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How do you know? Does Coldstar give you +1 T and a 2+ armor save? What if it does? Then would they serve two different purposes? Such a change would be listed on the armor wargear page. It would make sense, as that would keep a commander from being instagibbed by failing a grounding roll.

Additionally, since there is no bits differentiation for a Iridium suit, but there is for a Coldstar, why would GW let you keep the Iridium when they can have you buy another Commander suit to make a Coldstar?

Sooooo....I am assuming these leaks are from a WD for tomorrow? So does that mean the Codex/Commander will be up for pre-order too? Idk how WD works with its content and release dates.

vitae_drinker wrote:
How do you know? Does Coldstar give you +1 T and a 2+ armor save? What if it does? Then would they serve two different purposes? Such a change would be listed on the armor wargear page. It would make sense, as that would keep a commander from being instagibbed by failing a grounding roll.

Additionally, since there is no bits differentiation for a Iridium suit, but there is for a Coldstar, why would GW let you keep the Iridium when they can have you buy another Commander suit to make a Coldstar?

How do you know? From the information we have currently there is nothing to suggest it does so.

And on the second point, it's not a whole new suit, it's extra iridium armour plating on top.

The Iridium though is simply a different coating of armor/material. Its otherwise the same suit more or less.

The Coldstar is a XV8 with extensive mobility enhancements and its shows on its physical model.

Iridium would be like giving higher quality body armor to an important field commander. Coldstar is a completely different style of commander. Iridium may also be heavier we don't know. So it couldn't be used on something meant to fly.

I never claimed to know. I'm merely positing a guess. Frankly, I think there are some massive changes coming, and unless the formations are nice, I think Tau are taking a major nerfing.

vitae_drinker wrote:
I never claimed to know. I'm merely positing a guess. Frankly, I think there are some massive changes coming, and unless the formations are nice, I think Tau are taking a major nerfing.

I got that bad feeling as well.

Edit
I got a feeling it will be an overnerf. As opposed to a sensible one.

vitae_drinker wrote:
I think Tau are taking a major nerfing.

So GW are giving them an absolute ton of new kits. With 1/3 of them being remodels of existing kits and you think they are going to nerf them?

Nerfing? I don't think so. From what we've seen so far it seems that were probably going to stay at the same sort of medium-ish power level. We might go down a bit, but at the same time we might go up.

Then again, I am generally overly optimistic about most things, so I could be wrong.

vitae_drinker wrote:
I think there are some massive changes coming, and unless the formations are nice, I think Tau are taking a major nerfing.

Well, so far so good, but everything looks the same for me. Some extra options slapped on the existing range, some new stuff, then copypaste for the Copypaste God. At this point, I will be surprised if anything changes.

vitae_drinker wrote:
I never claimed to know. I'm merely positing a guess. Frankly, I think there are some massive changes coming, and unless the formations are nice, I think Tau are taking a major nerfing.

You think they are taking a "massive nerfing" based on the rules for four entirely new units?

Major nerfing, thank you.

And not so much because they're going to make Tau worse, per se. Merely that with the most recent codices released (Necrons forward, basically) have had such a power boost that I don't the believe the Tau will keep up. Unless, as I said, the formations are better than I'm predicting.

Technically, with the rules as written a Coldstar Commander can take signature systems. I don't think that was intended, but that's how the rules are worded. I would look at anyone who actually brought that to the table without an FAQ explicitly allowing it as a dirty cheesemonger though.

You could technically join it to Vespids without anybody's mobility being hampered, I guess.

I mean, it couldn't swoop, but given that swooping is the last thing you'd want it to do 90% of the time that's not a big loss.

Caederes wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
I never claimed to know. I'm merely positing a guess. Frankly, I think there are some massive changes coming, and unless the formations are nice, I think Tau are taking a major nerfing.

You think they are taking a "massive nerfing" based on the rules for four entirely new units?

It's pretty funny yeah. People have absolutely no clue what the Tau army will look like, but they've already decided Tau are taking a nerfing.

It's the little things that make a codex overpowered, and they're usually not known in advance. All it takes is two spammable units to be seriously undercosted and the army is competitive. For Eldar all it took was a unit being allowed heavy weapons on every model and for Eldar D to become real D. That kind of stuff has very little to do with GW's previews.

Lord Ruby34 wrote:
Technically, with the rules as written a Coldstar Commander can take signature systems.

No. As written he can not take signature systems as he can only take the Coldstar instead of choosing from the first three options.

But none the less, I'm just happy for a new commander kit to be coming out. And cold start could be amusing. A tau flying circus list...

 Therion wrote:

Caederes wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
I never claimed to know. I'm merely positing a guess. Frankly, I think there are some massive changes coming, and unless the formations are nice, I think Tau are taking a major nerfing.

You think they are taking a "massive nerfing" based on the rules for four entirely new units?

It's pretty funny yeah. People have absolutely no clue what the Tau army will look like, but they've already decided Tau are taking a nerfing.

It's the little things that make a codex overpowered, and they're usually not known in advance. All it takes is two spammable units to be seriously undercosted and the army is competitive. For Eldar all it took was a unit being allowed heavy weapons on every model and for Eldar D to become real D. That kind of stuff has very little to do with GW's previews.

It's astonishing how people on here overlook most of what you say, but only pick and choose the one little bit they want to quote.

As I said, unless the formations are decent, Tau will not be as well performing as they were in the past (pre-Necron).

Remember, up until Necrons released Tau were a top tier list. Now they're middle third. Maybe not Ork bad, but still.

vitae_drinker wrote:

 Therion wrote:

Caederes wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
I never claimed to know. I'm merely positing a guess. Frankly, I think there are some massive changes coming, and unless the formations are nice, I think Tau are taking a major nerfing.

You think they are taking a "massive nerfing" based on the rules for four entirely new units?

It's pretty funny yeah. People have absolutely no clue what the Tau army will look like, but they've already decided Tau are taking a nerfing.

It's the little things that make a codex overpowered, and they're usually not known in advance. All it takes is two spammable units to be seriously undercosted and the army is competitive. For Eldar all it took was a unit being allowed heavy weapons on every model and for Eldar D to become real D. That kind of stuff has very little to do with GW's previews.

It's astonishing how people on here overlook most of what you say, but only pick and choose the one little bit they want to quote.

As I said, unless the formations are decent, Tau will not be as well performing as they were in the past (pre-Necron).

Remember, up until Necrons released Tau were a top tier list. Now they're middle third. Maybe not Ork bad, but still.

Tau were top tier in part due to the 6th edition rules, not the 7th edition codices. Remember the O'Vesa-star? Yea, that ended with 7th core rules. This codex is by no means nerfed by what we know. Lighten up and wait to judge until after you have read the codex.

The rules are posted on the Cold Star suit. As written they can currently take signature Systems as that is part of the basic commanders gear allowance. They only limit the suit to two support systems.

Nope. Instead, they take the Coldstar. It's pretty clear.

Fella's take this one to YMDC.

Just because Tau arent getting all rail rifles are Str D doesnt mean theyre getting a nerf.

Nothing we have seen shows theyve been nerfed to me. Inconvenience, yes, with the base size increases but not a nerf.

People always cry nerfed when the codex isnt instantly #1.

 Ghaz wrote:

Lord Ruby34 wrote:
Technically, with the rules as written a Coldstar Commander can take signature systems.

No. As written he can not take signature systems as he can only take the Coldstar instead of choosing from the first three options.

I have no doubt that that was the intention. However, nothing about the coldstar description disallows signature systems except by implication.

changemod wrote:
You could technically join it to Vespids without anybody's mobility being hampered, I guess.

I mean, it couldn't swoop, but given that swooping is the last thing you'd want it to do 90% of the time that's not a big loss.

Except that Coldstar is type Flying Monstrous Creature (Character), not (Independent Character), so he can't join anyone.

Independent Character is a special rule, not a unit type.

 Therion wrote:


It's the little things that make a codex overpowered, and they're usually not known in advance..

Having seen the process, you have no idea how RIGHT that is.

You THINK you can predict ALL of the possibilities of a million fractional rules with endless applications, interpretations of definitions, and nerd brains to pick it all a part....and it ends up being the things you never even noticed because of all the elephants in the room....

It's the cockroaches that get ya in the end.

vitae_drinker wrote:
How do you know? Does Coldstar give you +1 T and a 2+ armor save? What if it does? Then would they serve two different purposes? Such a change would be listed on the armor wargear page. It would make sense, as that would keep a commander from being instagibbed by failing a grounding roll.

Additionally, since there is no bits differentiation for a Iridium suit, but there is for a Coldstar, why would GW let you keep the Iridium when they can have you buy another Commander suit to make a Coldstar?

That's an excellant point, and why I'm confused as to how people can judge him already.

It is impossible to know what the Coldstar gives you until the wargear pages are leaked(and the weapon stats).

For example, Space Wolf Codex says If the Wolf Lord doesn't take Terminator Armor he can take a Thunderwolf Mount for 50 points. It doesn't mention that this also gives him *Rending *+1 S and T *More movement etc. That's all in the wargear.

 derling wrote:

 Therion wrote:


It's the little things that make a codex overpowered, and they're usually not known in advance..

Having seen the process, you have no idea how RIGHT that is.

You THINK you can predict ALL of the possibilities of a million fractional rules with endless applications, interpretations of definitions, and nerd brains to pick it all a part....and it ends up being the things you never even noticed because of all the elephants in the room....

It's the cockroaches that get ya in the end.

Well, except that most of the 7e codices have had some very straightforward borked stuff. Like people saying that the only decent unit in Tyranids would be Flyrants. Or Wraiths getting +1T and a formation to get RP. Or Wraithknights... Wraithknights. Or the Battle Company getting all their free stuff.

Not to say that the Tau book won't be subtle, but a lot of the more recent won't haven't exactly been.

Sorry to say I haven't kept up to much on these developments. Any word on how this affects Farsight/all battlesuit armies?

Lord Ruby34 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Lord Ruby34 wrote:
Technically, with the rules as written a Coldstar Commander can take signature systems.

No. As written he can not take signature systems as he can only take the Coldstar instead of choosing from the first three options.

I have no doubt that that was the intention. However, nothing about the coldstar description disallows signature systems except by implication.

The wording is quite clear. You take the Coldstar instead of the first three options. No 'implication' as that is what it clearly says.