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Has anyone used a Master of the Forge so they could run 6 dreadnoughts in an army? If so, what was your results and any recommendations for a competitive list? Is running a 6 dreadnoughts list even competitive or is it asking for trouble?

Depends. That's 6 more KP and 3 less Elite and 3 less HS. It's a bad idea for 6. maybe 3, 2 elite, 1 HS.

I dunno what Chowderhead is talking about honestly.

Anywho, a 6 Dreadnought list can indeed be a nasty foe to many. 6 Ironclads in Pods is tough for ANYBODY to deal with, while 6 Dreadnought of the shooty variety with Autocannons, Lascannons, and Missile Launchers will end mech armies and be very able to tie up squads without anything capable of Penning AV12.

This should be in tactics, not battle reports

Agreed - Shazam!

My drop marines use this idea with 4 dreads in pods. 2 of the melta type, 1 with ML and LC, and one iron clad. These all drop in on turn one. other pods have sternguard or tactical squads for mop up. If opponents try to reserve their vehicles, then I reverse the drop order.

List can be super explosive and totally shut down the opponent, or the dreads do almost nothing and dissappoint. Usually more of explosive, but failed melta's can be bad.

Against hordes you have to play totally different and suffer from horrible mobility. You should be winning by turn 2 or 3, if not your probably not going to win.

Alpharius wrote:Agreed - Shazam!

Sigged.

I dont know about 6 dread armys (BA can do a 9), but his laser weapon thing is preety cool. Dreads are good, so its not a bad idea. Try it out.

Blood Angels can do eleven - three furious for elites, twenty-five man death company, 5 death company dreads, and 3 normal dreads for Heavy Support.

Mustela wrote:Blood Angels can do eleven - three furious for elites, twenty-five man death company, 5 death company dreads, and 3 normal dreads for Heavy Support.

They can also deep strike 1000 points of death company armed with duel thunder hammers inside a land raider, that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

A 6 ironclad vulcan motf list is a rare sight in tournaments that many people are glad not to go up against.

i never have run the full 6 Dreds, but taking a MotF does allow for some FoC shifting.

for example, you might want some Sternguard and your Dreadnoughts.

i once ran a Pedro Kantor list with a MotF, Pedro, 1 Squad of Sternguard, 1 Squad of Shooty Terminators with 2 Cyclones, and then 4 Dreadnoughts(1 Las/missile, 2 Rifleman, and 1 IClad)


if you won't be using your HS slots for any thing else then using it for Dreadnoughts is pretty nifty if you have other Elites you would like.

I usually run a MotF with 3; shifting 1 from one slot to the other(Effectively 1 HS, 1 Elite, 1 Swing) Depending on which I need more in an individual List, another Elite, or HS.

Most of the time I have 5 Termies and a LRC, so if I want to take 1 more of either slot, I switch the 3rd dread to the other slot. It often sees the Field as an Elite so I can throw the MotF(with Conversion Beamer) Into a ML Dev squad.

Although I know this isn't part of the actual OP's question, a really nasty way to use the MOTF is by getting his laser of doom, and putting him on a bike.. Be prepared to lose friends though..

ANYWAY:

I don't really think that having that many dreads is a truly viable idea for an army. Melta's will destroy you if your list is alpha striking ironclads and melta dreads, and if they castle up to protect their vehicles there's actually a pretty good chance that few of your dreads will be able to deep strike close enough to go target hunting. (this is by no means guaranteed though)

If, instead, you decide to go with dakka Dreads, you may have better luck. But I think there are better choices that are more durable or more killy.

While the dreadnought has the potential to achieve a happy medium between killing power, range, mobility, and durability, I don't think that when you consider these strengths, and compare them to the strengths and weaknesses of other units, that dreadnoughts are able to keep up.

They are almost certainly better than techmarines, but Terminators, and sternguard, are, on the whole, better imho.

I've a friend who runs 6 dreds in drop pods, and he has had mixed results. Some games everything comes down, hits its target, and obliterates the opposition. Other games his stuff comes in and misses, then his alpha strike gets hammered and the rest of his army comes in piecemeal, and gets taken apart. He tells me he loves his list, and it preforms better more often than it performs poorly, so he would recommend giving it a go.

I myself frequently have considered a list like this, but have balked at the idea of transporting places it to play games. It just seems difficult to move that many drop pods safely or easily.

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I would use either 6 Ironclads, or six Dreads in Pods. The Drop Pod list is very good for a reserves army. I've considered using him with Vulkan to make all their weapons Twin Linked.