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Will people call this army cheap and unkillable? I heard theres still scoring on how hard you powergame in large tournaments. When talking to my local TO he frowned and said a lot of people non mechdar wont even unpack their armies against it.

200 Daemon Prince with mark of tzeentch, wings, bolt of change, warptime
226 7 plague marines- 2 plasma guns- champion with power weapon ( 7), icon
245 Land Raider with daemonic possesion and dozer blade
240 8 Noise marines- 7 sonic blasters champion with power weapon and doom siren
240 Land Raider with extra armor and dozer blade
228 8 khorne berserkers- 2 plasma pistols- skull champion with power weapon
245 Land Raider with damonic possesion and dozerblade
150 5 raptors- 2 meltaguns- champion with power weapon
225 5 terminators- 3 combi meltas with 3 powerfists, 1 combi flamer with lightning claw, 1 combi plasma gun lightning claw

1999 total

Update: Ok so I hear everyones feedback, but I like the idea too much of a small, heavily armored themed chaos force. I just wish they would make abaddon more useful or cheaper


Hq

175 Daemon Prince with wings, mark of tzeentch, bolt of change

Troops


285 10 Khorne Berserkers- 2 plasmas Power fist champion icon

259 8 Plague Marines- 2 plasma guns champion with power fist icon

290 10 noise marines- 6 sonic blasters champion with power fist and doom siren, icon




Elites

105 3 terminators with combi-meltas

Fast Attack
120 5 raptors- 2 meltaguns


Heavy Support
255 Land Raider with Khorne possesion and dozer blade and pm b

255 Land Raider with Slaanesh possesion and dozer blade and pm b

255 Land Raider with Nurgle possesion and dozer blade and pm b

1999 Total

nice list. I wouldnt mind playing it.

Your list is ok, but hardly a super trimmed tournament winning one. If you played in a tournament that runs composition scoring I'd be surprised if you got marked badly for this.

As it is you wll have trouble from any mech army since you only have 6 Lascannon for anti-tank (which trust me isnt enough) and difficulty against IG, SW, BA and DE generally.

What are you talking about? Bolt of change is a anti mech, termies are definitely anti mech with icon to deep strike on, and raptors are anti mech. 11 anti mech is the total count, 6 of which add 1 to penetration rolls and 5 of which have melta profile

You have three scoring units.
You have five pretty much second-tier assault units (none of them would individually want to take on a unit of TH/SS terms, Thunderwolves or Bloodcrushers).
You have decent anti-tank and anti infantry firepower.

One thing I like about LR spam is that it more or less laughs at Long Fangs.

But generally, three LRs in 2000 isn't all that scary. Particularly Chaos LR, which lack loyalists' three most important assets- being able to drive 12" and still fire a gun, being able to split fire, and being able to mount a multimelta.

It'll roll some lists which aren't build properly for 5th. This being the edition of the vehicle and the meltagun, armies which bring insufficient melta goodness will be hard pressed to stand against you. That said, pretty much every good 5th ed list has a bunch of melta.

This is the kind of list which could be frowned on at small local stores where the players do not field competitive lists, and whose armies haven't been substantially revised in an edition or two. In any tournament where the players know what they're doing, this would be seen as a neat, fun, change of pace list.

Bolt of change only has 24" range and is only S8, and your meltas wont be in range until at least turn 2. Meltas are only ok if they can get within 6", and while you are waiting for reserve rolls your opponents tanks will be blasting holes out of yours or getting into possitions that will cause you serious trouble, since you wont want to be moving your landraiders forward because they will be firing.

I personally think this is a good list. but a close combat army would take it down fairly easy. you have power weapons on your champions instead of power fists if anything with a T5+ or higher I gets in CC its going to give you a hard time.

ok so heres the re-done list:

175 Demon Prince with Mark of tzeentch, warptime, wings
275 Abadon
228 8 khorne berserkers- powerfist 1 plasma, icon
245 Land Raider with dozer blade daemonic poss
245 Land Raider
120 5 chaos raptors- 2 meltaguns
275 10 khorne berserkers- 2 plasma champ with power weapon icon
140 4 terminators with combi- meltas
244 8 plague marines- 2 plasma guns champ with power sword
50 Rhino

1997

Why bother taking Plasma on Khorne Bezerkers?

Abbadon is a huge amount of points to be flaunting around when you only have 3 scoring units.

Plague Champ with power Sword? You strike at the same time as a Guardsmen. Make the hit count for instagibbing I.C.'S.

Cut Plague Marines down to 7 men and Bezerkers down to 8 to regain favor. Cut Abbadon and you have enough points for another Plaue Marine unit in a Rhino. If you drop a Land Raider you could get another group so as to have 2 Land Raiders and 3 Plague Marine units in Rhinos with 2x Melta. Keep Daemon Prince behind the armor until it's time and just roll up and wreck face.

You have a good list idea but I think it can be made more efficient. Heres a revised list Ive done for you keeping it similar to what you have.
1999pts

HQ
Daemon Prince 175pts
MoT, WT, wings.

Kharn The Betrayer 165pts

TROOPS
Bezerkers(8) 168pts

Bezerkers(8) 213pts
Champ has PF and PI.

Bezerkers(8) 213pts
Champ has PF and PI.

ELITES
Terminators(3) 105pts
3 combi meltas.

Terminators(3) 105pts
3 combi meltas.

Terminators(3) 105pts
3 combi meltas.

HEAVY SUPPORT
Land Raider 250pts
DB, DP and a pintle TLB.

Land Raider 250pts
DB, DP and a pintle TLB.

Land Raider 250pts
DB, DP and a pintle TLB.

If you dont like kharn you could roll with a greater daemon



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Haha I wrote that before you posted your revised list, I was busy so didnt get to finish my post untill now.

Roujheh wrote:You have a good list idea but I think it can be made more efficient. Heres a revised list Ive done for you keeping it similar to what you have.
1999pts

HQ
Daemon Prince 175pts
MoT, WT, wings.

Kharn The Betrayer 165pts

TROOPS
Bezerkers(8) 168pts

Bezerkers(8) 213pts
Champ has PF and PI.

Bezerkers(8) 213pts
Champ has PF and PI.

ELITES
Terminators(3) 105pts
3 combi meltas.

Terminators(3) 105pts
3 combi meltas.

Terminators(3) 105pts
3 combi meltas.

HEAVY SUPPORT
Land Raider 250pts
DB, DP and a pintle TLB.

Land Raider 250pts
DB, DP and a pintle TLB.

Land Raider 250pts
DB, DP and a pintle TLB.

If you dont like kharn you could roll with a greater daemon



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Haha I wrote that before you posted your revised list, I was busy so didnt get to finish my post untill now.

This is interesting, but you just killed the theme of my chaos army of Abaddon since he has all 4 gods. I definitely think your suggestion works, but its not my type of fluff. Im not a very Khorny fan

Oh failbaddon. It seems like you're conflicted between a fluffy army & a competitive army.

I'm not a fan of zerkers, they aren't too good for holding objectives. Also termicide may work alright but it's far from competitive.

Finally how do you propose to deal with horde style armies or MSU? You don't have enough fire power or templates to break a serious horde army and as far as MSU you won't be able to address the threats fast enough.

Take a look at this list :http://yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/10/battle-for-salvation-ze-list/ It's one of the best SW lists I have found and I feel your army would have severe problems with an army of similar play style.

Termicide is alright and bezerkers mess stuff up in cc. I was trying to keep it like his original ist while trying to make it more competitive. Also no list is perfect, no need to compare i to "One of the best SW lists Ive found" as SW are one of the most competitive armies out there reight now. I agree though that he should be more clear as to what he wants, competitive or fluffy.

Defeatmyarmy wrote:ok so heres the re-done list:

175 Demon Prince with Mark of tzeentch, warptime, wings
275 Abadon
228 8 khorne berserkers- powerfist 1 plasma, icon
245 Land Raider with dozer blade daemonic poss
245 Land Raider
120 5 chaos raptors- 2 meltaguns
275 10 khorne berserkers- 2 plasma champ with power weapon icon
140 4 terminators with combi- meltas
244 8 plague marines- 2 plasma guns champ with power sword
50 Rhino

1997

I like your original list better, but this looks pretty decent if your local group uses weaker lists/complains about three LR in 2000pts. I agree that the plasma pistols are a waste. Too expensive for what you get. I think some of your math is off, too.

Here's a slight tweak:

Defeatmyarmy wrote:ok so heres the re-done list:

175 Demon Prince with Mark of tzeentch, warptime, wings
275 Abaddon
208 8 khorne berserkers, champ with powerfist
130 5 chaos raptors, 2 meltaguns, Icon of Glory
245 10 khorne berserkers, icon, champ with power weapon
140 4 terminators with combi- meltas
231 7 plague marines, icon, 2 plasma guns champ with fist
35 Rhino
245 Land Raider with dozer blade daemonic poss
245 Land Raider with dozer blade daemonic poss
65 5 Lesser Daemons
1999

This gets you a little more focused punch, and adds another scoring unit in the lessers. You can also use Daemonette models for the LDs, which gets your 4th chaos god into the army for theme/appearance purposes. If you don't like daemons, you could spend the same points giving the terminators an Icon of Tzeentch, two fists, and getting a combi-melta for the Rhino.

I was using that list as an example of a properly constructed MSU list. That and when I build I list I find the nastiest one out there & ask "How would my list fair Vs that" If you can beat the best, you can beat the rest.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:

Take a look at this list :http://yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/10/battle-for-salvation-ze-list/ It's one of the best SW lists I have found and I feel your army would have severe problems with an army of similar play style.

Lists like this here are by the dozen at most to all tourneys. Chaos has a VERY hard time tackling these armies and to be honest...our book just can't compete with the utility of certain armies.

I have trouble parsing that first sentence. Could you repeat?

I don't actually see that many Stelek-style lists at events; they're out there, but not very common IME.

bd1085 wrote:

Shas'O Dorian wrote:

Take a look at this list :http://yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/10/battle-for-salvation-ze-list/ It's one of the best SW lists I have found and I feel your army would have severe problems with an army of similar play style.

Lists like this here are by the dozen at most to all tourneys. Chaos has a VERY hard time tackling these armies and to be honest...our book just can't compete with the utility of certain armies.

Did you read the list? How would that list handle 3 LRs?
This list is very much a rock and there are quite a few lists out there that can deal with three LRs rather easily. That list is not one of them.
OT I fail to see how that KP galore list is anywhere near "the best SW list" out there