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just found it on the gw site and havent seen a thread here,so heres a pic

Supposedly the Chapter Master or Company Captain in charge, can't remember which one.

Having seen the other armies on the site, I find them rather uninspiring.

I don't know but some of those basic sm's in the background are pretty sick (conversion wise, not painting). It was at least neat to look at.

Seems like the L'c have been modified. Could just be some good conversions.

It says on the site:
"Will Hayes' Carcharodons: Will chose the Carcharadons because of their mysterious and hideously violent background. He equipped most of them with the Forge World weapon packs because they are a very old Chapter that was established just after the Horus Heresy and he wanted to give them an ancient and war-torn look. Oh, and look at the front, there's that terminator again from page 51 in The Badab War - Part I, I wonder who he is...", so it's probably a SC, captain or chapter master of some kind. Someone important, anyway.
Notice in some of the other pics on GW site- a LR redeemer in a heresy-era army, and a WIP eldar titan...
and one redeemer has the MKIIB LR stuff, but with redeemer bits?!

If you look closely at the lead terminator, it's not just the claws - the entire helmet is a remodel, almost in the vein of regular MK V armour.

That is the same model pictured here....

EDIT - thanks, Shrike.

Padre^.

I have a feeling some heresy-era termie parts are coming...

Nice little find there hamham...lunchbox...what an odd name.

Much cooler than the current style termie helms.

Looks like some pre-heresy stuff to me. Nice model though. Really 'sharky'

Looks awesome. I want one. And every model there XD

Hulksmash wrote:I don't know but some of those basic sm's in the background are pretty sick (conversion wise, not painting). It was at least neat to look at.

Seems like the L'c have been modified. Could just be some good conversions.

They're not lightning claw bits for the first part

He used the swords from the Dark Elf Warrior kit, with some slight modifications.


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Padre wrote:If you look closely at the lead terminator, it's not just the claws - the entire helmet is a remodel, almost in the vein of regular MK V armour.

That is the same model pictured here....

EDIT - thanks, Shrike.

Padre^.

Because the owner of said army made that model for his own personal use It's a conversion done by Will Hayes, one of FW's sculptors.

Supposedly a model will be made for that character, but it won't look precisely the same.

Pre-Heresy Terminators would be nice - but these don't look much like Pre-Heresy Terminators.

At all!

Helmet makes sense fluff wise, since mkV helms were meant to be derived from prototype Termy Tech.

For Pre-Heresy Terminator armor, I hope FW tries a little harder than that!

wow. The look too good to be true.

I like that combat knife sized chainsword in the unit on the right. Suppose that is in the FW kit.

It's either the Chapter Master or 1st Company Captain. He's supposed to be a standalone figure, not a combination of pre-heresy Terminator bits. He has a chainfist built into his lightning claws.

it's in the unit on the left, too. That is pretty cool.

How long ago was it that they lost the ability to make more Terminator Armor? Seems odd that they'd advance it after the Heresy, then forget how to make it altogether.

Aduro wrote:How long ago was it that they lost the ability to make more Terminator Armor? Seems odd that they'd advance it after the Heresy, then forget how to make it altogether.

Never?

They've never lost the ability to "make more Terminator Armor". They've just "lost" the ability (or more likely, purposely misconstrued the directions) to mass produce the armor. It's now basically hand-crafted.

Kanluwen wrote:

Aduro wrote:How long ago was it that they lost the ability to make more Terminator Armor? Seems odd that they'd advance it after the Heresy, then forget how to make it altogether.

Never?

They've never lost the ability to "make more Terminator Armor". They've just "lost" the ability (or more likely, purposely misconstrued the directions) to mass produce the armor. It's now basically hand-crafted.

What's your source for that??

p.s - Not snarky, genuinely curious, I don't recall reading that anywhere, I always remember reading that they no longer knew how to make it, and each suit was a precious irreplaceable relic. Which always bugged me, as I am pretty sure after a millennium or 2, they would all be shot up and finished... It's not like they had a ton of spares even back in the day to explain how it would be possible to keep most chapters owning suits.

shrike wrote:I have a feeling some heresy-era termie parts are coming...

That would be sweet. Id add a squad or tow to the termie collection.

MajorTom11 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Aduro wrote:How long ago was it that they lost the ability to make more Terminator Armor? Seems odd that they'd advance it after the Heresy, then forget how to make it altogether.

Never?

They've never lost the ability to "make more Terminator Armor". They've just "lost" the ability (or more likely, purposely misconstrued the directions) to mass produce the armor. It's now basically hand-crafted.

What's your source for that??

p.s - Not snarky, genuinely curious, I don't recall reading that anywhere, I always remember reading that they no longer knew how to make it, and each suit was a precious irreplaceable relic. Which always bugged me, as I am pretty sure after a millennium or 2, they would all be shot up and finished... It's not like they had a ton of spares even back in the day to explain how it would be possible to keep most chapters owning suits.

Pretty much all of GW's fluff regarding Terminators?

I mean, yes they say they're "precious, irreplaceable relics"...but so is just about anything that's handcrafted.

yeah, if heresy TDA came out......I'd be getting a couple more squads...

Flipped thru my codexes, and while the new ones don't mention it, the Black Templars Codex states that "the secretes of their construction have long since been lost."

Aduro wrote:Flipped thru my codexes, and while the new ones don't mention it, the Black Templars Codex states that "the secretes of their construction have long since been lost."

Ya... I can easily remember where to find where it said that, but I can't remember ever reading otherwise.

Kan, if it is so prevalent that it is in most of the Codex's, would you care to actually find the page then???

Some see the infantry models.
Some see the tanks.



Some of us look back at the pile of molds and start calculating how much money that amount of RTV cost.

MajorTom11 wrote:

Aduro wrote:Flipped thru my codexes, and while the new ones don't mention it, the Black Templars Codex states that "the secretes of their construction have long since been lost."

Ya... I can easily remember where to find where it said that, but I can't remember ever reading otherwise.

Kan, if it is so prevalent that it is in most of the Codex's, would you care to actually find the page then???

Not really

But, to really go through...
Page 64 of the current SM codex says that they are "incredibly rare"(note: not "no longer made", nor "the secrets of their construction are lost").

And if we're going off "old"(aka the Black Templar Codex) fluff: The previous SM codex, for whatever the "new" Founding Chapter perk was mentioned something (paraphrasing here as I don't have it handy) that they were "newly founded, and thus only possessed a small number of Terminator Armor suits; all of which lacked the history and the more complex Machine Spirit of the ancient suits".

So where do the "newly Founded Chapters" get their Terminator Armor from?
Either it's constructed by hand(which makes by far the most sense, since it's one of the few things not constructed by a Chapter itself, but reliant upon the AM for) or the AM has a supersecret vault filled to the brim with suits of Terminator Armor.

Terminator armour is probably still being made, the novels go through them at a high speed. Space Hulk describes how several Terminator units are forever lost. The short story "the Core" tells how the Night Lords steal five or so suits from the Salamanders. The Ultramarine novels talk about how big Pesanius is and that the lower part of his power armour is made from a suit of Terminator armour. And so on.

models look very cool, i like the claws on them