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Next week I will be going against a hell pit abomination and I don't know how I would deal with it.

Banner of eternal flame /thread.

HoverBoy wrote:Banner of eternal flame /thread.

+1

What army are you using? As there may be some other options as well.

Anything that can get flaming attacks wounding it sooner the better. Lore of fire if you have it available. The banner works great for its cost. My favourite is a grudgethrower with runes to make it s10 hit and flaming attacks playing dwarfs. Failing that artillery it to death if you can.

I wonder what goes through peoples minds when they post threads like these, and don't even say what army they're using, or even there list so we might be able to help fit in something within your constraints.

Mind boggling, really.

Karon wrote:I wonder what goes through peoples minds when they post threads like these, and don't even say what army they're using, or even there list so we might be able to help fit in something within your constraints.

Mind boggling, really.

Agreed Karon ( Good to see you active by the way ). Until you give more details OP on size of battle and the army you plan to use were pretty much clutching at straws without details.

Thus my simple yet universal answer

HoverBoy wrote:Thus my simple yet universal answer

Universal response should include:
Daemons: Flamers of Tzeench
Dwarves: Flaming rune on cannon/stone thrower

-Matt

OP: Tell us which army you play, and we can give you some solid advice. Otherwise... well, Lore of Fire and Banner of Eternal Flame is all we can say.

HawaiiMatt wrote:Universal response should include:
Daemons: Flamers of Tzeench
Dwarves: Flaming rune on cannon/stone thrower

How are army specific solutions universal?

Vulcan wrote:OP: Tell us which army you play, and we can give you some solid advice. Otherwise... well, Lore of Fire and Banner of Eternal Flame is all we can say.

I play with Orc and goblins.

heacy hitter wrote:I play with Orc and goblins.

Ahh ok, in that case – fanatiscs.

40 night goblin archers w/ 3 fanatics
BSB with Banner of venom

It neutralizes the HPA's high toughness, and you force a lot of those 4+ regen saves. He will fail them. When he does get close, out pop the fanatics.

If you can hit him with a flaming attack first, you're almost guaranteed to kill it.

Also the doom diver catapult should help kill it off.

if i was orcs n gobbos staring down an A-Bomb i would have a unit of something with missile weapons and the flaming banner. just get one wound in then drop a few rocks on the giant thing and away it goes.

Black Orks with the Flaming Banner. charge in, it WILL die.

due to the HPA's really high initiaitive, 5-6 iirc, most armies will be strike after/simultanious with it.

Charging it with a unit with the banner of eternal flame is one way to do it, but you will still probably take massive casualties from that unit.

Few things you dont want to do.

Throw weak troups at it, you wont win.

Stay in combat with it for sustained amounts of time, if you dont kill it in 1-2 turns it has a higher chance of rolling Feed!, which can give it wounds back, even those it lost to flaming.

Also, if you dont do at least one flaming wound to it, there is a chance it can come back.

The highest leadership it can ever get is a stubborn 8 btw, that still has a decent chance to fail.

The pit is I4, which altho not as high as you said is still better than any RnF orc, shooting and fanatics are the best answer, forcing those 4+ save with no return damage is just better than ignoring them in exchange for potentially horrid casualties on your side.

The HPA is quite a PITA. The BoEF *can* help but as with so many other things, it's not that easy. A HPA will most likely be placed on a flank, so if your Banner ends up on the other one - and Skaven have quite a lot of drops - it's probably useless.

Now of course it can be shot but if your opponent takes the Stormbanner as well, hitting it will be problematic. What BS do your archers have? 40 @ BS 3 will statistically cause one wound with flaming per turn at long range. Of course, that's a start, although isn't it difficult to get all 40 to fire?

ShivanAngel wrote:
Stay in combat with it for sustained amounts of time, if you dont kill it in 1-2 turns it has a higher chance of rolling Feed!, which can give it wounds back, even those it lost to flaming.

What?! I don't think that is true. Feed is just an autohit against everyone in B2B.

If you can tie it up long enough, you've essentially taken it out of the game. The problem here is that it can do quite a lot of damage.

You could feed it a large unit of cheap night goblins arranged so they are veeeerrrryyyyy deep so as to be steadfast for a long time.


so long as something doesn't come in to help the HPA you will remain steadfast untill you lose the last rank.

keeping your general and BSB in range will keep your unit in the fight.


you have the HPAs special attacks, then Thunderstomp. even that probably won't chew through 50 Night goblins arranged 5 wide and 10 deep in the duration of a game.

Feed is Str6 auto hits to everything BtB that do D3 wounds and heal the hell pit 1 wound for each wound dealt..

This can regenerate wounds dealt through flaming attacks.

So, if you dont kill it in 1-2 odds are it will roll that and laugh at you as it heals back to full.


They are incredibly mean, and there is no great way to deal with them. During Ard Boyz I ran two of them (couldnt live with myself if I ran three). 2/3 opponents used every form of magic and shooting they could and they still made it to combat. The other opponent (that beat me) ignored them, thinned my other blocks, then hit the hell pit with big tarpits and stuck them the whole game.

ugh. I am going to a tourney in 2 weeks, and there are a lot of skaven players. My usual rat boy doesn't roll with one yet. I think if I can get 2 maybe three rounds of shooting with my 6 flamers I can drop one.

Horrors of Tzeentch could also be an effective counter. my block of 40 plus herald. and changeling should be able to deal with it.

man, I have to go back and re read my Skaven book! I didnt know feed regenrated wounds...that is pretty goddamn awesome if so!

HoverBoy wrote:

HawaiiMatt wrote:Universal response should include:
Daemons: Flamers of Tzeench
Dwarves: Flaming rune on cannon/stone thrower

How are army specific solutions universal?

Because those two armies can't take the banner you suggested. Eternal flame banner, or runes of burning, or flamers of tzeench cover everybody.


-Matt

Gotcha.

streamdragon wrote:40 night goblin archers w/ 3 fanatics
BSB with Banner of venom

It neutralizes the HPA's high toughness, and you force a lot of those 4+ regen saves. He will fail them. When he does get close, out pop the fanatics.

If you can hit him with a flaming attack first, you're almost guaranteed to kill it.

18" range, and you can't stand and fire. Even without a storm banner, this looks like a good way to get your BSB killed.
It looks really risky to me.

I'd rather try and take it on with ~50 or so night goblins with shields (for the parry). If it feeds (will hit 5 guys, wounding on 2's, parry on 6), and it rolls poorly for thunder stop, you might just beat it.
Mork will fix it + big mob, might be the best solution. (1's and 6's fail to hit and to wound, you parry on 6's, and it needs 5 wounds to win combat).

I'd hate to count on shooting against any skaven army.


-Matt

Yea Borcs with a flaming banner seem to be the best solution, GWs it dead and makes sure it stays down.

ShivanAngel wrote:Feed is Str6 auto hits to everything BtB that do D3 wounds and heal the hell pit 1 wound for each wound dealt..

Untrue. Someone's been pulling a fast one. I recommend you give the entry another read- there is nothing in there about restoring wounds to itself.

RZ

awwwww....i was totally psyched for that...of course, then it would be even more awesome than it already is if that was the case.

(still at work, so i havent been able to check!)

Wow I play skaven and have been playing it wrong this whole time...

Why the hell was I under the impression that feed regenerated wounds....