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Iron Within was decent. Better animation than some of their other stuff, but pacing and dialogue need work.

There's a moment right in the beginning where soldiers are fighting and you hear nothing but gunfire, and then suddenly the sgt tells them to move out and it's just really weird that there's no dialogue until that moment.

GW need to invest in some 'generic soldiers shouting' stock mp3s or something.
   
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Gotta agree, would have liked a slightly more generic title so that the little crumbs that were dropped were less obvious and gave you a clue to what was happening, rather than "When do the Iron Warriors turn up?" feeling.

Still, enjoyable if a little janky here and there with the animation.

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One of these days they will do a story called Iron Within and the twist is that it is either the Iron Hands or Alpha Legion instead.
   
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I found Iron Within disappointing.

The bigger of the two twists was already given away with both the title and previews, the animation was either rather wooden and lifeless, or really exaggerated, like the running and vaulting animations of the Dark Eldar. The sound effects and action also felt very lacking, those were some very sad bolters. I also cringed when one of the Iron Warriors did the whole "stabbing someone without looking" bit that felt like it was just lifted from Astartes, who did it so much better. Lack of model variety is another thing that really sprung out to me, all Guardsmen, Eldar and Iron Warriors bar the leaders look the same.

Any word on what's next then? The release schedule for the animations has been anaemic to say the least, I thought we were promised more this year?



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I digged Iron Within, with a few complaints:

The IW were entirely too clean for my tastes, and the Mandrake went out like an absolute chump.

I did like how the Dark Eldar leader was an absolute monster in combat.

Now hurry up and give me Darktalon, WH+!!!


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I think, title aside, the Iron Warriors being "clean" was intentional to try and make it easier to see how easily they could be mistaken as Angels in the early part of their appearance and also the easy acceptance to bow.

It's easier to bow and obey Iron than it is when its standing there with a 3rd arm sticking out of its hip and another one has way too many eyes and that one over there is exploding flesh from his armour.


It also reinforces the whole purity of the Iron - the Armour - side of the story that's conveyed. We see their purity in form and iron - we don't see the warped taint beneath it

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It was pretty good but as others have said, it was essentially spoilered from the start.

With a different title and WHC not basically saying it’s chaos marines , then it would have been a nice first clue when you saw the dread claws coming down that it’s not the help they think.

The whole service still feels content light and it’s only really worth paying for because of the miniature, without that then it’d be a hard pass.
   
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I spent half the show waiting for something unexpected to happen.
Why would they do that!

It was ok I think, it felt to small. A planet invasion? But then it all fizzle out and the dark Eldar didn’t even have ships in the sky? They even mention all the ships had flee or been shot down I thought.
Like it should have been a short off the second half, or much longer and they condensed it down.
I don’t know, feel a bit like something was missed.
   
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Spoiler:
The show focuses around the main core settlement of the planet where the main administration is. We don't really know what the rest of the world looks like - it could be a fairly poorer world and this city is its main hub, esp for off-world contact and trade and such.

It sounds like the Governor has been in Thrall to the Dark Eldar for some time and chances are he first off ensured that the shipping lanes would be empty for the harvest. So that likely distributed many ships before the raiding fleet appeared; by which point the few defence ships they have were destroyed and the rest fled.

For the Dark Eldar this was a controlled raid. They didn't bring a full invasion force, they didn't need too. The world wasn't going to put up a huge fight. The implication is that this has been going on for some time - raids small enough that the world doesn't attract big attention for improved defences (and each time "fights them off") and yet big enough to satisfy the Dark Eldar's desires.

This time though it seems the Eldar harvested deeper and more than they normally did, leaning into excess.
Or its the first raid ever, but still clearly planned out in advance to have the world weaker.

Either way the Dark Eldar came for a raid not a full on invasion. So chances are they didn't have enough ships nor enough ships of the right class to take on the Chaos forces and win. Either they were destroyed in Orbit or they fled the scene.

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The title, "Iron Within", I think, as much refers as much to the second twist (at the end) as the presence of the Iron Warriors. Anyway, pretty well-crafted effort.

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 themonk wrote:
The title, "Iron Within", I think, as much refers as much to the second twist (at the end) as the presence of the Iron Warriors. Anyway, pretty well-crafted effort.



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So true. I also love stories like this where we see people not just normal but opposed to Chaos who end up serving. They go such a long way to showing us how rational, sane, normal people can be twisted, manipulated, pressured and soon welcoming the embrace of Chaos. I think they are really important because in a lot of art, causal lore and the tabletop we see the extreme end of the Chaos fanatics. So its really fun to see how people become such as they are. Those first tentative steps that turn them down the path

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Animation quality on everything GW touches is just so bad.
   
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Blacktalon (part 1 of 6) is out. Episode name Reforged, 23 minutes long. This gives games workshop a chance to get me into age of sigmar

-looks again- the video is gone again. Where did it go?

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Black Talon 1 was....ok. The plot twist was self spoilered and I can only forgive the total mess of the first 10min of "what the hell is the chronology of this scene" under the presumption that the author wanted us to experience her confusion ourselves.

Animation was well enough, good sound effects and voice acting. They are certainly improving here.

I'm not into AoS but are Sigmarines supposed to be so weak? The hall is empty, as if hardly anyone of them remains and they seem to die to a heavier gust of wind at times. The woman at the table summed it up quite nicely, their tactics are suicidal and stupid. There has to be a more efficient way of fighting than jumping face first into axes and hoping to out respawn your enemy.

I am certainly not happy with only one animation every 6-7 weeks. Even if the quality is better now. And where is Astartes 2? Seriously GW, did you waste that guys talent?
   
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 GiToRaZor wrote:
Black Talon 1 was....ok. The plot twist was self spoilered and I can only forgive the total mess of the first 10min of "what the hell is the chronology of this scene" under the presumption that the author wanted us to experience her confusion ourselves.

Animation was well enough, good sound effects and voice acting. They are certainly improving here.

I'm not into AoS but are Sigmarines supposed to be so weak? The hall is empty, as if hardly anyone of them remains and they seem to die to a heavier gust of wind at times. The woman at the table summed it up quite nicely, their tactics are suicidal and stupid. There has to be a more efficient way of fighting than jumping face first into axes and hoping to out respawn your enemy.

I am certainly not happy with only one animation every 6-7 weeks. Even if the quality is better now. And where is Astartes 2? Seriously GW, did you waste that guys talent?


Stormcast explode when they die and are then reforged back in Azyr, the enemies that explode with them generally don't. So they can sometimes be a bit reckless in how they attack because it can help get the job done at minimal risk. The Stormcast here are also members of the Hammers of Sigmar (aka Stormcast Ultramarines) so they probably don't have many of them held back as they tend to be sent out to claim the realms. Likewise Neave and the others are probably all part of the vanguard chambers so are used for scouting and hunting down specific targets. It could be that those halls are for that chamber and thus most are out with the various crusades and Stormhosts.

Also worth noting here that a focus of the story is specifically on what Neave forgets when she's reforged so you kind of want to show a mission where they did die whilst completing it to show that they all react to it differently.

But yeah, animation was solid, sound effects and voice acting were good and the story is at least interesting.
   
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 GiToRaZor wrote:


I'm not into AoS but are Sigmarines supposed to be so weak? The hall is empty, as if hardly anyone of them remains and they seem to die to a heavier gust of wind at times. The woman at the table summed it up quite nicely, their tactics are suicidal and stupid. There has to be a more efficient way of fighting than jumping face first into axes and hoping to out respawn your enemy.



Stormcast are basically the good equivalent of Chaos Warriors. Not your Slaves to darkness cultist, but full on Chaos Warriors. So they are about on-par with them. Accepting that both sides will have variety from the bottom to the elite of their ranks.
In this video they are a small group attacking a full encampment of demons and Chaos Warriors. I suspect that limits on budget might mean that the number of foes slain might be less than often appears in stories, but in general its about right. This was a suicide mission to kill a specific champion. A handful of Stormcast making a surgical strike to kill the leader, knowing that the numbers of foes in total would overwhelm them, but with the hope that having killed the leader they will have disrupted and broken its main powerbase and the plague they were looking to spread.

The Hall being empty I think is driving home how this story is about this elite group acting mostly on their own and choosing their objectives which might be outside of major army deployments and rank and file battles.

You are also right, there is intentional chaos at the start to create a befuddled state to help drive home the memory loss that comes from death and reforging. About the only part left out is that many times they won't be reforged instantly, they will instead be held in a stasis until there is room on the forge to be remade. So this unit are also showing how elite they are that they are favoured with what seems early reforging.


I also liked that there was a Kurnothi near the end.

Overall a solid and fun animation!

Kind of do agree that I wish they came more often, but I'm happy to accept that we get higher quality for fewer releases. The idea is both of course.
   
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More than that, the Knight-Zephyros(of which Naeve Blacktalon is one of them) are basically meant to be guided missiles.
   
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And each time that happens and they die they lose part of themselves. Over and over again they lose more of who they were and a little more of the God King's drive/impulses/desire to cleanse the realms is beaten into them.

Which is the dark part of the Stormcast and why its important to remember that they stand not for good, but for Order.

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Thanks for the explanations. I still think that there could have been better ways to showcase Stormcasts. As a good counter example, the Total War Warhammer Intro/Trailer with the Imperial Patrol that gets surrounded by Chaos Knights comes to mind.

I'm looking forward to the next episodes, it's nice to see them giving AoS some dedicated screen time for a change.
   
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In her novel Neave is described as being a reckless leader who will do anything to achieve the kill including sacrificing her crew and herself. This sets her at odds with the others who are less willing to sacrifice themselves as it means giving up something each time they die. Also the reforging is described as being a hideous experience. The show hints at these things but could lean into it more. I'm glad one of her crew said showed her fear in the first episode. Unlike the Space Marines, the Stormcast lived normal lives before they were reforged. The more times they die the more they lose sight of that person. It looks like this is going to be the main thread of the series. There's lots of potential to shine a light on a cool part of AoS lore that a lot of causal Warhammer fans probably don't know about. I really hope this show improves from what was a solid but unspectacular foundation.
   
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This week's episode was better. First of all because we didn't have to wait 6 weeks again. But also since they had an actual plot cycle. I'm not a big fan of cutting mid action to a planning scene that explains what we will see in the seconds. Hopefully they will stop this cinema sin soon. But overall a lot more coherent, they left enough scenes for every character to have some time to distinct themselves.

Animation is still clunky, but leages ahead of the unbearable dia shows we had in 2022.

To;dr: We have finally surpassed 1984s Transformers animation quality. Still a long way to go until they reach 2017s Castlevania.
   
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I'm surprised to have 2 episodes In a single month and potentially more. I hope this doesn't mean we will be expecting huge gaps, until the next project (maybe angels of death?)
   
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shadowsfm wrote:
I'm surprised to have 2 episodes In a single month and potentially more. I hope this doesn't mean we will be expecting huge gaps, until the next project (maybe angels of death?)


I think they've shifted from intermittent videos with few gaps, but lower quality and broken up stories; into a pattern of longer gaps between animations, but a chunk of a single block in one go. In time we might see the gaps filled with things like Hammer and Bolter more - one off short animations that don't need to string together in to a series.

In theory they could make up for it with more non animation filler content such as two battle reports a week or more painting tutorials or such.

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More of a year 3 update monthly price is going from £4.99 to £5.99 presume other currencies affected as well. Yearly sub prices stay the same. They need more content updated regularly to justify a price rise looks like they are trying to either get people on to annual subs or make up money from current subs.

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/28/warhammer-40000-app-battle-forge-access-update/

   
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Pushing more people to annual makes sense, it gives GW a lump sum to work with rather than a trickle of cash, which is also good to have ,but they likely lose more in processing fees and such over one single payment.

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Content is still disappointingly anaemic at this point. Yes it takes time to make shows and episodes, but this has been a depressingly poor year so far content-wise.

Also, where's my Imperial Knight show GW? 😡



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I wonder how much money they've made from Warhammer+.... I assume not much if in 2 years they don't have enough to throw at content creators to make more.

I jumped on because of the model last year and have barely watched anything on it, partly because there's no much there and partly because what is there hasn't drawn me in.

It's going to depend what models they have this coming year. If it's something awesome maybe I'll renew, otherwise there's really no point for me.

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I subbed for a month to check it out and the quality of the animations was pretty awful. I wouldn't watch 95% of it if it were free, let alone pay for it. At this point WH+ is a $60 exclusive model with a partially functioning app and some crappy animations thrown in for free.
   
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Toofast wrote:
At this point WH+ is a $60 exclusive model with a partially functioning app and some crappy animations thrown in for free.
Basically I don't even use the app.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I wonder how much money they've made from Warhammer+.... I assume not much if in 2 years they don't have enough to throw at content creators to make more.

I jumped on because of the model last year and have barely watched anything on it, partly because there's no much there and partly because what is there hasn't drawn me in.

It's going to depend what models they have this coming year. If it's something awesome maybe I'll renew, otherwise there's really no point for me.


based on their last end-of-year report, about £500,000 actual profit, after expenses (something like £3 million income form subs, and it cost them about 2.5 million make and run WH+. numbers are off the top of my head, so i might be a bit off).

so, its making a steady but not spectacular profit, and its enough to to justify its continued existence. I remember a lot of people being suprised they were able to turn a profit so quickly, a lot of streaming services run a deficit for several years to build up the customer and content bases.

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