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https://twitter.com/scATX/status/824756439503736832


something something states rights etc etc blah blah evil federal govt trampling on the people etc etc

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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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Somewhere in south-central England.

I didn't really understand that stream of Tweets, but I am impressed at her Twitter name of ScatX. Edgy, especially for a traditional place like Texas.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-publish-weekly-list-crimes-immigrants-commit-refugees-aliens-executive-order-us-a7546826.html

This feels like it is really rubbing up against race baiting.
   
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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Has everyone lost respect for the BBC?

I know Trump has.


He's not the only one. Years of battling TV licence men at my front door kinda puts you off the BBC.


Maybe next time answer the door wearing nothing but your woad?


It wouldn't stop them. They're like the 9 Nazgul. They never give up.


Have you tried Jedi mind tricks?

"These are not the TV Licence Fee dodgers you are looking for".
   
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Roswell, GA

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I didn't really understand that stream of Tweets, but I am impressed at her Twitter name of ScatX. Edgy, especially for a traditional place like Texas.


Maybe she is a fan of Cab Calloway
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38756447

Rogue Nasa [Twitter] account fights Trump on climate change

The "Alt-Government" accounts have been freaking magical.

Also, for anyone interested in the National Parks Service? I highly suggest you track down a copy of "Can't Chew the Leather Anymore: Musings on Wildlife Conservation in Yellowstone from a Broken-Down Biologist".

I don't usually like plugging things from people I know, but one of the authors is a family friend...and it's a damn good read. We bought copies for everyone in my family when it first came out, and I've been leaving copies out and about town.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
I didn't really understand that stream of Tweets, but I am impressed at her Twitter name of ScatX. Edgy, especially for a traditional place like Texas.



https://www.texastribune.org/2017/01/20/travis-county-sheriff-announces-new-sanctuary-poli/

Sheriff Sally Hernandez announced that her office would be scaling back its involvement w/ a voluntary ICE immigration program --She campaigned on this promise. She's still following federal law.

The Republican governor promised to revoke funding to Travis County if Hernandez does this...


& they want to pass A LAW to remove her from office

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/01/25/abbott-sanctuary-cities-law-would-remove-offender/

She's not backing down :

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/01/26/travis-county-sheriff-not-backing-down-amid-remova/

The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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The Great State of Texas

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

The USA has had a trade deficit since 1976.


Now you see the problem.


Not really, the jury is out on whether trade deficits are inherently bad or good or both or neither.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/trade-deficit-effects.asp


Tell all the steel workers in your country, oh wait, you don't have any any more.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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https://themoscowtimes.com/news/americas-alleged-spy-in-the-heart-of-russian-cybersecurity-56945?utm_source=CGI+Daily+Russia+Brief&utm_campaign=d22e6a1966-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_01_26&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_814a2b3260-d22e6a1966-281732809&mc_cid=d22e6a1966&mc_eid=ba2db135c1



A top cybersecurity specialist in Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) was arrested on Wednesday reportedly on suspicion of leaking information to the U.S. intelligence community — a bombshell accusation that, if true, would mean Washington had a spy in the heart of Russia’s national defense infrastructure.

According to the independent newspaper Novaya Gazeta, the FSB believes Sergei Mikhailov tipped off U.S. officials to information about Vladimir Fomenko and his server rental company “King Servers,” which the American cybersecurity company ThreatConnect identified last September as “an information nexus” that was used by hackers suspected of working for Russian state security in cyberattacks.

According to the RBC news agency, a total of four individuals have been arrested in connection with the treason case against Mikhailov, including charges against Ruslan Stoyanov, the head of cybercrime investigations at Kaspersky Labs, and Dmitry Dokuchaev, who worked in the same FSB unit as Mikhailov.

The name of the fourth treason suspect is still unknown.



http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/wow-it-gets-bigger


Last night I noted that a top Russian spy who is the number two person in the FSB department which allegedly oversaw the US election hacking operation had been arrested and charged with treason. Was he a sacrificial lamb and olive branch to Trump? A way for Putin to claim that his spy services had perhaps gone rogue? Or was he suspected of being a source to US intelligence? People who fall from grace in Putin's Russia are often dealt with with trumped up criminal prosecutions. But treason is a special charge.

Well, now we have reports that Sergei Mikhailov is suspected of being a US asset at the heart of Russian intelligence.

The report is from The Moscow Times, a respected English language publication. But the report appears to rely on a report in Novaya Gazeta.

From the Moscow Times ...
A top cybersecurity specialist in Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) was arrested on Wednesday reportedly on suspicion of leaking information to the U.S. intelligence community — a bombshell accusation that, if true, would mean Washington had a spy in the heart of Russia’s national defense infrastructure.
Here's the additional detail ...
According to the independent newspaper Novaya Gazeta, the FSB believes Sergei Mikhailov tipped off U.S. officials to information about Vladimir Fomenko and his server rental company “King Servers,” which the American cybersecurity company ThreatConnect identified last September as “an information nexus” that was used by hackers suspected of working for Russian state security in cyberattacks.
The article goes on to say that four others have been arrested in connection to the treason case against Mikhailov. It is important to note that even if these are the charges, in a country like Russia, what you're charged with isn't just not necessarily true. It may not even be what the state and prosecutors think is true.

But this immediately poses the question: if Mikhailov was a US asset, how was he compromised? Did the information put out by US intelligence somehow lead to his exposure? Without putting too fine a point on it, a number of close advisors to President Trump are being scrutinized for ties to Russia. Some of them participated in the intelligence briefings the President receives.

Do we have a very big problem?



what a time to be alive.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/01/americans-think-trump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.html


PPP's newest national poll finds Donald Trump continuing to fare poorly with the public in his first week in office. Voters split evenly in their appraisals of his job performance with 44% approving and 44% disapproving of him. These are historically awful numbers for a newly elected President. When it comes to Trump's favorability rating, only 44% of voters see him positively to 50% with a negative opinion. By contrast the women who participated in marches across the country last weekend against Trump are seen positively by 50% of voters, to just 41% who see them poorly.

There are a number of reasons for Trump's continuing unpopularity. One piece of it is that voters don't like the policies he wants to enact:

-We find that only 34% of voters want to build a wall with Mexico if American taxpayers have to pay up front for it, compared to 53% who are opposed to doing that.

-We find that with Trump in office now, the Affordable Care Act is reaching record levels of popularity with 45% of voters supporting it to 41% who are opposed. Only 30% of voters think the best plan is to repeal the act and start over, while 61% would prefer Congress to keep the Affordable Care Act and fix parts that aren't working.

Another set of reasons that Trump's struggling right now are concerns about his transparency and conflicts of interest:

-59% of voters think Trump needs to release his tax returns, to just 32% who don't think it's necessary for him to. In fact, 54% of voters would support a law requiring candidates for President to release 5 years of tax returns in order to appear on the ballot, to just 34% who would be opposed to putting that requirement in place.

-61% of voters think Trump needs to fully divest from his business interests, to only 28% who don't think it's necessary for him to do that.

-Trump's ties to Russia continue to be a problem for him. Only 13% of voters have a favorable opinion of Russia, to 60% with a negative view of it. For Vladimir Putin himself, the numbers are even worse. Just 10% of voters see him positively, with 67% having an unfavorable opinion of him. Continued close ties to Russia could be a problem for Trump even with his own base- among his voters Russia has a 20/47 favorability rating and Putin's is 15/55.

Voters are so dim on Trump that they think, in the first week of his administration, that he will prove to be a worse President than everyone who's held the office since Richard Nixon


-42% of Trump voters think he should be allowed to have a private email server to just 39% who think he shouldn't be allowed to. Maybe cyber security wasn't such a big issue in last year's election after all.

-And finally only 18% of voters think it's acceptable to punch a Nazi in the face, to 51% who say it's unacceptable and 31% who are unsure on the moral quandary of our times. Clinton and Trump voters are actually in alignment on this with only 18% of each saying it's ok to punch a Nazi. 78% of Jill Stein voters though say that they are pro punching a Nazi, this may be where Hillary fell short.


But her emails....

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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
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Leerstetten, Germany

 Frazzled wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

The USA has had a trade deficit since 1976.


Now you see the problem.


Not really, the jury is out on whether trade deficits are inherently bad or good or both or neither.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/trade-deficit-effects.asp


Tell all the steel workers in your country, oh wait, you don't have any any more.


18,000 of them disagree.
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
 BigWaaagh wrote:
Herr Goebbels does not appreciate mainstream news disrupting the party lie, I mean, line. "I want you to quote this," Mr. Bannon added. “The media here is the opposition party." And the lap dogs, just keep lapping it up.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%e2%80%99s-chief-strategist-says-news-media-should-%e2%80%98keep-its-mouth-shut%e2%80%99/ar-AAmhL9O?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP




I think you just officilly tripped the Godwin alarm. Usually Democrats don't start calling the Republicans nazis until the third week.



Sorry, that doesn't play, because when the shoe fits, Bannon's gotta wear it. Stay blindly partisan and be complicit with the slow, but organized assault on mainstream media and contrarian information sources by this administration, i.e. Government Agencies being told what they can and can't release to the American people, CNN being called "Fake News", etc. I'm not going to sit by and just say, "Oh, Donald, you're so spirited." Nope, I will not be a alt-right dupe.
   
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Roswell, GA

 BigWaaagh wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 BigWaaagh wrote:
Herr Goebbels does not appreciate mainstream news disrupting the party lie, I mean, line. "I want you to quote this," Mr. Bannon added. “The media here is the opposition party." And the lap dogs, just keep lapping it up.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%e2%80%99s-chief-strategist-says-news-media-should-%e2%80%98keep-its-mouth-shut%e2%80%99/ar-AAmhL9O?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP




I think you just officilly tripped the Godwin alarm. Usually Democrats don't start calling the Republicans nazis until the third week.



Sorry, that doesn't play, because when the shoe fits, Bannon's gotta wear it. Stay blindly partisan and be complicit with the slow, but organized assault on mainstream media and contrarian information sources by this administration, i.e. Government Agencies being told what they can and can't release to the American people, CNN being called "Fake News", etc. I'm not going to sit by and just say, "Oh, Donald, you're so spirited." Nope, I will not be a alt-right dupe.


Don't forget "Alternative Facts"
   
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The Great State of Texas

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34581945

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Leerstetten, Germany

 Frazzled wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34581945


What's that, an article about non-existent steelworkers?
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
One of the insane things about it is that Mexico is one of our largest trade partners. Sure they make a lot of stuff we buy, but they buy a lot of our stuff in turn. They could easily retaliate against any attempt to hurt their trade, and then we're in the middle of a trade war.


We have a trade deficit with them since NAFTA started.



We have a trade deficit with them because we're the biggest consumer on the planet and they're a developing nation that produces quality consumer goods cheaply. Mexico was developing into what it is today before NAFTA came along. The trade agreement only accelerated the process.


Looks like all the Texas politicians actually stopped and realized what protectionism costs. You mean there's a reason why the world has prospered under globalization and the destruction of trade barriers? A lesson learned that's quickly being forgotten to the detriment of all.

"Knock, knock."
"Who is it?"
"Reality check for."
"Reality check for who?"
"Reality check for the neighbor immediately to the north."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/devastating-trump-mexico-tax-plan-would-hurt-texas-lawmakers-say/ar-AAmi2G8?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ASUDHP




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Trump loves the uneducated, remember!


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 Frazzled wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

The USA has had a trade deficit since 1976.


Now you see the problem.


Not really, the jury is out on whether trade deficits are inherently bad or good or both or neither.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/trade-deficit-effects.asp


Tell all the steel workers in your country, oh wait, you don't have any any more.


Yeah, they're just the home to one of the world's financial capitals. Economies evolve. This isn't the Victorian era.

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The Great State of Texas

 BigWaaagh wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 BigWaaagh wrote:
Herr Goebbels does not appreciate mainstream news disrupting the party lie, I mean, line. "I want you to quote this," Mr. Bannon added. “The media here is the opposition party." And the lap dogs, just keep lapping it up.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%e2%80%99s-chief-strategist-says-news-media-should-%e2%80%98keep-its-mouth-shut%e2%80%99/ar-AAmhL9O?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP




I think you just officilly tripped the Godwin alarm. Usually Democrats don't start calling the Republicans nazis until the third week.



Sorry, that doesn't play, because when the shoe fits, Bannon's gotta wear it. Stay blindly partisan and be complicit with the slow, but organized assault on mainstream media and contrarian information sources by this administration, i.e. Government Agencies being told what they can and can't release to the American people, CNN being called "Fake News", etc. I'm not going to sit by and just say, "Oh, Donald, you're so spirited." Nope, I will not be a alt-right dupe.


In contrast to the Obama administration actually wiretapping an entire new bureau and trying to indict the Fox reporter right?
The Nazis didn't shut down the media. They took it over. You're thinking of your commie friends.



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 d-usa wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34581945


What's that, an article about non-existent steelworkers?


Layoffs.

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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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Leerstetten, Germany

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34581945


What's that, an article about non-existent steelworkers?


Layoffs.



They laid off every single steel worker in the UK?

Just admit that you talked out of your ass, again.
   
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Chicago

 d-usa wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34581945


What's that, an article about non-existent steelworkers?


Layoffs.



They laid off every single steel worker in the UK?

Just admit that you talked out of your ass, again.


What steeler workers in the UK are equivalent to steel workers in the states?

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On a surly Warboar, leading the Waaagh!

 Frazzled wrote:
 BigWaaagh wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 BigWaaagh wrote:
Herr Goebbels does not appreciate mainstream news disrupting the party lie, I mean, line. "I want you to quote this," Mr. Bannon added. “The media here is the opposition party." And the lap dogs, just keep lapping it up.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%e2%80%99s-chief-strategist-says-news-media-should-%e2%80%98keep-its-mouth-shut%e2%80%99/ar-AAmhL9O?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP




I think you just officilly tripped the Godwin alarm. Usually Democrats don't start calling the Republicans nazis until the third week.



Sorry, that doesn't play, because when the shoe fits, Bannon's gotta wear it. Stay blindly partisan and be complicit with the slow, but organized assault on mainstream media and contrarian information sources by this administration, i.e. Government Agencies being told what they can and can't release to the American people, CNN being called "Fake News", etc. I'm not going to sit by and just say, "Oh, Donald, you're so spirited." Nope, I will not be a alt-right dupe.


In contrast to the Obama administration actually wiretapping an entire new bureau and trying to indict the Fox reporter right?
The Nazis didn't shut down the media. They took it over. You're thinking of your commie friends.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
 d-usa wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34581945


What's that, an article about non-existent steelworkers?


Layoffs.



I'm not defending what the Obama administration did. As a matter of fact, we're not even talking about Obama or the Obama administration, Frazz, so please stay with the current thread instead of deflecting in an attempt to avoid the stink of this administration's efforts to undermine mainstream media and stifle dissent.


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Trump wants to get rid of the environment enforcement side of the EPA...he does understand that the "P" in "EPA" stands for "Protection", right? His EPA transition guy calls the EPA's work on climate change "junk science". Well, add that to the whole alt-world that Trump is championing. There's a common theme here and it's a drive by this administration to manipulate the population and it usually starts with controlling the dissemination and availability of information.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/official-trump-wants-to-slash-epa-workforce-budget/ar-AAmix8d?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ASUDHP

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On moon miranda.

 Frazzled wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

The USA has had a trade deficit since 1976.


Now you see the problem.


Not really, the jury is out on whether trade deficits are inherently bad or good or both or neither.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/trade-deficit-effects.asp


Tell all the steel workers in your country, oh wait, you don't have any any more.
Much of which is probably not due to foreign trade issues, but increases in production efficiencies and automation.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/265cd8fb02fb44a69cf0eaa2063e11d9/mexico-taking-us-factory-jobs-blame-robots-instead

Associated Press wrote:"We're making more with fewer people," says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.

General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.

Or look at production of steel and other primary metals. Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.

Allan Collard-Wexler of Duke University and Jan De Loecker of Princeton University found last year that America didn't lose most steel jobs to foreign competition or faltering sales. Steel jobs vanished because of the rise of a new technology: Super-efficient mini-mills that make steel largely from scrap metal.


This is a reality that must be faced. Even in places like China, workers are being replaced by automation. It's easy and convenient to place all the blame on foreign dumping or undercutting, but increasingly automation is just making each individual worker much more productive and thus companies need less of them, though the rewards such productivity gains are captured almost entirely by shareholders rather than resulting in increased pay as well.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376966

BBC wrote:Apple and Samsung supplier Foxconn has reportedly replaced 60,000 factory workers with robots.

One factory has "reduced employee strength from 110,000 to 50,000 thanks to the introduction of robots", a government official told the South China Morning Post.

Xu Yulian, head of publicity for the Kunshan region, added: "More companies are likely to follow suit."

China is investing heavily in a robot workforce.

IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.

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Roswell, GA

Spoiler:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

The USA has had a trade deficit since 1976.


Now you see the problem.


Not really, the jury is out on whether trade deficits are inherently bad or good or both or neither.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/trade-deficit-effects.asp


Tell all the steel workers in your country, oh wait, you don't have any any more.
Much of which is probably not due to foreign trade issues, but increases in production efficiencies and automation.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/265cd8fb02fb44a69cf0eaa2063e11d9/mexico-taking-us-factory-jobs-blame-robots-instead

Associated Press wrote:"We're making more with fewer people," says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.

General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.

Or look at production of steel and other primary metals. Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.

Allan Collard-Wexler of Duke University and Jan De Loecker of Princeton University found last year that America didn't lose most steel jobs to foreign competition or faltering sales. Steel jobs vanished because of the rise of a new technology: Super-efficient mini-mills that make steel largely from scrap metal.


This is a reality that must be faced. Even in places like China, workers are being replaced by automation. It's easy and convenient to place all the blame on foreign dumping or undercutting, but increasingly automation is just making each individual worker much more productive and thus companies need less of them, though the rewards such productivity gains are captured almost entirely by shareholders rather than resulting in increased pay as well.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376966

BBC wrote:Apple and Samsung supplier Foxconn has reportedly replaced 60,000 factory workers with robots.

One factory has "reduced employee strength from 110,000 to 50,000 thanks to the introduction of robots", a government official told the South China Morning Post.

Xu Yulian, head of publicity for the Kunshan region, added: "More companies are likely to follow suit."

China is investing heavily in a robot workforce.


At some point with automation growing the way it is. We will have to deal with a future where some people don't work.

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Eliminating a trade deficit is also not worth it if it results in a 0.something percentage increase in total employment for the country, but also results in a single or double digit increase in cost of goods for the entire country.

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Gathering the Informations.

 BigWaaagh wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 BigWaaagh wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 BigWaaagh wrote:
Herr Goebbels does not appreciate mainstream news disrupting the party lie, I mean, line. "I want you to quote this," Mr. Bannon added. “The media here is the opposition party." And the lap dogs, just keep lapping it up.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%e2%80%99s-chief-strategist-says-news-media-should-%e2%80%98keep-its-mouth-shut%e2%80%99/ar-AAmhL9O?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP




I think you just officilly tripped the Godwin alarm. Usually Democrats don't start calling the Republicans nazis until the third week.



Sorry, that doesn't play, because when the shoe fits, Bannon's gotta wear it. Stay blindly partisan and be complicit with the slow, but organized assault on mainstream media and contrarian information sources by this administration, i.e. Government Agencies being told what they can and can't release to the American people, CNN being called "Fake News", etc. I'm not going to sit by and just say, "Oh, Donald, you're so spirited." Nope, I will not be a alt-right dupe.


In contrast to the Obama administration actually wiretapping an entire new bureau and trying to indict the Fox reporter right?
The Nazis didn't shut down the media. They took it over. You're thinking of your commie friends.



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 d-usa wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34581945


What's that, an article about non-existent steelworkers?


Layoffs.



I'm not defending what the Obama administration did. As a matter of fact, we're not even talking about Obama or the Obama administration, Frazz, so please stay with the current thread instead of deflecting in an attempt to avoid the stink of this administration's efforts to undermine mainstream media and stifle dissent.


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Trump wants to get rid of the environment enforcement side of the EPA...he does understand that the "P" in "EPA" stands for "Protection", right? His EPA transition guy calls the EPA's work on climate change "junk science". Well, add that to the whole alt-world that Trump is championing. There's a common theme here and it's a drive by this administration to manipulate the population and it usually starts with controlling the dissemination and availability of information.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/official-trump-wants-to-slash-epa-workforce-budget/ar-AAmix8d?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ASUDHP


Did you miss that another bit is removing the law enforcement aspect of the National Park Service and Bureau of Land Management?
   
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 Vash108 wrote:

At some point with automation growing the way it is. We will have to deal with a future where some people don't work.


One thing I learned over the past year is that the same people who point to people wanting an increase in minimum wage and laugh when they are replaced by this:



Are often the same people who think that regulations and taxes cost them their manufacturing jobs when in reality they were replaced by this:

   
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 d-usa wrote:
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The USA has had a trade deficit since 1976.


Now you see the problem.


Not really, the jury is out on whether trade deficits are inherently bad or good or both or neither.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/trade-deficit-effects.asp


Tell all the steel workers in your country, oh wait, you don't have any any more.


18,000 of them disagree.



Compared to 1974 when the steel industry employed 521,000 people, yeah, That's basically nothing.
   
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There were also no cell phone providers in 1974 but that industry has grown somewhat since then.

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 ulgurstasta wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

The USA has had a trade deficit since 1976.


Now you see the problem.


Not really, the jury is out on whether trade deficits are inherently bad or good or both or neither.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/trade-deficit-effects.asp


Tell all the steel workers in your country, oh wait, you don't have any any more.


18,000 of them disagree.



Compared to 1974 when the steel industry employed 521,000 people, yeah, That's basically nothing.


But "basically nothing" wasn't what Frazzled said. You're moving the goal posts.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34581945


What's that, an article about non-existent steelworkers?


Layoffs.



They laid off every single steel worker in the UK?

Just admit that you talked out of your ass, again.


How many are left? What does Britain make now?
Who voted for Brexit?

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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So any time Texas wants to secede again, they're more than welcome to Fraz

You guys are in a fight with Florida for worst state in the news right now

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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
 ulgurstasta wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

The USA has had a trade deficit since 1976.


Now you see the problem.


Not really, the jury is out on whether trade deficits are inherently bad or good or both or neither.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/trade-deficit-effects.asp


Tell all the steel workers in your country, oh wait, you don't have any any more.


18,000 of them disagree.



Compared to 1974 when the steel industry employed 521,000 people, yeah, That's basically nothing.


But "basically nothing" wasn't what Frazzled said. You're moving the goal posts.


I would rather say people are playing being obtuse to weasel out of the argument, as I think frazzleds meaning was quite clear, but I will leave it to frazzled to explain it.
   
 
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