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Voss wrote:

It appears to be exclusive to a UK/EU-only model subscription service.

Meh. As long as it doesn't get in the way of real release slots, the weird local subscription can do whatever it wants.

Perhaps. I'd never heard of this service before and while my knee jerk reaction was Oh god another Marine anything, I thought about it for a minute; imagine how dickish it would be to give a starving faction a new model and lock it behind a UK/EU-only subscription service.

 CEO Kasen wrote:

Voss wrote:

It appears to be exclusive to a UK/EU-only model subscription service.

Meh. As long as it doesn't get in the way of real release slots, the weird local subscription can do whatever it wants.

Perhaps. I'd never heard of this service before and while my knee jerk reaction was Oh god another Marine anything, I thought about it for a minute; imagine how dickish it would be to give a starving faction a new model and lock it behind a UK/EU-only subscription service.

Conquest was a thing, Mortal Realms is ongoing for AOS, and Imperium's start date for the first issue has yet to be announced.

This is a sculpt that is part of the deal with Hachette, not a release through GW, so, for the love of the Emperor, stop getting your damned knickers in a twist - unless of course you want the model and can't get it, in which case it is a little more understandable.

Nurglitch wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Honestly, this is me saying this, you know I LOATHE the number of space marine releases we've had, but....

...come on. Assault marines have been a thing since rogue trader. Not having marines have dudes with swords and chainsaws with jetpacks strapped to their backs would be a travesty. It's a travesty that they haven't released them yet and have gotten side tracked by replacing Scouts with 19 different kits and by making 200 variations of a brick rolled around in a bits box with an 80$ price tag.

...Personally, I blame branding. They have to make space marines "recognizably" space marines in the same way that you can always tell that a clone trooper from star wars is a clone trooper, so their top priorities were replacing Scouts and Terminators with stuff that looked marinier - i.e. had the helmets, had the power armor, etc.

The Inceptors are much closer to the classic Rogue Trader drop picture than the Assault Marines.

And Rogue Trader has long since been made irrelevant by the much more...canon-establishing 2nd ed which codified a lot of current lore and tropes. It's not the most influential or iconic version of 40k to exist, never has been.

Voss wrote:

It appears to be exclusive to a UK/EU-only model subscription service.

Meh. As long as it doesn't get in the way of real release slots, the weird local subscription can do whatever it wants.

Sigh.... yeah...I know. It's just, every time I see one of those crisp clean brand new shiny limited space marines, I just can't help but think about how utterly game changing it would be to get a new plastic warboss or guard commander or prime warrior or something. But no, that sculptor worked for several hours on sergeant ducklips mchipsterhair, 57th space marine model with a plasma pistol and power sword.

If they're gonna do limited edition models nobody can get, I guess I'd rather it be the 1,201,243th space marine with a power sword than something anyone might actually want and not be able to get, i suppose. I guess they learned their lesson from the kickass catachans where a bunch of people went "hey cool so I actually want that" and GW went "UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH we made....seven...."

 CEO Kasen wrote:

Voss wrote:

It appears to be exclusive to a UK/EU-only model subscription service.

Meh. As long as it doesn't get in the way of real release slots, the weird local subscription can do whatever it wants.

Perhaps. I'd never heard of this service before and while my knee jerk reaction was Oh god another Marine anything, I thought about it for a minute; imagine how dickish it would be to give a starving faction a new model and lock it behind a UK/EU-only subscription service.

Well not even EU. I'm in EU and I can't get. It's like handful of countries in EU have got subscription before. There's no quarantee with brexit that this will be available outside UK. Forbidden planet that was way to get these outside UK has stopped shipping outside UK now as well.

 Kanluwen wrote:

But hey. We can keep pretending that Space Wolves really merited their own unique Phobos unit before Raven Guard did. Cause I guess that's a thing, eh?

Yes, they did. Because the SW supplement book launched & needed a few things to support it. Ragnar (wich we all knew they'd eventually release solo), the obligatory dice + cards & ???.
So new book with all new named unit....

You do realize that is also the easiest release possible though,, right?

All they did was create a data sheet, some lore, print a bunch of boxes, and fill said boxes with already existing Reiver sprues & add the already existing SW upgrade sprue.

My guess is that in the future, should the initial run ever sell through, it'll become a direct only item & ship in a plane white box with an ID sticker on it.

And the SW supplement launched 1st because.... Theres a helluva lot of SW players out there.
Meanwhile, where's that RG supplement?
Coming eventually.....

It came out in 2019.

You do understand that the 9E Marine book that SW is a supplement to is basically just a revamp of the post-Shadowspear book, yeah?
There's not really a huge need to redo the Codex Marine supplements that came out with the Phobos containing book...other than to maybe add signature units.

That Ravenguard supplement is no longer valid though.

Wanna bet?

UPDATES
With the release of the 2020 edition of Codex: Space Marines, it is necessary to update the Codex supplements that were written
to work alongside its predecessor. These updates ensure that the rules presented in this supplement work smoothly and ‘as intended’
with the latest Codex. They involve such things as adding the Core keyword in the appropriate places and attaching appropriate labels and categories to psychic powers and Stratagems. They also include updating certain weapon profiles to match changes in Codex: Space Marines, and readjusting certain other rules to take into account their altered efficacy when used in conjunction with the new units and rules presented in Codex: Space Marines.

I was considering leaving due to the clear Space Marine via but then I decided just to collect Space Marines instead.

Totally agree, the massive emphasis on space marines is a huge turn off tbh. Being out of the hobby for a while and talking to newer hobbyists, its a little surprising to hear how they refer to armies, and how every space marine chapter is now thought of as a different army, each comparable to an entire Xenos faction, so the conversation has changed from "I collect space marines, and another guy says I collect Tyranids" to "I collect Space Wolves, and I collect Tyranids". Might seem trivial, but as someone who really got into the game during 3rd edition, where there was far more empasis on different factions, and the emphasis was much more diverse, with each faction having it's own playstyle and theme, it's very odd, and a bit demoralising as someone who isn't interested in space marines. I guess I still sort of think of it as different space marine chapters are stil kind of just an justification to paint your space marines different colours, then have a few special units and characters, but they're still just space marines. Now there's like a space marine chapter that does what every non space marine army does, but better, and with newer models too.

I understand space marines have always been at the centre of 40k, and they will get more releases, but it feels like any semblance of balance or wanting to create a rich, immersive world where every faction has it's own sense of importance and value and narrative, has really gone out the window. Now it's all space marines all the time, and everything else is just there to be NPCs. Having hilariously overpowered rules, and making space marine copies of other armies units (looking at the fire dragon marines and grav tanks...) doesn't exactly help either... One of the many things I've found to be a real turn off with 9th, and has actually stopped me from pursuing games and new models a lot. No one wants to be an NPC!

Sumilidon wrote:
I was considering leaving due to the clear Space Marine via but then I decided just to collect Space Marines instead.

Oddly enough, I think this is one of their clear goals. So in this case it worked.

Now there is a negative for supporting the most popular faction. The power creep on new units can be more often and nagging. You run the risk of them trying to reboot a whole line to make you buy your army again ( what they wanted to do perhaps with first born marines v primaris ). Something you have to worry about less with say Guard or Eldar, Dark Eldar who are lucky to see a new unit a year so they probably won't reboot your whole army away but they may cut away HQs in the case of Dark Eldar and I believe even Eldar have suffered this. Also a hectic release schedule so if you are someone who likes to have a complete collection, that may never be the case for Marines as they just roll out forever causing massive wallet pains.

So there is good for being a Marine player, but there is also the bad. I'd settle for all the factions having some level of power parity so at least if you never get new stuff the stuff you do get feels good.

As mentioned previously. Playing a Xenos faction makes you almost a star at FLGS due to players being burned out playing against different colors of the same damn unit over and over again. Plus, there is the added benefit of playing a race that nobody has any real experience playing against where as 1/3rd of your games will always be against different colors of power armor.

There is also that, sometimes being the odd man out with a unique faction works for you. Everyone thinks about how to kill Marines. Most probably don't thought exercise on how to best kill all the other factions, like say DE which there aren't many players of them around here, for instance.

SemperMortis wrote:
As mentioned previously. Playing a Xenos faction makes you almost a star at FLGS due to players being burned out playing against different colors of the same damn unit over and over again. Plus, there is the added benefit of playing a race that nobody has any real experience playing against where as 1/3rd of your games will always be against different colors of power armor.

As a xeno you'd just be one of the herd at the one shop where I play.
We've got
*Necrons x4 (maybe 5 now?)
*Nids x2
*Orks x1
*Eldar/Harlequins x1
*SoB x3
*Guard x1
*Chaos (demons) x1
*Thousand Sons x1
*DG x3
*CSM x1
*Admech x1
*Imperial Knights x1
*GK x1
*and around 10-12 assorted SM forces
And I know there's 1 Custodes force, I've just never seen it.

Somebody probably has Chaos Knights.

I haven't seen any hint of Tau or Dark Eldar though.

Its become too much for me. i genuinely detest GW now, they are just like every other horrible entertainment company.

i have lost all interest in the hobby, the only thing i do now 40k related is fanart (https://www.deviantart.com/jaromcswenson/gallery/76947157/40k-fanart). no use giving money to a company who deosnt want me as a customer.

see you later all. its been years since i last posted, and seeing the GW apologists are still here (https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/796744.page) has just convinced me why i left in the 1st place, probably wont be back. hope you guys get treated better in the hobby.

ccs wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
As mentioned previously. Playing a Xenos faction makes you almost a star at FLGS due to players being burned out playing against different colors of the same damn unit over and over again. Plus, there is the added benefit of playing a race that nobody has any real experience playing against where as 1/3rd of your games will always be against different colors of power armor.

As a xeno you'd just be one of the herd at the one shop where I play.

you have:
11-13 good Marines
3 female Marines
5 evil Marines
= 19-21
3 imperial
9-10 Xenos

at least for me "being on of the herd" would not mean being the 11th Xenos player but the 22nd Marine player

How many new plastic kits and new single plastic models have Space Marines had in the last few years?
Has anyone counted?
Because it seems loads and loads.

And I'm still waiting here for 85% of the Craftworlds army to be updated to plastic.

The more I think on it, the more pissed off I get.
Its goddamn ridiculous.

Sumilidon wrote:
I was considering leaving due to the clear Space Marine via but then I decided just to collect Space Marines instead.

Pour out a portion for another lost comrade.

I think people waiting to buy new xenos models while GW heaps new space marine models at people buying space marine models might suggest which strategy encourages GW to produce what models.

Mind you, I don't particularly want to buy 300 new gaunts just because GW released new Termagant, Hormagaunt, and Gargoyle boxes.

 kodos wrote:

you have:
11-13 good Marines
3 female Marines
5 evil Marines
= 19-21
3 imperial
9-10 Xenos

at least for me "being on of the herd" would not mean being the 11th Xenos player but the 22nd Marine player

lets not be disingenuous and count CSM and Sisters as Marines.....

even if you let Sisters and CSM off here, you have 10-12 Marines VS 9-10 Xenos VS 12 Others

so 1/3 is playing a single faction, which is Marines, while 1/3 is playing various Xenos and 1/3 is playing non-Xenos/non-Marines

still would not call another Xenos player on of the herd

 dan2026 wrote:
How many new plastic kits and new single plastic models have Space Marines had in the last few years?
Has anyone counted?
Because it seems loads and loads.

And I'm still waiting here for 85% of the Craftworlds army to be updated to plastic.

The more I think on it, the more pissed off I get.
Its goddamn ridiculous.

In terms of kit numbers, Codex Space marines has had the equivalent of 4x Sisters of Battle Relaunches since 2017 when primaris first came out.

the_scotsman wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
How many new plastic kits and new single plastic models have Space Marines had in the last few years?
Has anyone counted?
Because it seems loads and loads.

And I'm still waiting here for 85% of the Craftworlds army to be updated to plastic.

The more I think on it, the more pissed off I get.
Its goddamn ridiculous.

In terms of kit numbers, Codex Space marines has had the equivalent of 4x Sisters of Battle Relaunches since 2017 when primaris first came out.

Insanity, complete insanity.
Just by cutting a fraction of the new Marine models, half the old neglected armies could of been updated by now.

Yet we are on the cusp of the next Dark Eldar book and it looks like they are getting one new plastic model. One. Just one.

My head spins.

geargutz wrote:
Its become too much for me. i genuinely detest GW now, they are just like every other horrible entertainment company.

i have lost all interest in the hobby, the only thing i do now 40k related is fanart (https://www.deviantart.com/jaromcswenson/gallery/76947157/40k-fanart). no use giving money to a company who deosnt want me as a customer.

see you later all. its been years since i last posted, and seeing the GW apologists are still here (https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/796744.page) has just convinced me why i left in the 1st place, probably wont be back. hope you guys get treated better in the hobby.

Keep in mind "the hobby" is miniature wargaming, despite GW's best attempts at propaganda and their stans' worship. There are plenty of other good games out there.

Hecaton wrote:
...Keep in mind "the hobby" is miniature wargaming, despite GW's best attempts at propaganda and their stans' worship. There are plenty of other good games out there.

I'd like to second this. Too many people assume that GW's customer-unfriendly behaviour (badly-staggered releases, horrendous power creep, regular edition changes to make everyone buy all the books again, rules written to sell models that they've got too many of lying around, putting all their time and energy into one faction and leaving others to languish for years or decades with nothing, bundling models you don't want with models you do want to move product) are the industry standard, and any other game is going to put them in the exact same boat, when these are really GW problems and not tabletop-wargaming-in-general problems.

Absolutely! You can keep participating in "The Hobby" without giving GW a cent and incentivizing its current behavior.

3rd party minis or 3D printing gives you a lot more freedom in what you make of Your Dudes, usually without spending many times what a plastic kit should cost. There's old editions of Warhammer that can be played, or hybrids like Prohammer.

Or just consider entire different games. CB Infinity is complex, but fantastic if you want genuine tactical depth and clever plays instead of what 9th rather dubiously terms "Stratagems." On the other side of things, One Page Rules/Grimdark Future is what heavy streamlining of 40k looks like, a better casual beer-and-pretzels wargame that remembers what Universal Special Rules are for and actually has rules for space dwarves. Either is a good choice if you're sick of the one-faction tongue-worshipping.

Ehhh...hacking programs and some of the actions in Infinity are really no different to stratagems.

Warcaster is much better than Infinity to be honest.

 dan2026 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
How many new plastic kits and new single plastic models have Space Marines had in the last few years?
Has anyone counted?
Because it seems loads and loads.

And I'm still waiting here for 85% of the Craftworlds army to be updated to plastic.

The more I think on it, the more pissed off I get.
Its goddamn ridiculous.

In terms of kit numbers, Codex Space marines has had the equivalent of 4x Sisters of Battle Relaunches since 2017 when primaris first came out.

Insanity, complete insanity.
Just by cutting a fraction of the new Marine models, half the old neglected armies could of been updated by now.

Yet we are on the cusp of the next Dark Eldar book and it looks like they are getting one new plastic model. One. Just one.

My head spins.

Hang on what? One model, are you serious? Where are you getting this from?

I'm trying to rebuild my old eldar army, sort of waiting to see what they release for Eldar before going for any infantry beyond character models, thought Dark Eldar will give some clues as to their intentions.

If they get the Necron/Primaris treatment where it's basically a total redo of the whole army just bigger and with less character, I'd be very happy to stick with the old models tbh. I wasn't that impressed with the new banshees, seemed a bit bland, and the new Eldrad is just not as cool as the old one (they got the pose wrong, and way too billowy) though Jain Zar was a big improvement. The Artel W models mean GW has very stiff competition if redoing the aspect warriors, they're pretty great and so far are really making me hold off on getting the old metals, despite nostalgia.

Seems to me too that in the current rules system it will be very hard to make an eldar army really work as they do in the fluff.

Right now, the only new Drukhari model we definitively know about is Lelith Hesperax in the Pain & Piety box coming out.

With Eldar? Nobody really knows WTF is going on behind closed doors.