loss/1 victory in 2 games)

Then he decided to join in to the big event of the night.


I Ordered a 3d printed collection of 40K themed fortress terrain and it all finally arrived.

I rushed through the painting the night before to get it ready for game night.

This isn't all the wall sections, but all the walls, revetments, and bunkers (not the command bunker/landing pad or sentry guns) only ran me about $120

And it turned out fantastic if you ask me-







The grand total for all the defensive works were about 1K points


The field looks much better when several of our imperial guard forces filled the works





Good thing to, because those khorne worshiping nutters brought friends...... very tall friends







Even though the guard won the initiative the first 2 rounds ended up being more of a slap fight even with the aquila strong point macro cannon throwing D weapon hits around (we were using the original apocalypse D weapon rules so they were not over-powered)



Chaos breaches the walls! the strong point is open to the enemy! Yet the guard still stands...The kriegsmen rejoice for the cult of sacrifice beckons them.



P.S. the little armigers torsos are off their bases because of wobbly connections so as not to have them get nocked off and break. so only 1 knight is actually dead here.

Where are those bunkers from again?

The designer is war scenery. they basically have all the dawn of war buildings and some of the old GW style strong points, bunkers and such including the FW great bastion gates-


I ordered mine through the canvas temple store on ebay.

the entire set is here-

https://www.ebay.com/itm/164737309489?hash=item265b1bdb31:g:TLUAAOSwAp1fsTA9

Thanks.

I'll save the seller this time.

Thanks that War Scenery stuff looks great. Prices are better for me in the UK direct from their website: https://www.warscenery.com/

Indeed, makes for a great looking table., i want to get more of the district 12 scenery for my mechanicus stuff...finding space to transport all this terrain is becoming an issue though lol

I assume this is the best place to ask;

So a friend and I are both newbies from 9th ed, and are looking at some of the older editions, having gotten tired of 40k the card game. So we were looking at some of the older editions, namely 7th ed. I've got GSC, while he has orks, however we're lacking certain components (namely his lack of HQ since he's not confident in his resin or metal skills), so we've mainly been playing open. So my question is what changes/house rules/alterations would you all suggest to balance things for 7th ed?

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
...So my question is what changes/house rules/alterations would you all suggest to balance things for 7th ed?

There are a lot of small changes, unit rebalances, and Codex-specific things that can help, but for more general core rules changes I'd suggest:
-25% rule: No single unit in your army can be more than 25% of the points value of the game. This is mostly to crack down on superheavies, but it's also useful for controlling deathstars.
-CAD only: No alternate detachments or formations. They may be characterful but they're also often very poorly-balanced.
-30k Invisibility: The 30k core rules replaced Invisibility with an offensive power that makes one enemy unit hit everything else on 6s, which is much fairer.

 aphyon wrote:
The designer is war scenery. they basically have all the dawn of war buildings and some of the old GW style strong points, bunkers and such including the FW great bastion gates-


I ordered mine through the canvas temple store on ebay.

the entire set is here-

https://www.ebay.com/itm/164737309489?hash=item265b1bdb31:g:TLUAAOSwAp1fsTA9

Those terrain pieces do look cool. Once again a great board full of previous edition goodness.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
So my question is what changes/house rules/alterations would you all suggest to balance things for 7th ed?

Aside from the usual no formations, no invisibility, and no summoning stuff you'd probably want to do something about skyfire weapons or flyer rules - not all factions have flyers or ways to engage them.

Beyond that some factions are just flat out better - the formations used by 7e eldar paled in comparison to many but they were still high tier against the worst of it. It's the same with every edition of course, take it as it comes.