New Tau Release: Stormsurge, Ghostkeel, Coldstar, Breachers, Crisis, Tidewall!. Codex coming!

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**Co'tor Shas**

I'm actually really impressed by this kit. GW have outdone themselves. A duel kit with all the options, down to drones (and two of each) included. Although i'm still sort of annoyed that they brought us down to a 10 man squad. Casting issues perhaps?

**SickSix**

The new Tau stuff is super hot. Love the paint scheme they chose this time around.

**Co'tor Shas**

Ghaz wrote:
Co'tor Shas wrote:
OK, this is wierd, tow sperte store entires (one for strikers, and one for breachers), but the boxes and spruses are completely identical. Sort of odd, but whatever.

I'm assuming you're saying that it's weird that there are two separate online store entries (Breachers and Strike Team) for a single kit. It's actually standard practice for GW. For example, there are separate entries for Deathmarks and Immortals yet they're both the same kit. Same is true for Lychguard and Triarch Praetorians.

Huh, really? Then again, I've only really dealt with tau, and we've never had that AFAIK.

**Kanluwen**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
Ghaz wrote:
Co'tor Shas wrote:
OK, this is wierd, tow sperte store entires (one for strikers, and one for breachers), but the boxes and spruses are completely identical. Sort of odd, but whatever.

I'm assuming you're saying that it's weird that there are two separate online store entries (Breachers and Strike Team) for a single kit. It's actually standard practice for GW. For example, there are separate entries for Deathmarks and Immortals yet they're both the same kit. Same is true for Lychguard and Triarch Praetorians.

Huh, really? Then again, I've only really dealt with tau, and we've never had that AFAIK.

Ehhh...the Sun Shark/Razorshark were set up that way.

The Skitarii, Cult Mechanicus, Necrons, etc stuff that's dual kit is all the same.

**Co'tor Shas**

Ah, well I never bothered with them. I have FW fliers instead.

**Triszin**

Rarely do I praise GW, but those Breacher Helmets are top notche.

I always wondered why CQC teams in the future never had a camera on the back of there helmet, to put up alerts when they were being approached, and give a visual on what that was.

OUTSTANDING!

**Ghaz**

Also the Hammerhead/Sky Ray.

**Ratius**

Hows he different? (dont play Tau) Engine nozel angles?

**Co'tor Shas**

Triszin wrote:
Rarely do I praise GW, but those Breacher Helmets are top notche.

I always wondered why CQC teams in the future never had a camera on the back of there helmet, to put up alerts when they were being approached, and give a visual on what that was.

OUTSTANDING!

Well, the have a little camera on their gun, they could use that to peek around corners.

**Gamgee**

I hope my FLGS can get me the Tidewall and at a good discount too. My only hope. I don't want to pay GW first hand shipping which is insane.

Where as if I go through my FLGS I can get a discount.

**Triszin**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
Triszin wrote:
Rarely do I praise GW, but those Breacher Helmets are top notche.

I always wondered why CQC teams in the future never had a camera on the back of there helmet, to put up alerts when they were being approached, and give a visual on what that was.

OUTSTANDING!

Well, the have a little camera on their gun, they could use that to peek around corners.

I dont think its supposed to be a camera, It looks like a Barrel Stabilizer to me. I think it looks better painted as a stabilizer, a camera right there would get broken way to fast, either internally or externally.

**Co'tor Shas**

Triszin wrote:
Co'tor Shas wrote:
Triszin wrote:
Rarely do I praise GW, but those Breacher Helmets are top notche.

I always wondered why CQC teams in the future never had a camera on the back of there helmet, to put up alerts when they were being approached, and give a visual on what that was.

OUTSTANDING!

Well, the have a little camera on their gun, they could use that to peek around corners.

I dont think its supposed to be a camera, It looks like a Barrel Stabilizer to me. I think it looks better painted as a stabilizer, a camera right there would get broken way to fast, either internally or externally.

They already have stabilizers, the gold do-dads. And I doubt it would break, look at the amount of cameras and sensors the tau use. Heck, they don't even have see-through visors, just cameras on their helmets. If crisis suits aren't constantly blind because their cameras/sensors get hit, I'd say the ones on the end of a gun are probably OK. I mean, if your gun gets hit with enough force to damage it, it won't matter if the camera gets damaged, because your gun is broken anyway. And It 's not that hard to keep something on the gun from being hit by it's own projectile. These aren't wimpy modern day sensors, these are advanced technology, armoured to withstand hits.

**Dr. Delorean**

They've been doing that separate-entry-for-one-kit thing for awhile now. It's to help parents or others not involved in the game get the right kit.

Little Timmy says "Get me a Fire Warrior Strike Squad!" but Timmy!Mum only sees a Breacher squad on the website, so instead of risking buying Timmy the wrong thing, she gets him GTAVI instead.

GW loses money, Timmy learns that he can recoup his expenditure by killing ladies of negotiable affection, and no one wins. Well, maybe Timmy!Mum.

**Tinkrr**

Am I the only one who is really bothered by this guys bird-stache?

**vitae_drinker**

Yeah, I don't like it lol

**Ghaz**

It's not like its a new concept for Space Marines. Marneus Calgar's Honour Guard have had that helmet for years.

**Sidstyler**

It's pretty damn silly, yeah. Other than that one detail, though, it looks pretty much exactly like every single other plain, boring Marine captain in power armor that they've ever done.

**Lord Ruby34**

Unusual Suspect wrote:
Therion wrote:
I can't believe people can fail this badly in reading comprehension. It's pretty obvious that the Coldstar can't take the signature systems.

Access (unlimited!) to Signature Systems (which may well make or break this model, given its point costs) is at stake, and you can't believe people aren't testing the outer boundaries of rule interpretation?

My take:

You start with the (rebuttable) presumption that all words (or as many as possible) function and have meaning within the rule.

That is to say, unless you have something meaningful to show otherwise, a rule's words should mean something.

Now at BEST, there are two interpretations to what "instead" can refer to: A) the three previous options listed, or B) the Crisis Suit wargear.

Looking at the actual words, compare the following:
"May replace its Crisis Suit with a Coldstar suit."
"May instead replace its Crisis Suit with a Coldstar suit."

What function does instead perform under interpretation A? It negates the previously listed options, providing an alternative option: taking a coldstar suited commander.
What function does instead perform under interpretation B? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. "May replace" and "May instead replace" are entirely indistinguishable from each other, because referring to the battlesuit through "instead" doesn't matter due to the replacement of the battlesuit by the Coldstar REGARDLESS.

Between the two interpretations, then, only the "replaces all previous options" interpretation allows "Instead" to function and have meaning within the rule provided. Thus, there is a presumption that "replaces all previous options" is the most appropriate interpretation.

For anyone wanting to argue otherwise, the ball is now in your court: Why would we favor your interpretation DESPITE it making a word meaningless within the rule? Appealing to GW being bad at rule-making isn't going to go far, unless you believe they're SO bad at making rules that the presumption should be for nonfunctional over functional words in the rules. Good luck with that.

Edit: Ooooooooooooh. Preeeeeeeeeetty.

You know, this actually sounds reasonable. I'll concede to your logic.

**TheNewBlood**

The new Fire Warrior Breacher/Striker kit looks great, especially with the options for drones included in the box. That Raven Guard Captain looks absolutely ridiculous though.

**Hulksmash**

Fortifications set is already sold out in Australia and New Zealand. That was fast.

**Tinkrr**

Ghaz wrote:
It's not like its a new concept for Space Marines. Marneus Calgar's Honour Guard have had that helmet for years.

To be fair those ones look like stylized face plats, but because the Raven Guard one has the mouth opening it just looks like a silly bird-stache.

**ChiliPowderKeg**

Tinkrr wrote:
Am I the only one who is really bothered by this guys bird-stache?

He's secretly a fan of Turn A Gundam

**Nilok**

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:
Tinkrr wrote:
Am I the only one who is really bothered by this guys bird-stache?

Spoiler:

He's secretly a fan of Turn A Gundam

Spoiler:

We now know how he should be painted forever more.

**Tinkrr**

Metal mustache >>>>>> Bird-stache.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Metal mustache >>>>>> Bird-stache.

**Irubius**

Sold out. Does that mean it is limited? As I feared then.
Otherwise out of stock would be more correct.

**Mr. Oddity**

Irubius wrote:

Sold out. Does that mean it is limited? As I feared then.
Otherwise out of stock would be more correct.

I'm personally not entirely sure about it being limited.

Games Workshop wrote:This amazing multi-part plastic kit contains everything needed to build a Tidewall Rampart; the mobile fortress and defensive bastion of the Tau Empire. In it, you’ll get a Tidewall Gunrig, a Tidewall Droneport (with four drones, built as gun, marker or shield drones) and two Tidewall Shieldlines.

Emphasis on the above is mine. Based on the wording, it would seem like the individual pieces of the overall rampart are separate sets. Hopefully this means that the three individual components will be available separately. *fingers crossed*

**ImAGeek**

Huh, I actually really like the Raven Guard guy.

**Tinkrr**

Has anyone actually bought the sold out units in those regions? That might just be the listing because they haven't received a shipment of them.

ImAGeek wrote:
Huh, I actually really like the Raven Guard guy.

Someone here has a bird-stache

**ImAGeek**

I wish I could grow a moustache like that

**Tinkrr**

The bird laughs at your insufficient mustache abilities

But yea, I like the model as a whole, just not the helmet. Swap that out and it's all good.