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Here is my initial 1,500pts list for you all to take a look at. C&c always welcome. I know the chain snares are wasteful but I had 15pts spare so added them to the raiders. They could easy go though what i`d add instead i`m not so sure.

HQ

Archon- 150pts
Agoniser
Combat drugs
Ghostplate armour
Clonefield
Phantasm grenade launcher
Haywire grenades

ELITE

5 incubi mounted in a raider- 185pts
Flicker fields or night shields plus chain snares

TROOPS

9 wyches plus hekatrix in a raider- 230pts
Squad Haywire grenades
Venom blade and Phantasm grenade launcher for hekatrix
1 set of razor flails
Flickerfield or night shieldsplus chain snares

9 Kabalite Warriors with sybarite- 140pts
1 blaster
1 dark lance

9 Kabalite warriors with sybarite in raider- 220pts
1 blaster
1 splinter cannon
agoniser
Flickerfield or night shieldsplus chain snares

FAST ATTACK

9 hellions plus helliarch- 205pts
Agoniser
Phantasm grenade launcher

4 reaver jetbikers plus arena champion- 140pts
Agoniser

HEAVY SUPPORT

Ravager- 115pts
Dark lances
flickerfields

Ravager- 115pts
Dark lances
flickerfields

I'd take that 15 points of chainflails and buy your wyches a second pair of razorflails and the hekatrix a venom blade. You might as well, since you paid for the full unit and hekatrix already anyway.

I'm curious about the haywires... They're nice, but not very useful on fast-moving vehicles or dreads, and T3 models with a 6+ save don't like being base to base with exploding vehicles...

What's your plan for the reavers by the way? Even with combat drugs and an agonizer, 4 reavers won't be working anybody over except maybe heavy weapon teams or devastators. They tend to be best used with heat lances or cluster pods.

I think swapping out the reavers for a 3rd ravager would fare better. Points saved can get a unit leader for the incubi if you drop chain snares

The Defenestrator wrote:I'd take that 15 points of chainflails and buy your wyches a second pair of razorflails and the hekatrix a venom blade. You might as well, since you paid for the full unit and hekatrix already anyway.

I'm curious about the haywires... They're nice, but not very useful on fast-moving vehicles or dreads, and T3 models with a 6+ save don't like being base to base with exploding vehicles...

What's your plan for the reavers by the way? Even with combat drugs and an agonizer, 4 reavers won't be working anybody over except maybe heavy weapon teams or devastators. They tend to be best used with heat lances or cluster pods.

The wych Hekatrix has the venom blade. Put the list in the wrong order. I was thinking 2 razor flails but wasnt sure. Also only having one box until either my birthday or christmas limits the build as well though it is a good suggestion.

5 reavers one upgraded to arena champ. Mainly the plan is a harassing unit. Points sink I know but the models are superb. Any suggestions for what I could do with them though would be great.

As for the incubi leader. Is it really worth it when they are accompied by the archon? I mean he has his use but would it add to the squad?

3 reavers with a heat lance and cluster caltrops is 88pts and a much better harassing unit (they really aren't much in combat, so keep them out of it), and that frees you up some points to buy your hekatrix and agoniser, which is a much better weapon for her. wounding on 4s and ignoring armour is much better than wounding on 6s.

I dont think much of night shields on vehicles that will be moving forward because practically everything will be in range of them anyway. They're much better on ravagers, which you dont want getting too close.

Sybarites are un unnecessary expense in your warrior squads because they aren't really adding much. Again they're not good in combat and adding a single extra attack for 10pts wont make any difference. Even the one with an agoniser wont actually accomplish much. Spend the points on more incubi.

Appart from that it looks ok.

Regwon wrote:3 reavers with a heat lance and cluster caltrops is 88pts and a much better harassing unit (they really aren't much in combat, so keep them out of it), and that frees you up some points to buy your hekatrix and agoniser, which is a much better weapon for her. wounding on 4s and ignoring armour is much better than wounding on 6s.

I dont think much of night shields on vehicles that will be moving forward because practically everything will be in range of them anyway. They're much better on ravagers, which you dont want getting too close.

Sybarites are un unnecessary expense in your warrior squads because they aren't really adding much. Again they're not good in combat and adding a single extra attack for 10pts wont make any difference. Even the one with an agoniser wont actually accomplish much. Spend the points on more incubi.

Appart from that it looks ok.

The reason the hekatrix has the venom blade is its the better weapon for a wych and wounds on a 2+. The agoniser is only useful in some situations. Originally I was going to put an agoniser on her but there were a lot of threads suggesting that the venom blade is infact better. At some point though i`ll have enough models to chop and change so it could be done.

Yeah many people have said about night shields though I can always use flicker fields instead.

As for the sybarites. There mainly there for the extra LD not the attack

Anymore input I can get for my list would be much appreciated.