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 tauist wrote:
 Sabotage! wrote:
Just a quick question for anyone in the know. Is Shadowvaults able to be played without Into the Dark? I ended up skipping because I’m not a huge Kroot fan, and would like Shadowvaults. I have Octarius and Moroch and all the rulebooks/tokens/cards etc.


I should hope so. Only things you might be missing are the generic "Close Confines Game Rules", but those are like 2 pages max (weapons with blast/torrent etc gain 5+ lethal, guard, no tac ops in matched play...), but I cannot confirm this info


Yes it is. It has the Close Quarters rules, Killzone: Gallowdark rules, and Killzone: Shadowvaults rules (for the unique scatter terrain and turrets). It only misses the Killzone: Into the Dark rules, which is 1 page of rules covering the scatter terrain from the Into the Dark box.

 
   
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 stahly wrote:
Yes it is. It has the Close Quarters rules, Killzone: Gallowdark rules, and Killzone: Shadowvaults rules (for the unique scatter terrain and turrets). It only misses the Killzone: Into the Dark rules, which is 1 page of rules covering the scatter terrain from the Into the Dark box.
I hope you are able to do some scale comparison pics of the new models, especially if you have old metal Kasrkin to compare the new ones with.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 stahly wrote:
Yes it is. It has the Close Quarters rules, Killzone: Gallowdark rules, and Killzone: Shadowvaults rules (for the unique scatter terrain and turrets). It only misses the Killzone: Into the Dark rules, which is 1 page of rules covering the scatter terrain from the Into the Dark box.
I hope you are able to do some scale comparison pics of the new models, especially if you have old metal Kasrkin to compare the new ones with.



Yeah will do once I get my box from customs. I don't have metal Kasrkin, but plastic Cadians, Vostroyans, plastic Death Korps, and Traitor Guard

 
   
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 stahly wrote:
Here is my Shadowvaults review:

https://taleofpainters.com/2022/10/review-kill-team-shadowvaults/

Hopefully answering the question of whether there are 9 or 8 Necron models included, what rules are reprinted from Into the Dark and what are missing, and how much new terrain there really is.


Thanks Stahly! Great review and you answered my question about what rules were printed perfectly.

 
   
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Any in the UK manage to get a copy of Shadowvaults?

was busy iutill 11 and by that time all the discount 3rd party sellers seem to have sold out - people must really want those Kasrkin!

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 Kinetochore wrote:
Any in the UK manage to get a copy of Shadowvaults?

was busy iutill 11 and by that time all the discount 3rd party sellers seem to have sold out - people must really want those Kasrkin!


Wayland still have some with 20% discount and free shipping - https://www.waylandgames.co.uk/games-workshop-pre-orders/93517-kill-team-shadowvaults-english

I was surprised how quickly this one sold out given the terrain was repeated.
   
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CanYouRollACrit review of the new box:



Think imma pass on this one after all, just getting the book and Kaskrin separately at some point.

If every box in this season comes with the same base terrain set, I'll just get one more box of the spaceship walls kit and the books separately. Plus any odd team which tickles my fancy. Not into adding redundant spaceship terrain into my piles of shame thx
   
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 Rihgu wrote:
EightFoldPath wrote:
From the article.
Unlike their Compendium counterparts, the Hierotek Circle aren’t limited to a single Tactical Ploy.

We all knew this is what they were doing, but to actually say it out loud...

Sorry, what are they doing, and what did they say out loud?

We suspect that planned power creep throughout an edition of 40k or AoS is the norm. We also suspect the Compendium armies weren't just lazy, but part of a simple plan to release poor copies of each faction then replace them with the finished product new kill teams. Its just a little sad to see them patting themselves on the back about it. Look how we made the new version of this army better than compendium by giving them more than one Ploy!
   
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Aeneades wrote:
 Kinetochore wrote:
Any in the UK manage to get a copy of Shadowvaults?

was busy iutill 11 and by that time all the discount 3rd party sellers seem to have sold out - people must really want those Kasrkin!


Wayland still have some with 20% discount and free shipping - https://www.waylandgames.co.uk/games-workshop-pre-orders/93517-kill-team-shadowvaults-english

I was surprised how quickly this one sold out given the terrain was repeated.


Been burnt too many times by Wayland saying they have stock and it never coming. I would guess if it has sold out with GW, they will not be getting any extra! Wayland is too eager to take your money IMO!
   
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Darksphere is showing second print run available 20th Oct, but like Wayland they will pre-sell w/o stock at every opportunity (illustrated by the fact that, by their own admission, the second run is released in December). Must assume there will be another run of this product with all sellers at some point.
   
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Wayland today:
Earlier we were informed not only that Games Workshop had sold out of both their retail and trade stock of Kill Team: Shadowvaults in all languages but that our full inventory of Shadowvaults would not be fulfilled. We have also been made aware that they no longer have plans on moving forward with a second wave of product, including a made to order version. We were only made aware of this fact today, which sadly means we now have unfulfillable orders on our system.

In the interest of fairness, we are conducting first come first serve fulfilment of the stock, while still working closely with Games Workshop to resolve the situation best we can.

I have cancelled your item and refunded the full amount back to your original payment method. This may take up to 5 working days to be fully processed, depending on the payment method used.


Everything in the box will get released separately though I guess?

   
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Yep. Just got that as well. What’s more annoying is that they have been sending that out to people for several days now so they didn’t only find out today but have known for some time.
   
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There's no need to be annoyed by the fact they haven't updated their copy-pasted cancellation message to a day 2/3/4 version.
   
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They might be sending the messages in batches, as some providers will block anyone sending out hundreds of bulk emails in one go if they don't usually do that. Plus they'll want to leave an allowance for regular order update emails to go out.
   
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No idea what Wayland are up to but they have just opened up preorders again with limited remaining stock.
   
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They got 50 copies (for example no idea on actual numbers), they had 500 preorders so cancelled the lot and have gone for a first come first served model to sell what they got

not sure why they didn't just sell the 50 to the people who preordered first though? (i'd have thought there were time stamps on it?)

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
They got 50 copies (for example no idea on actual numbers), they had 500 preorders so cancelled the lot and have gone for a first come first served model to sell what they got

not sure why they didn't just sell the 50 to the people who preordered first though? (i'd have thought there were time stamps on it?)


Where are you getting that from?
I thought they meant of the existing “500” they did a first come first served method and picked “1-50” and cancelled “51-500”


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Maybe they then realised they had a few more “the limited remaining” and opened up new ones rather than contacting “51-70” or however many, as they were already cancelled.

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i think thats what their statements meant, i could be wrong, but thats what it sounded like to me

 
   
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I think reopening orders was just a mistake. I purchased a copy and was refunded today. That’s 4 out of 4 cancellations now (2 wayland, 2 elsewhere).
   
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Has GW underproduced by a lot this time?

   
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 NAVARRO wrote:
Has GW underproduced by a lot this time?


Or Kasrkin for Guard and Necrons as one of the 2 face armies of the edition are a lot higher interest/demand than Kroot and Navy were.
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Or Kasrkin for Guard and Necrons as one of the 2 face armies of the edition are a lot higher interest/demand than Kroot and Navy were.


Could be true for the Kasrkin, but the necron side of thing is not very exiting tbh, especially since we still don't know how thos things will translate in 40k and the immortal kit has always been the one GW has used to pad Necron boxes for a while now, so what you really want there is just a tiny upgrade sprue.

I think it could also simply be the fact that the box is just a bit more fairly priced compared to the previous one, to the point that I almost feel tempted to get it, resell the karskin et get a free terain and book as bonus for my cryptek and immortal+ bundle.
   
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 (HN) wrote:
Could be true for the Kasrkin, but the necron side of thing is not very exiting tbh, especially since we still don't know how thos things will translate in 40k and the immortal kit has always been the one GW has used to pad Necron boxes for a while now, so what you really want there is just a tiny upgrade sprue.

The Immortals are not only troops, but the box also builds nice sniper unit. You also get two (three/better sarge?) characters and buffing bots in the deal. You'd need a really big Necron army to not want any of these, compared to this, the upgrade sprue (which only is of interest for the minor Tek, really, because all it offers for other units is just a handful of variant heads) is pretty minor deal, I feel.

In fact, the deal is so good I have no idea how GW will offer it in standalone box. Because if they make it just 5 dudes + sprue without Cryptek, it will be one of the worst KT boxes, but I just can't see offering it all in box priced same as the other teams.

Then again they might do so, in previous KT edition their character boxes were priced the same which funnily enough made some of them far cheaper than the same character in 40K box despite extras KT had thrown in...
   
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 Irbis wrote:
The Immortals are not only troops, but the box also builds nice sniper unit.

I fail to see how that contradict what I just said about the fact that Immortals have been by far the most overused box padding for necrons for a while now.
Just look at the combat patrol. You get 10 of them there.
And... you know that the "nice sniper" (aka one of the wort unit in the codex) are build off the same sprue, right? If you build a sniper you can't build an immortal.

 Irbis wrote:
You also get two (three/better sarge?) characters and buffing bots in the deal.

Why are you trying to argue with me while clearly not having a clue about wtf you are trying to argue about?
What you get here is a single upgrade sprue which is, as we just discussed, frankly underwhelming and intentionally poorly designed.
Again, as we just discussed, we still have no idea what this sprue will mean for 40k (just go check my speculation if you care).

 Irbis wrote:
You'd need a really big Necron army to not want any of these

Not really no. Literally the very first thing you should always brab when starting a necron army is some immortals and a technomancer, aka exactly what this box contain.
It's like having intercessor and lieutenant in a box. If you play marines, that's the last thing you are looking for.

 Irbis wrote:
compared to this, the upgrade sprue (which only is of interest for the minor Tek, really, because all it offers for other units is just a handful of variant heads) is pretty minor deal, I feel.

Execpt, yaknow, it's the new part and thus what we care about because if we really wanted to buy some immortals for our necron armies, I doubt a very overpriced box packed with terrain and rules for a game we don't really care would be our best go to choice, and this is precisly the problem, the only part really interesting here for the necon is a small and botched upgrade sprue.

 Irbis wrote:
In fact, the deal is so good I have no idea how GW will offer it in standalone box. Because if they make it just 5 dudes + sprue without Cryptek, it will be one of the worst KT boxes, but I just can't see offering it all in box priced same as the other teams.

Welp, they are going to the exact same thing than what they did for the other upgrade sprue teams, simply inflate the price of the box a bit.
Let's hope they realize that the sprue is very mediocre and just round up the immortal price to 45 (from 42$) rather than slapping the usual +5 they have done so far.

 Irbis wrote:
Then again they might do so, in previous KT edition their character boxes were priced the same which funnily enough made some of them far cheaper than the same character in 40K box despite extras KT had thrown in...

I don't know what you are talking about, but it's pretty clear that this team wont get "a box" with the technomancer bundled with the immortals, not only because the team itself can take any of the cryptek, not just the technomancer, but also because it would just make make the thing unsellable for the majority of players (ie 40k players).

Just like the legionaries they will sell the "kill team immortal" box until 10, then just make it the default for 40k. (I'm surprise they even bother with the "kill team" box and don't just directly repackage the 40k box like they did for the Tau Strike Team.
   
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 Irbis wrote:

Then again they might do so, in previous KT edition their character boxes were priced the same which funnily enough made some of them far cheaper than the same character in 40K box despite extras KT had thrown in...


The Blooded box costs the same as the Veteran Guardsmen, but has a commissar and ogryn thrown in for free.
   
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 (HN) wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
Or they'll go the Novitiates route, and there won't be rules for any of the specialists in the basic 40K unit.


True, but outside of the Corsaires all the KT new kits, especially the upgrade ones, ended up being a way for GW to fluff up a bit the datasheet of existing units.

The Corsairs were clearly a test run to see how they could bring specialist from TK to 40k, and its pretty clear that they realized having them as awkward addon to a unit wasn't the best idea ever so they shifted to a simpler model where the specialist that are represented with a specific piece of gear would just end up as a new wargear option (like the bale fire tome, which I'm surprised wasn't bundled with the daemon blade ngl).
I wouldn't be surprised if in 10th they'll revise the corsair to remove all the specialists and (HOPEFULLY) make them HQ instead.



Sisters Novitiates and Kasrkin disagree. Note that Sisters Novitiates predate the Corsairs. DKoK and Traitor Guard KTs are also somewhat questionable.

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