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2000 Space wolves. Who said SW don't have Heavy weapon troops?

HQ
Logan Grimnar [275]

Troops
10 Wolf Guard [270][8 bolters, 2 terminators with Cyclone

Missile Launchers]
10 Wolf Guard [270][8 bolters, 2 terminators with Cyclone

Missile Launchers]
10 Wolf Guard [270][8 bolters, 2 terminators with Cyclone

Missile Launchers]
10 Wolf Guard [245][Twin Power Fist, Rhino]
10 Wolf Guard [245][Twin Power Fist, Rhino]
5 Wolf Guard [165][terminator armor]
Land Raider Redeemer [250][Multi-melta]

Total: 1990

Three units in Powered Armor hoofing it next to a Land Raider and a pair of Rhinos seems to offer up a lot of soft targets to your opponent. Anything anti-infantry or ordnance will key in on your foot troops, anything with a Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Lascannon or Rail Gun will go right for your Land Raider, and anything with an Autocannon or Missile Launcher will shoot at your Rhinos. You basically make up your opponents mind for him about what to shoot at, which is not something you want to do.

I recommend either going entirely foot troops or entirely mech, which increases your target saturation and forces your opponent to make decisions about where and when to fire his weapons. Logan Wolf Guard lists are one of the only lists that can actually pull off a an entirely infantry composition, though usually it consists of shoving as many missile launchers into the list as possible.

As Aldarionn as perfectly underlined you have the 2 phylosophies contrastating.

Supposing you allready have all these model and trying to use them in the way you prepared them I'll advice you something like this:

HQ - Logan Grimnar. 275
TR - 5x WG - 4x power armor - 1x Storm Bolter (just because of the last 3 points..) - 1x TDA with CML & PW/SB - TL LAS Razorback. 213
TR - 5x WG - 4x power armor - 1x TDA with CML & PW/SB - TL LAS Razorback. 210
TR - 5x WG - 4x power armor - 1x TDA with CML & PW/SB - TL LAS Razorback. 210
TR - 5x WG - 4x power armor - 1x TDA with CML & PW/SB - TL LAS Razorback. 210
TR - 4x WG in TDA:
- 1x combi-melta/chain fist
- 1x combi-melta/PF
- 1x power weapon/SS
- 1x power weapon/HF
- LR Godhammer + EA. 452
HV - 6x Long Fangs - 5x ML - TL LAS Razorback. 215
HV - 6x Long Fangs - 5x ML - TL LAS Razorback. 215
Tot. 2000

So:
- 8 TL Lasers;
- 18 missiles.

You'll can decide to put Logan in the LR with the Terminators or link him to one Long Fangs unit to gain ST9 missiles.

Besides I'll advice you to keep all the WG in power armor with the bolt pistol/chainsword setup.
Remember that they have counter attack and so 3 attack each one everytime. There's totally no need to setup them with a bolter..

The only "problem" with list like this one is that you'll gonna have just 1 highAV vehicle and obviously this will call most of the attentions from your enemys anti armor weapons but hey.. just hope it! You will easily reply with a rain of missiles and lasers shots.

Another possibility will be the sit'n'shot infantry army:

HQ - Logan Grimnar. 275
TR - 5x Wolf Guards:
.....- 4x power armor - bolt pistol - chainsword;
.....- 1x terminator armor - storm bolter - power weapon - cyclone ML. 135
TR - 5x Wolf Guards:
.....- 4x power armor - bolt pistol - chainsword;
.....- 1x terminator armor - storm bolter - power weapon - cyclone ML. 135
TR - 5x Wolf Guards:
.....- 4x power armor - bolt pistol - chainsword;
.....- 1x terminator armor - storm bolter - power weapon - cyclone ML. 135
TR - 5x Wolf Guards:
.....- 4x power armor - bolt pistol - chainsword;
.....- 1x terminator armor - storm bolter - power weapon - cyclone ML. 135
TR - 4x Wolf Guards in terminator armors:
.....- 1x twin wolf claws;
.....- 1x heavy flamer - power weapon;
.....- 2x thunder hammer - storm shield;
.....- Land Raider - extra armor. 477
TR - 4x Wolf Guards in terminator armors:
.....- 1x twin wolf claws;
.....- 1x frost blade - storm shield;
.....- 2x combi-melta - chain fist. 212
HV - Land Raider - extra armor. 265
HV - 5x Long Fangs - 4x missile launchers. 115
HV - 5x Long Fangs - 4x missile launchers. 115
Tot. 1999

- 16 missiles;
- 4 TL lasers.

A little less shooting power but more versatility with the 2 heavy vehicles.
Also a really better control of the midfiled, a sort of invitation for your opponent. Come and feel your self at home..

I love this second list because I was searching for an almost full infantry army for my collection of very differen play styles but wisly I'll advice you the first one. All depends on your style.

Three units in Powered Armor hoofing it next to a Land Raider and a pair of Rhinos seems to offer up a lot of soft targets to your opponent

huh, no, the Heavy weapon guys sit back on objectives, hence the bolters. Granted they can move if they want but probably won't need to. Althogh this could be done sans logan just attaching the wolf guard to grey hunters... hmmmm.. yessss.

TR - 5x WG - 4x power armor - 1x TDA with CML & PW/SB - TL LAS Razorback. 210

Just in case.... Do you remember that TDA marines cannot embark on a Razorback or a Rhino?

SW can.

Wait what? Do you mean to say they have lots of heavy weapon troops or not?? I'm confused...

You want heavy weapon troops, break out the max long fangs (realistically, every space wolf list should start with 420pts already gone, those 15 ML's come so dirt cheap its just stupid not to take them).

Toban wrote:SW can.

what? I missed something, space wolves termies can take rhinos? how?

gendoikari87 wrote:

Toban wrote:SW can.

what? I missed something, space wolves termies can take rhinos? how?

Wolf Guard get Rhinos as a transport option. The fact that once they put on Terminator armor they can't actually get into the rhinos is immaterial, as nothing in the transport options says that models in terminator armor prevent a rhino from being chosen.

I believe where it describes the armor it states TDA armor won't fit in razorbacks/rhinos.

"models in terminator armor count as two models though they cannot embark rhinos and razorbacks"

<-- Paraphrased from the space wolves codex.

You're not understanding me. The fact that they can't fit is immaterial to the Rhino's actual purchase. They can buy it, even if they can't get it in.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
So.. you can ignore my posts entirely. I thought the arguement was to its purchase, not someone arguing TDA Wolf Guard could embark in a Rhino, which they clearly can't.

CARRY ON THEN!

Faced a list similar to this one; however, it used Drop Pods with Combi-melta units.

The problem with so many missiles is the fact that many armies find the firepower almost laughable.

I traded shots for 2 turns with the Wolf Guard and then proceeded to walk through 2 Wolf Guard squad, 1 with Logan attached and 2 Long Fang units with 2 Wolf Lords.

If you're opponent knows the output and uses good deployment, he'll negate your plethora of missiles.