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No clue if this has been asked before or not, if so i apologize. When a full unit And dreadnought disembark from a Raven to assault something, Where does the dreadnought come from? The rear hatch? or the front with the infantry? OR can anyone disembark from hatch? any help would be much appreciated. thank you.

Wwll the description in the BA book says the Dread is carried in the rear grapples on the Stormraven. so I would say somewhere near the back end of the vehicle.

Though strictly RAW you can deploy the dread anywhere within 2 inches of an access point.

I can't recall off the top of my head where I heard this, but for the purposes of disembarking from large skimmers like Valkyries and Storm Ravens, you disembark from the base regardless of features on the hull.

That is what i thought, but i play with a asshat or two sometimes so i wanted to be sure. Thanks folks for the help.

Commander Endova wrote:I can't recall off the top of my head where I heard this, but for the purposes of disembarking from large skimmers like Valkyries and Storm Ravens, you disembark from the base regardless of features on the hull.

No, the skimmers base is effectively ignored, except when assaulting a skimmer. P. 71

you measure from the hull for distances for disembarking, and from the weapons for shooting, as normal for vehicles.

Edit: the stormraven has rules to contradict this. you measure from the Stormravens Flying base.

DeathReaper wrote:No, the skimmers base is effectively ignored, except when assaulting a skimmer. P. 71

you measure from the hull for distances for disembarking, and from the weapons for shooting, as normal for vehicles.

Keep in mind that this is not true for Valkyries/Vendettas:

Imperial Guard FAQ wrote:Q. How do you treat the Valkyrie base for gaming? Due to its height it seems that it is impossible for a Valkyrie to contest an objective, or for troops to disembark/embark normally.

A. Follow the rules in Measuring Distances in the Skimmers section in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook with the following exception: For the purposes of contesting objectives and
embarking/disembarking from a Valkyrie or Vendetta, measure to and from the model’s base. For example, models wishing to embark within a Valkyrie can do so if at the end of their
movement, all models within the unit are within 2" of the Valkyrie’s base.

It's possible they will FAQ the Stormraven in a similar manner, but as of right now DeathReaper is correct with regards to the Stormraven model.

DoW

Does the Stormraven even have a flight base? All the pics so have have had it sitting on the ground, IIRC.

Anywhere with in 2" of the base. Same as a Vendetta, I also saw this mentioned in a recent White Dwarf, might have been this months issue. Also if you need a reference for how to disembark from large skimmers you can find it in the IG faq.

insaniak wrote:Does the Stormraven even have a flight base? All the pics so have have had it sitting on the ground, IIRC.

Maybe it has to land in order to debark anything from it...

Sol wrote:Anywhere with in 2" of the base. Same as a Vendetta, I also saw this mentioned in a recent White Dwarf, might have been this months issue. Also if you need a reference for how to disembark from large skimmers you can find it in the IG faq.

Edit: anywhere within 2 inches of the base for the Stormraven.

insaniak wrote:Does the Stormraven even have a flight base? All the pics so have have had it sitting on the ground, IIRC.

Yes it has a flight base, this months White dwarf has it on its flying base. but only like 1 or 2 pic's of it there, for most of the pics its on the ground.

it is in this months white dwarf.
" for the purposes of claiming or contesting objectives and embarking or disembarking from a stormraven, measure to or from its base" pg 23

Yep, given the precedent they set with the Valk/Vendetta FAQs, I'd say to treat the Stormraven the same way. I'll even steal it from DoW's post and paste it here again:

Q. How do you treat the Valkyrie base for gaming? Due to its height it seems that it is impossible for a Valkyrie to contest an objective, or for troops to disembark/embark normally.

A. Follow the rules in Measuring Distances in the Skimmers section in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook with the following exception: For the purposes of contesting objectives and
embarking/disembarking from a Valkyrie or Vendetta, measure to and from the model’s base. For example, models wishing to embark within a Valkyrie can do so if at the end of their
movement, all models within the unit are within 2" of the Valkyrie’s base.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RfD80Ww88ew/TTb4Ma8HiKI/AAAAAAAAA-c/0HV8oGAzWbw/s1600/2010-11-22_02_14_51.jpg

There is a pic on its base. and the BA rulebook was already clear on were you disembark from its under transports and it mentions you do so from its base. I dont even know wy there is an issue on this.

Hey, it doesn't look half bad in those pics....but yes, if I were playing against a Storm Raven, I'd play it as if it were a Valk or Vendetta, especially as it seems to be useing the same flying base.

Edit to correct my foolishness.

As Mr. Dabba said, the BA codex actually SPECIFIES that you measure to/from the base of the Storm Raven for objectives & for embarking/disembarking. Nice going, GW!

No need, its IN the codex. Page 38, under transports.

as mrdabba said....

There's hope for GW yet!

So when you say you measure from the base, is that anywhere from the base or just the back part of the base where it's actually attached?

Unless it specifies a part of the base (which I have not seen happen) any part is acceptable.

overkongen wrote:So when you say you measure from the base, is that anywhere from the base or just the back part of the base where it's actually attached?

Any part of the base.

Yep there it is, right in the BA book.

Since the Stormraven not have a model for the longest time I was playing it like a normal vehicle with my scratch build stormraven, since my scratch build does not have a base yet.

mrdabba wrote:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RfD80Ww88ew/TTb4Ma8HiKI/AAAAAAAAA-c/0HV8oGAzWbw/s1600/2010-11-22_02_14_51.jpg

There is a pic on its base. and the BA rulebook was already clear on were you disembark from its under transports and it mentions you do so from its base. I dont even know wy there is an issue on this.

I stand corrected! That'll teach me to comment on codices I don't own...

DoW

My favorite part is that, not only can the Dread effectively disembark from the 'front' area of the vehicle (or at least its base), but then it somehow is benefitting from its Assault ramp as well!

Maybe dropping the Dread on your head counts as having an assault ramp!

I've seen many occasions where a Furioso with Blood Talons disembarks 2" from the front of the Raven's base and then assaults. It's a great tactic. In fact, if a Raven is not carrying a dread for this purpose why take the Raven at all?