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 cuda1179 wrote:
Did anyone else notice that in the artwork the Kahl is armed with an Ax AND a power fist? Is this going to lead to another one of those Elder Autarch situations where you can't legally build the guy in the artwork?

I was thinking the same exact thing. That said I doubt many people will complain that you can't have that pretty bad dual mele weapon build.

 (HN) wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Did anyone else notice that in the artwork the Kahl is armed with an Ax AND a power fist? Is this going to lead to another one of those Elder Autarch situations where you can't legally build the guy in the artwork?

I was thinking the same exact thing. That said I doubt many people will complain that you can't have that pretty bad dual mele weapon build.

I think that will depend on what the weapons stats look like and if there is a pistol option. If he has a pistol the loss of the storm bolter is mitigated. For all we know a plasma ax may give bonus attacks like a chainsword. I could see a Kaul with that setup if that were the case.

Welp, he do have a pistol here. it looks like some kind of volkait pistol to me.

Tinbots coming back?

Now you not only have my curiosity, you have my attention.

Time to dust off the old Squat army, I guess.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
and we've still got whoever that raven head from the rumour engine is acting as a badge of rank for (unless it's an alternate for todays bloke, and since they show the alternate head/weapon i think they'd show an alternate animal standard too if it was there)

The raven icon will be on the psyker Squat. Why? In one word, Njal. If you're a bearded, nordic looking psyker, per GW you need a raven. Njal has a raven, and so will the psyker Squat.

It's science!

Genuine Thought.

The Kahl is the closest we’ve seen so far to Kharadron In Spaaaaaaaaaace.

I’m wondering and indeed suspecting (albeit with only opinion) if that’s a deliberate choice, and the design cues of said Kharadron lead to GW boxing themself into something of a design corner when it came to the Squats?

Edited to use the right bloody word.

Probably various existing dwarfish design elements have gone into them. The standards seen in the artwork in the latest WC article look similar to the Chaos Dwarf infernal guard standard bearers.

It won't happen, but if they manage to give the Leagues of Votann a version of Shar'tor the Executioner, I shall be overjoyed.

 (HN) wrote:


Welp, he do have a pistol here. it looks like some kind of volkait pistol to me.

The article referred to the volkite/fist combo at the end.

Wonder if there are other un shown equipment options, like the Canoness.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonder if there are other un shown equipment options, like the Canoness.

This is a multipart kit with options for heads, weapons, and equipment, so you can tailor your commander to a particular battlefield role. We can’t say exactly what all the weapons do yet – but a volkite-and-power-fist combo can’t be bad.

This is what Warcom says

Of course, just because Warcom said it, doesn't mean it's true.

Doesn’t really confirm it either way. Volkite, Storm Bolter, Powerfist and Plasma Axe are all options we know. But right now we don’t know if they’re set pairings, or the only bits of kit this duder comes with.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Doesn’t really confirm it either way. Volkite, Storm Bolter, Powerfist and Plasma Axe are all options we know. But right now we don’t know if they’re set pairings, or the only bits of kit this duder comes with.

I’d expect the bolt pistol and or plasma pistol equivalents and maybe another head. they like 3 heads, maybe a female head? As for other CC weapons? Maybe a sword?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Genuine Thought.

The Kahl is the closest we’ve seen so far to Kharadron In Spaaaaaaaaaace.

I’m wondering and indeed suspecting (albeit with only opinion) if that’s a deliberate choice, and the design cues of said Kharadron lead to GW boxing themself into something of a design corner when it came to the Squats?

Edited to use the right bloody word.

They do seem to have gone for a broadly similar style for both the Kharadron and Leagues, even just the core idea of them both being Dwarfs wearing armoured pressure suits including Air-tank like backpacks.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Doesn’t really confirm it either way. Volkite, Storm Bolter, Powerfist and Plasma Axe are all options we know. But right now we don’t know if they’re set pairings, or the only bits of kit this duder comes with.

looking at the Autarch kit its probably reasonable to expect another set of weapons - a hammer being one of them is a good bet; also a female head seems likely given the female options in other kits. I wonder if there will be alt chest piece- not necessarily female as they don't seem to need it but maybe a different armour type. Also think there might be the back banner thing featured in the art. If they don't go for another chest piece or a back pack variation there might be sprue space for other things. The Sisters Cannoness has 4 heads and 8 weapon options for example..but thats 2 sprues.

 silverstu wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Doesn’t really confirm it either way. Volkite, Storm Bolter, Powerfist and Plasma Axe are all options we know. But right now we don’t know if they’re set pairings, or the only bits of kit this duder comes with.

looking at the Autarch kit its probably reasonable to expect another set of weapons - a hammer being one of them is a good bet; also a female head seems likely given the female options in other kits. I wonder if there will be alt chest piece- not necessarily female as they don't seem to need it but maybe a different armour type. Also think there might be the back banner thing featured in the art. If they don't go for another chest piece or a back pack variation there might be sprue space for other things. The Sisters Cannoness has 4 heads and 8 weapon options for example..but thats 2 sprues.

Correction; the Cannoness had 4 heads, 9 weapon options, 2 backpack options and 2 front chest options.

Splog wrote:
Probably various existing dwarfish design elements have gone into them. The standards seen in the artwork in the latest WC article look similar to the Chaos Dwarf infernal guard standard bearers.

It won't happen, but if they manage to give the Leagues of Votann a version of Shar'tor the Executioner, I shall be overjoyed.

Just to say massive +1 to this. If we get good models with bull and boar standards this whole range may suddenly go in a decidedly new direction. (So...direction 5 at this point?)

Tbh an optional range of Chaos Dwarf heads/beards would also contribute a lot. But its hard to fit in a space suit.

The 2 standard bearers in the art are interesting, I'd hope those are part of some sort of command squad rather than separate characters.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The 2 standard bearers in the art are interesting, I'd hope those are part of some sort of command squad rather than separate characters.

50/50 chance on that one.
Looking at the recent space marine banner and judging by the fact that the LoV line probably won't be super extensive, I wouldn't be surprised if that was just a separate character.

Votann Ancients (but not Ancients because Primaris Ancient means something way different than Votann Ancient)

I really hope these get a kill team in PDF form and not as a white dwarf thing, like how they just dropped that intercessor KT as a free download. I really like how these are turning out, especially with that alternate red armor color scheme.

So why this dude has a storm bolter? Did the Votann copy it? Because the STC weapon is actually twin bolter, storm bolters were invented by Imperium as its better, more compact variant after the Heresy. Yes, I know GW forgot Imperium was supposed to develop a lot of stuff during the 10.000 years it existed and stupidly started to give gak to CSM they have no business owning (or even worse, having it as standard gear in HH) but it's still puzzling. Why not give the Votann leader some actual Dark Age relic weapon instead of signature gun of other faction? Or did they retcon the origins and now it's Votann who invented it and sold Imperium the design?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The inference is still mostly community based, but put together from GW’s releases.

For instance, it’s confirmed Ion Technology was sold/traded/gifted to the Tau by the Votann, and the Imperium isn’t likely to be happy if it ever found out.

And we’ve seen one head sculpt with head bumps similar to the Demiurg concept sketch.

It remains inference for now, but it’s pretty well supported. What we may never find out is whether Demiurg are an offshoot like the Necromundan Squats, and so a sub-society of Votann from a while ago, or a disguise adopted for opportunistic trading etc.

'Inference'?

In Gothic, Demiurg belong to SrrykTok brotherhood. Votann lore has Seran-Tok Mercantile Leagues as one of main factions. That's not inference, that's as blatant as it gets...

He doesn't have a Storm Bolter!

He very clearly has a bolt-action matchlock trebuchet Bolter! Or maybe it's a belt-fed lever action revolver Bolter!

We just don't know yet!

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The 2 standard bearers in the art are interesting, I'd hope those are part of some sort of command squad rather than separate characters.

Yeah a command squad/bodyguard type squad would be excellent. Hearthguard came without exo-armour in the past - might do that again. I wonder if there will be Kahl model in Exo amour, would be a nice option. Hoping any character sets are multipart kits, its not like you can simply buy older models if you want some variation and I'd say a Grimnyr would be a good candidate for a multipart kit.

How many kits and clampacks did Sisters get in their re-release? Was it about 11 kits and 4 characters? So far we can expect 7 kits- Hearthkyn, Hearthguard, Bikes, Beserks, Sagitaur, Thunderers [the heavy weapon toting unit]and the Land Fortress.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
He doesn't have a Storm Bolter!

He very clearly has a bolt-action matchlock trebuchet Bolter! Or maybe it's a belt-fed lever action revolver Bolter!

We just don't know yet!

Its an Autarch Bolter - its in the weapon art they released earlier.

 silverstu wrote:
How many kits and clampacks did Sisters get in their re-release? Was it about 11 kits and 4 characters? So far we can expect 7 kits- Hearthkyn, Hearthguard, Bikes, Beserks, Sagitaur, Thunderers [the heavy weapon toting unit]and the Land Fortress.

For their first codex Sisters got nine non-character units, five character units, plus however you want to classify St. Kathy, plus a terrain piece, plus the launch box monopose models. And if you want to count it, a lone Sister Superior preceding the main release by half a year.

 Geifer wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
How many kits and clampacks did Sisters get in their re-release? Was it about 11 kits and 4 characters? So far we can expect 7 kits- Hearthkyn, Hearthguard, Bikes, Beserks, Sagitaur, Thunderers [the heavy weapon toting unit]and the Land Fortress.

For their first codex Sisters got nine non-character units, five character units, plus however you want to classify St. Kathy, plus a terrain piece, plus the launch box monopose models. And if you want to count it, a lone Sister Superior preceding the main release by half a year.

Cheers! StKathy is probably the equivalent of the Land Fortress -centre piece kit maybe? 9 non character and 5 characters would be a great release- one of those is likely going to be a named character. Obviously there won't be a unique launch box by the look of things, we might get a lone model like the Sister as a Christmas/holiday limited model? The sisters did pretty well with those- all the new stuff has given them a really nice, broad range. I did think the Leagues would just get an AoS type release with 6 kits and 4/5 characters but its looking a little bigger.

Yeah, Sisters got a pretty nice initial release. It may also be a decent indication of how many kits GW considers the upper limit for a new army launch. Sisters were (and still are) missing Crusaders, Death Cult Assassins, Preachers and Missionaries that got to keep their old 2nd and 3rd ed models. They should be in the codex and have unit entries, but aren't necessary for a pure Sisters army. I reckon they were GW's go to subgroup to be left out in the rain. Squats don't have any old models, so I reckon that size of model range will give them a functional, if somewhat limited army list until they get a second release down the line. Also, Sisters get a lot of mileage out of the core Sisters kit. I may have missed or forgotten about it, but I can't think of any article showing a dual purpose Squat unit.

 Geifer wrote:
For their first codex Sisters got nine non-character units, five character units, plus however you want to classify St. Kathy, plus a terrain piece, plus the launch box monopose models. And if you want to count it, a lone Sister Superior preceding the main release by half a year.

Wasn't it in three waves, though? Initial monopose preview, then wave 1 after six months, and wave 2 a year later? Comparing whole of that to initial Votann release is kinda unfair, dwarfs might get wave 2 down the line but sisters definitely didn't get all of that at once...

 silverstu wrote:
Its an Autarch Bolter - its in the weapon art they released earlier.

That whooshing noise is the joke going over your head.

 Irbis wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
For their first codex Sisters got nine non-character units, five character units, plus however you want to classify St. Kathy, plus a terrain piece, plus the launch box monopose models. And if you want to count it, a lone Sister Superior preceding the main release by half a year.

Wasn't it in three waves, though? Initial monopose preview, then wave 1 after six months, and wave 2 a year later? Comparing whole of that to initial Votann release is kinda unfair, dwarfs might get wave 2 down the line but sisters definitely didn't get all of that at once...

The Sisters releases were:

1. the preview Sister Superior in summer 2019
2. the launch box with monopose models in November 2019
3. the 8th ed codex and first half of full kits in January 2020
4. the second half in March 2020
5. the release accompanying the 9th ed codex around June 2021

I did not include number 5 in my previous posts because yes, it would be nonsensical to compare two codex releases worth of models with the single one Squats are about to get.

Another note on this, both 1. and 2. are only alternate sculpts for models and units, so Squats won't be worse off in terms of unit variety for missing out on a monopose launch box and a squad leader without a squad. I doubt we'd see another such monopose launch box anyway. GW seems perfectly happy to just put the full kits in these after they got in the habit of army launch boxes with Sisters.

 silverstu wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The 2 standard bearers in the art are interesting, I'd hope those are part of some sort of command squad rather than separate characters.

Its an Autarch Bolter - its in the weapon art they released earlier.

It doesn't quite seem like the Autoch bolter to me, it has similarities for sure, but there also seem to be quite a few differences. The decoration appears to be slightly different and the Autoch doesn't have a bit sticking out above the barrels like that weapon does.