Firearms you own, and their uses.

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**Grey Templar**

Forward grips are muddy in CA on rifles too. If you have a forward "Pistol grip" you have to register as an assault weapon. "Pistol Grip" however is not defined in relation to this law though.

Also, all pistols with a 2nd hand grip of any kind have to be registered.

**Nostromodamus**

Another case of “let’s ban it coz it’s scary but we can’t actually describe the problem component” then

**Ouze**

Yeah, not sure what it is state to state. Federally, angled foregrips are fine, straight foregrips are considered to be manufacturing an SBR.

**cuda1179**

I've been tempted to get something in 300 Blackout for a while. I also like guns that you don't necessarily see every day.

I ran into something that I wasn't expecting. Replacement barrels for HK 93's that are chambered in 300 blackout. Now, I have an HK93 in 5.56, and I love the thing. Is having another one in an oddball caliber (at least for this platform) worth considering?

**Grey Templar**

Well thats really up to you if its "worth it".

Me personally I don't like 5.56. Its "wimpy" and too vanilla for me.

**Ouze**

The big advantage to 300BLK is that it's optimized for a 9" barrel and that it runs well suppressed.

As such I'm not sure how that would work for an HK93. I'm not super familiar with the platform but it looks like it has an integrated handguard at least 14" or so.

I think the AR pistol is the idea platform for it, and technically an SBR but as discussed I think the hassle vs benefits of going SBR for an AR is very debatable if it wasn't transferred as a rifle.

**Vaktathi**

Ouze wrote:
The big advantage to 300BLK is that it's optimized for a 9" barrel and that it runs well suppressed.

As such I'm not sure how that would work for an HK93. I'm not super familiar with the platform but it looks like it has an integrated handguard at least 14" or so.

I think the AR pistol is the idea platform for it, and technically an SBR but as discussed I think the hassle vs benefits of going SBR for an AR is very debatable if it wasn't transferred as a rifle.

^^^^^

On a G3 type gun, replacing the barrel is not an easy process, and Im not sure if you would need to replace any of the locking bits (maybe maybe not? Thats a very finely engineered blowback system). Most places Ive seen charge...a lot to rebarrel those guns, and without wanting to use a short barrel or a suppressor, I dont know what value it would bring other than cool factor or hunting restrictions. You could probably build a 300 blackout pistol of your own for what that job would cost, or be not too far off.

**War Drone**

That foregrip on Vaktathi's gun is very Seberu (sp)/GITS reminiscent.

Looks very cool with the box mag, too.

**xKillGorex**

Have some serious envy for you guys with the kit you have on here. The last time I was on a range I used an m60, damn that thing was fun.
Definitely more bite than the British l86 lsw, am thinking of going down the local ish range where they have special fire days being able to use all the extra cool toys ie .50s hmgs, and snipers.

**BaronIveagh**

xKillGorex wrote:
The last time I was on a range I used an m60, damn that thing was fun.

You know, the funny thing is that when I read that, this is the M60 I pictured and went 'Yes, yes it is'.

**CptJake**

I've fired both M-60s. M60A3 TTS 105mm (and of course the .50 in the TC's cupola) and THOUSANDS of 7.62 from the M-60 machine gun.

Both are indeed a lot of fun.

**xKillGorex**

BaronIveagh wrote:
xKillGorex wrote:
The last time I was on a range I used an m60, damn that thing was fun.

You know, the funny thing is that when I read that, this is the M60 I pictured and went 'Yes, yes it is'.

Damn I’d have died and gone to heaven if it was the mbt m60.

Ps yeah you’re right cpt.jake the m60 mg is great fun, would love to get my hands on an mg43. Did fire the old Bren gun many moons ago too.

**CptJake**

I once ran a M-60 range, day and night fire. We had 7 guns mounted on top of our recon hummers and started with 20k rounds. We only managed to burn through about 13k rounds before we had to clear the range. We had 4 guns go down (broken buffer spring rods, they were older guns) which we could not get back up in time to burn through all the rounds.

Had a great time on that range.

**xKillGorex**

That’s some serious spent brass left behind that day.

**pique311**

Mosin Nagant M91/30, 1932 Tula refurb. Beautiful rifle, a refurb, but shoots good anyway. Got the bayonet and original sling. I got it very cheap from a retired cop, a year ago. Just last week I got 80 rounds through it and did quite good at 50m, standing and prone. I just have it for fun and historical interest. I wanted a Mosin so I saved some money, got a license and bought it.
Also, I have a short Spanish-made 6mm Flobert carbine from the mid-50s. Gift from my grandpa. Looks terrible, very beaten up and not really useful for anything but to teach children how to shoot or to kill time while waiting for the Mosin's barrel to cool off. It was the first gun both my father and I ever shot.
Lastly, an old 12G side-by-side, also Spanish-made. This one means a lot to my father as it was a gift from a very close friend. We don't really use it, as we genereally just do sport shooting and sometimes hunting. Still, I will take good care of it for years to come.

**Dakka Flakka Flame**

[obvious statement]It turns out hitting a moving target with a snub nosed .38 after running over a hundred yards as fast as I could is pretty difficult.[/obvious statement]
ETA: Traced it out on Google Earth, it was about two hundred yards.

**CptJake**

CptJake got a new toy:

Use: Anti-snake weaponry. I've already capped a couple rattlers and a copperhead. Going to be fencing in the back acreage of the property and keeping a long gun around while working is a bitch. So I picked this little guy up.

**Vaktathi**

That thing is a beast, is that a .410?

**CptJake**

Yep, Taurus Judge .410 and/or .45 long colt

I got the 3 inch chamber so I can handle 3 inch shells/magnum loads.

**Vaktathi**

That must be brutal to shoot, the grips looks comfortable though

**CptJake**

I'll report on how it shoots soon. Shouldn't be too bad, it has a lot of weight to mitigate recoil.

**Ouze**

I also struggled with that grip style, but it's so perfect for what you need it for that's probably a small price to pay.

**cuda1179**

I put an aftermarket grip on my Judge. It has a bit of a ridge above your hand. If feels more comfortable when actually shooting it, but it makes pulling back the hammer manually with your thumb awkward.

**CptJake**

I just put 15 rounds of #6 shot high brass 2.5 inch shells through it.

Recoil was a lot less than I thought it would be. Definitely glad I had hearing protection, it is loud.

At 'snake killing' distance it is more than accurate enough, and even that small shot took 3 inches off the tip of a rotted branch as thick as my wrist I used for a target each shot the last few rounds. Mostly fired at a paper qualification target and boy does the shot pattern spread at even 10 feet.

Happy with the purchase (and I got a good price too). Not hard to shoot at all. Obviously firing single action (manually cocking the hammer before each shot) is a lot more accurate than double action. Not sure I would want to carry it as a self defense (against humans) gun because the 5 shot capacity and double action accuracy (or lack there of) wouldn't work well for me, but I have the Glock for that anyway.

I'll probably pick up some 45 Long Colt rounds to test accuracy and recoil, and am going to order a few hundred 3 inch shot shells for target shooting and as anti-snake rounds.

**Dreadclaw69**

My defensive pistol league just started with Go-Pros for the participants and uploading the videos. Great way to see what you are doing wrong and how to compare to those who finish in the top spots.

Ouze wrote:
I converted all my AR platform rifles to .300BLK, which is cool, except I have like, 800 rounds of 5.56 here. So, that was poorly planned.

Rather than sell the ammo, I decided to build another gun, obviously.

So far I grabbed a lower, a LPK, and a handguard. I'm in no rush so I am waiting for good sales.

I'm going to send the lower off in the morning to get it engraved so I can convert it into an SBR. I started thinking, though... is there really any good reason to do an SBR anymore? There are now so many good "pistol" braces (snicker) that I'm not sure it's worth the hassle and cost to be able to run a Magpul STR instead of just getting one of these:

The brace runs about $250. So, kind of spendy. But a STR (my preferred stock) runs about $70. If you add in $200 for the tax stamp, then about $80 to ship the lower off and back to have it engraved, we're right at $350, anyway.

So what's the point? Ergonomically they're about the same. The only real difference as far as I know is the pistol can't have a VFG, but I don't use VFGs, anyway. Is there something i'm forgetting?

The only other thing that I can think of is that if you travel for competitions, or just take a firearm with you when you travel, then because this will not be an NFA item you don't run into the issues of notifying the ATF that you are transporting it across state lines, and also you don't run into the issue that some states prohibit NFA items.

Ouze wrote:
Yes. Only vertical foregrips are a problem. If you can explain why, you would be the first.

Because reasons

Vaktathi wrote:
Um, there's some additional weird legal background, technically if you take possession as a gun or receiver and it transfers to you as a pistol or just as a "firearm", you can convert it to a rifle and then back to a pistol, but if it shows as a rifle on the 4473 when it transfers to you and you convert it to a pistol, that's a no-no according to the ATF apparently without SBR paperwork, so that's one more thing in favor of the pistol too.

Aside from that, when it comes to AR's, mostly just the VFG and quality of stock vs brace. I happen to like VFG's and have one on my Scorpion SBR, but they're not obviously everyone's thing.

Only other thing I think against the pistol is that you'd need to be 21 to buy it as a "pistol" or "firearm" I believe, but only 18 to buy as a "rifle".

EDIT: speaking of 300 blackout pistols, inspired long ago by the first Hera CQR images and by Ouze's journey, I have something on that front as well...

Not quite finished, the upper is not assembled at all yet really but I all the parts are now in hand. I decided to try putting a Binary trigger in it for giggles, but I'm likely to switch it out for a Geissele SD-C once I'm over it, I put one in my 16" DI AR and it's...a thing of true beauty. Going to be an SBR eventually.

Really nice pistol. I'm a sucker for those front grips, but I just can't justify spending the money on that over the Magpul VFG I have on my rifle.

**Frazzled**

I ran a squad two weeks ago with a guy with one of those shouldering it in the match. I didn't see the gun vs. a STD carbine.

**cuda1179**

CptJake wrote:
I just put 15 rounds of #6 shot high brass 2.5 inch shells through it.

Recoil was a lot less than I thought it would be. Definitely glad I had hearing protection, it is loud.

At 'snake killing' distance it is more than accurate enough, and even that small shot took 3 inches off the tip of a rotted branch as thick as my wrist I used for a target each shot the last few rounds. Mostly fired at a paper qualification target and boy does the shot pattern spread at even 10 feet.

Happy with the purchase (and I got a good price too). Not hard to shoot at all. Obviously firing single action (manually cocking the hammer before each shot) is a lot more accurate than double action. Not sure I would want to carry it as a self defense (against humans) gun because the 5 shot capacity and double action accuracy (or lack there of) wouldn't work well for me, but I have the Glock for that anyway.

I'll probably pick up some 45 Long Colt rounds to test accuracy and recoil, and am going to order a few hundred 3 inch shot shells for target shooting and as anti-snake rounds.

I have a Judge with a 6 inch barrel, and my dad's has a 2 inch barrel. There is a very noticeable difference in the amount of spread with birdshot. I've used mine to shoot rabbit and squirrel, and it works okay for that. Using a .22LR might be more practical though. I also tried skeet shooting with it. That was.....less than successful. I did hit one out of 5 though. With the right anti-person .410 rounds in-house self defense is definitely something the Judge could excel at.

**Ouze**

Just visited a local dude who does Cerakote. I've seem some of his work and it's OK and also very, very cheap - $250 for the below.

I dropped off an Aero upper, lower, Atlas s-one handguard, pmag, and moe grip to be done in tiger stripe - base coat of graphite, top coat of sniper grey. I'm aiming for this:

Spoiler:

He said he doesn't have those style of stencils, but I don't care about that too much. Will I get what I want? We'll know in 2 weeks!

It will ultimately wind up as either a 10.5" 5.56 pistol or SBR. Not sure if I will bother SBRing this one but I did already get it engraved in case I want to later.

**CptJake**

So, last week the AC went out. Guy came out about 930PM to fix it. Checks out the outside part and determines it needs a new capacitor. We walk back towards his van and all of a sudden he screams like a girl and does a little bunny hop. I'm like WTF?

He shines his light down and there is a copperhead. I'm like "Dude, keep the light on it I'll be right back!"

I run and get the Judge and BOOM!

Poor AC dude swears he'll never do another night call. He has been doing HVAC for 20 years and has somehow never run into a live snake. Between almost stepping on a copperhead and the crazy guy blow gak away he was terrified.

The judge works!

**djones520**

My supervisor at my last base was giddy about his Judge. I've heard a lot of bad things about it though.

I love the concept of it. It seems like a weapon that is designed for one purpose. Making the bad guy very, very, very sorry he was the bad guy. I feel though that my standard 9mm with hollow tips will do the same, and I don't have to worry about accuracy outside of 5 yards.