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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Noctilith is likely a rebox.


Maybe. Wouldn't be the first bit of faction terrain to vanish.

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If you're referring to the GSC Drill, if we're being honest that wasn't really a GSC piece of terrain. It was put in their Codex, but it was really just existing sprues put together in a box.

The Forge Shrine or whatever it was called is gone from the Knight book as well, and it did have a unique sprue, but a unique sprue made of existing bits form other kits (which was rather odd, IMO).

The Chaos Stargate is unique. It is its own thing. It's not from another kit, or made up of parts from different kits. Removing it would be unusual.

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Wasn't the drill part of the Fragdrill unique to that kit?

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
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Think the point is both the drill and shrine were generic--one wouldn't guess they were faction terrain if they didn't already know. As opposed to something like the Tau, CSM, or Nurgle terrain which were/are quite obviously tied to certain factions.

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 Togusa wrote:
On the Forgeworld side of things, I swear to the throne that the Iron Warriors had 9 items listed under their HH profile yesterday, today I logged in to check something and I see only seven items showing so far. Can anyone confirm what, if anything is gone?


Took me a while to remember, as I too was looking at the Iron Warriors section yesterday. The 2 things that have gone are the transfers and dice - They appear to have gone for all the legions, so hopefully will just come back on the main GW site.

   
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 Dysartes wrote:
Wasn't the drill part of the Fragdrill unique to that kit?
Unique to that kit, yes, but it wasn't a GSC piece like, say, the Miasmic Malignifier.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Wasn't the drill part of the Fragdrill unique to that kit?
Unique to that kit, yes, but it wasn't a GSC piece like, say, the Miasmic Malignifier.


Wasn't it?

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it was in the Genestealer codex (no other codex), and the box cover featured minis from the Genestealer cult range.

IIRC it was specifically made for GSC (but obviously can be used as a scenery piece for any gaming table).
   
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It was designed for the Sector Mechanicus kits. We saw sketches of it long before its release.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It was designed for the Sector Mechanicus kits. We saw sketches of it long before its release.


Well, when you put it like that, how can anybody disagree?
   
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Ok then. Find the GSC parts of the drill that don't fit with any other faction or game.

I'll wait.

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It wasn't an unaligned fortification, it was a GSC fortification. Whether or not it was covered in Genestealers or Cult symbols is irrelevant as only GSC could take it in army lists.
   
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I wasn't talking about its alignment. I was talking about the kit. It's not a GSC kit because there's nothing about it that is GSC unlike, say, the Eldar Webway gate, the Chaos Gate, Tau Tidewalls or the Hammerfall Bunker.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:If you're referring to the GSC Drill, if we're being honest that wasn't really a GSC piece of terrain. It was put in their Codex, but it was really just existing sprues put together in a box.


If we're being honest this is objectively wrong. There are two sprues in the Fragdrill set that are unique to the kit. They were not existing sprues. Maybe you meant something else when you typed this?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok then. Find the GSC parts of the drill that don't fit with any other faction or game.

I'll wait.


Is this an attempt to switch the goalposts? You'll be waiting a long time for me to fall for it

Are you ignoring the fact that it was designed to fit into the mining theme of the GSC? Because that's the impression that I'm getting!

Nobody is suggesting that the kit doesn't fit with other Sector Mechanicus kits, but to say that it "wasn't really a GSC piece of terrain"....well, I'm happy to agree to disagree if you like.



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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wasn't talking about its alignment. I was talking about the kit. It's not a GSC kit because there's nothing about it that is GSC unlike, say, the Eldar Webway gate, the Chaos Gate, Tau Tidewalls or the Hammerfall Bunker.


Nothing about it...except for the fact that it's a huge mining drill.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wasn't talking about its alignment. I was talking about the kit. It's not a GSC kit because there's nothing about it that is GSC unlike, say, the Eldar Webway gate, the Chaos Gate, Tau Tidewalls or the Hammerfall Bunker.

The GSC range is almost entirely made up of models in miners' gear, using mining equipment as weapons and mining vehicles as war machines. The Fragdrill was a piece of mining equipment. It might have fit with other Sec Mech terrain but it's an Imperial pattern mining drill used by an army where the theme is Imperial miners infected by aliens.
   
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 Slinky wrote:
ALL the HH transfers seem to have gone from the FW site. Hope they aren't a permanent deletion!.


Oh, hopefully, they'll be back. The printing quality on these is awesome. Luckily I just picked up the Sons of Horus sheet last weekend at the Open Day.

 
   
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I get where HBMC is coming from; I thoroughly expect the frag drill to return in some connection with the Leagues of Votann, and if not them, then the Squats on Necromunda, whose mining cities in the Ash Wastes have been mentioned in more than one place over the past few months.
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Think the point is both the drill and shrine were generic--one wouldn't guess they were faction terrain if they didn't already know. As opposed to something like the Tau, CSM, or Nurgle terrain which were/are quite obviously tied to certain factions.

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I think you'd have to make the jump from imperium to somehow equalling generic. IMO Those terrain pieces were clearly of the imperium style, and hardly generic.

In my view something generic would look equally at home with Nurgle, eldar, tau etc.

hills and forests would be generic.
   
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puree wrote:
I think you'd have to make the jump from imperium to somehow equalling generic. IMO Those terrain pieces were clearly of the imperium style, and hardly generic.

In my view something generic would look equally at home with Nurgle, eldar, tau etc.

hills and forests would be generic.


Forests aren't particularly generic in 40k, since Nurgle, Tyranids and Necrons exists.

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Which fight just fine in all sorts of battlefield. Necron's won't fight if there's reqular trees around?


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puree wrote:
I think you'd have to make the jump from imperium to somehow equalling generic. IMO Those terrain pieces were clearly of the imperium style, and hardly generic.

In my view something generic would look equally at home with Nurgle, eldar, tau etc.

hills and forests would be generic.
Uh, in 40k Imperium is absolutely generic terrain. Literally all of the non-dataslate structures & ruins are Imperium.

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tneva82 wrote:
Which fight just fine in all sorts of battlefield. Necron's won't fight if there's reqular trees around?



Given they have a large amount of units hellbent on annihilating all biological life, one wouldn't expect them to vibe in a perfectly intact green forest.

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 stahly wrote:
 Slinky wrote:
ALL the HH transfers seem to have gone from the FW site. Hope they aren't a permanent deletion!.


Oh, hopefully, they'll be back. The printing quality on these is awesome. Luckily I just picked up the Sons of Horus sheet last weekend at the Open Day.


I believe the transfer sheets will be rereleased via GW proper instead of via FW.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
puree wrote:
I think you'd have to make the jump from imperium to somehow equalling generic. IMO Those terrain pieces were clearly of the imperium style, and hardly generic.

In my view something generic would look equally at home with Nurgle, eldar, tau etc.

hills and forests would be generic.
Uh, in 40k Imperium is absolutely generic terrain. Literally all of the non-dataslate structures & ruins are Imperium.


Your argument was based on guessing if not knowing. If I was guessing then they are clearly faction terrain as they fit the imperium aesthetic and not the aesthetic of any of the alien factions. Nothing about the drill kit could lead me to 'guess' it was generic terrain usable in a Tau themed board for example.

I can only think you are using the term 'generic' wrongly. I suspect you really mean ubiquitous. The imperium is ubiquitous within the setting, such that we just plonk imperium terrain down and assume that we are playing around some imperium settlement/outpost etc and that easily fits in with the background.





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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
puree wrote:
I think you'd have to make the jump from imperium to somehow equalling generic. IMO Those terrain pieces were clearly of the imperium style, and hardly generic.

In my view something generic would look equally at home with Nurgle, eldar, tau etc.

hills and forests would be generic.


Forests aren't particularly generic in 40k, since Nurgle, Tyranids and Necrons exists.


LOL - aye good point I suppose.

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puree wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
puree wrote:
I think you'd have to make the jump from imperium to somehow equalling generic. IMO Those terrain pieces were clearly of the imperium style, and hardly generic.

In my view something generic would look equally at home with Nurgle, eldar, tau etc.

hills and forests would be generic.
Uh, in 40k Imperium is absolutely generic terrain. Literally all of the non-dataslate structures & ruins are Imperium.


Your argument was based on guessing if not knowing. If I was guessing then they are clearly faction terrain as they fit the imperium aesthetic and not the aesthetic of any of the alien factions. Nothing about the drill kit could lead me to 'guess' it was generic terrain usable in a Tau themed board for example.
OK, had to stop and do a double take there. No gak generic terrain isn't good for a themed board--it's a themed board! I can't really have a discussion with someone who is going to throw basic reasoning overboard.

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I'd argue that generic terrain makes a great base for a themed board.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd argue that generic terrain makes a great base for a themed board.

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 Slinky wrote:
ALL the HH transfers seem to have gone from the FW site. Hope they aren't a permanent deletion!.


Yep seems like those and the legion specific dice have all gone, presumably for reboxing or release on GW main site when the new edition drops?
   
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I think we saw the frag drill as a silhouette on the base of the shadow war armageddon box
   
 
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