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Didn't undead come out before 2019 began? I don't think they should be counting towards the four teams this year.

 Thargrim wrote:
Didn't undead come out before 2019 began? I don't think they should be counting towards the four teams this year.

IIRC it was Q1 this year they came out, i ordered my Undead dice on the 11th March and i think the team were released 3 or 4 weeks before.

I found an article on the community site that suggests they went up for pre order around november 30th 2018, so it's been a while already. I don't think anything for BB released in 2019 until the halfling release.

 Thargrim wrote:
I found an article on the community site that suggests they went up for pre order around november 30th 2018, so it's been a while already. I don't think anything for BB released in 2019 until the halfling release.

I stand corrected, those dice were around for a while then

The best thing about the zoat is that it lists both lizardmen and Amazon's as its teams- I almost dare to dream those teams will be released this year...

Oh my... if Forgeworld make an actual zoat...

Forest Spite?! It´s called Forest Sprite. Such errors on SPCs are really disturbing.

No it’s not. Wood elves and Tree-people hang out with Spites™, not sprites.
You seem to have missed the last five years or so of GW’s IP-wrangling.

A ZOAT!!1!!

Omg! That’s great! Fingers crossed that they’ll make a come back as the tyrannid’s heralds at some point, for 40k (though, they never did get squigs back...).

A perfect fit for BB!

 Mr_Rose wrote:
No it’s not. Wood elves and Tree-people hang out with Spites™, not sprites.
You seem to have missed the last five years or so of GW’s IP-wrangling.

Longer than that in this case. They’ve been called Spites at least since the 2005 Wood Elves army book.

It's a handy pun to demonstrate that these things - and the Wood Elves in general - can be nasty and, well, spiteful. If it was for trademark potential, they'd have made up a word.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Zoat rules:

Spoiler:

Wait...what? No way. Now we must do the dance of joy.

 skullking wrote:
A ZOAT!!1!!

Omg! That’s great! Fingers crossed that they’ll make a come back as the tyrannid’s heralds at some point, for 40k (though, they never did get squigs back...).

A perfect fit for BB!

Grabber Slasher is next!

Zetan wrote:

 greatbigtree wrote:
I would like to see less emphasis on creating “long term” damage, and more focus on playing the ball. My experience is that the best long-term strategy for non elf / skaven teams (most teams) is to bash and, I almost forgot, 2 guys to play the ball.

To me, that seems to just be the playstyle that the majority of players have decided is "correct." And maybe they're right, but I've had a lot of success with other builds. When I play lizardmen, for instance, I've been known to start with only 3 sauruses, 3 re-rolls, and 9 skinks. Skinks are crazy fast, and can pull off plays nobody else can. They're also more resilient than you'd expect, thanks to dodge. Obviously Tackle is a huge problem for this style, but the only team that starts with much Tackle (dwarves) are extremely slow, so I can often just stay completely out of their threat range with most of my players.

Experiment with unconventional ways to play; you might surprise some people.

Seems to me like you're talking short term, how you start with a fresh team. Long term is opposite. There are hardly any lizzies in long term. No elves for sure. Once you reach 1800+ TV, the only ones who survive are Chaos, Nurgle and Dwarves. Maybe some undead/regen teams. Try playing for months on BB2 endless mode. You can try play as experimental as you want, at that level, you either kill or get killed.

Baxx wrote:

Zetan wrote:

 greatbigtree wrote:
I would like to see less emphasis on creating “long term” damage, and more focus on playing the ball. My experience is that the best long-term strategy for non elf / skaven teams (most teams) is to bash and, I almost forgot, 2 guys to play the ball.

To me, that seems to just be the playstyle that the majority of players have decided is "correct." And maybe they're right, but I've had a lot of success with other builds. When I play lizardmen, for instance, I've been known to start with only 3 sauruses, 3 re-rolls, and 9 skinks. Skinks are crazy fast, and can pull off plays nobody else can. They're also more resilient than you'd expect, thanks to dodge. Obviously Tackle is a huge problem for this style, but the only team that starts with much Tackle (dwarves) are extremely slow, so I can often just stay completely out of their threat range with most of my players.

Experiment with unconventional ways to play; you might surprise some people.

Seems to me like you're talking short term, how you start with a fresh team. Long term is opposite. There are hardly any lizzies in long term. No elves for sure. Once you reach 1800+ TV, the only ones who survive are Chaos, Nurgle and Dwarves. Maybe some undead/regen teams. Try playing for months on BB2 endless mode. You can try play as experimental as you want, at that level, you either kill or get killed.

Sure, that makes sense. I guess I don't think about "endless mode" stuff much because that's not how the rules for the miniatures game are structured at all. The Death Zone/Almanac league rules have a lot in place to keep things from getting to that point. So when I think "long-term" I'm assuming multiple seasons with players retiring and all that, which is very different from the experience that you're talking about.


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 Thargrim wrote:
I found an article on the community site that suggests they went up for pre order around november 30th 2018, so it's been a while already. I don't think anything for BB released in 2019 until the halfling release.

This is correct. I work at an FLGS and still have the emails about the undead release. That wave (Undead team, dice, cards, pitch, Spike journal, as well as Almanac 2018) all released on December 8th. Halflings are the first team of 2019. They're going to have to start churning out teams a lot faster if they're going to get 3 more out this year.

They may count teams released for a year as those summarized in the Almanac book for that year?

Well the last almanac only had 3 spike magazines in it. And I don't know if they could fit more into a book that size. Maybe they could fit four but that might be pushing it. If that's the case the next one would be undead/halflings/wood elves/(unknown).

mortar_crew wrote:

 skullking wrote:
A ZOAT!!1!!

Omg! That’s great! Fingers crossed that they’ll make a come back as the tyrannid’s heralds at some point, for 40k (though, they never did get squigs back...).

A perfect fit for BB!

Grabber Slasher is next!

That would seem like a perfect fit for the nids. I'd love to see the dominators make a come back as well. Although, their role is nicely filled by plenty of newer stuff these days.

Back on Topic.

So other than the Lizard men, High Elves, Ogres, Vampire Counts, and Tomb Kings, how long until I can get new bloodbowl chaos dwarfs? They seem a bit more legit then the amazons, or the Norse team (no offense to them, I think they're all awesome! I just recall seeing CD's prior to those teams (and lizard men too, now that I think about it...)), but I'm not sure popularity wise, where they sit. I'm a big fan of the team, and I hope they make a come back in plastic. Resin Bull Centaurs, Star players, and even a more Chaos Dwarf-centric minotaur (as many 3rd parties have done) would be nice too.

Of the teams included in the 3rd edition game and Deathzone expansion, only Chaos Dwarves have yet to be re-made (while the Nurgle and Elven Union teams weren't official parts of that edition).

I coulda sworn it was mentioned a while ago in the twitch channel Andy mentioned the Chorfs will retain their big hats. To me that sounds like they had at least made some decisions on their looks, so maybe we'll see them in less than 12 months, being optimistic. The original sculpts are one of the standout old metal teams too, instantly recognizable and one of the less bland looking teams.

Tbh i'm not sure how to feel about the hats returning, cause the ones in the BB2 video game looked great and fit the more modern legion of azgorh look. But I really do expect the blockers to look something like this art (which is for BB2 but funny enough doesn't match the look of the team at all):

With the Zoat card being teased I can't help but think the one after the Woodies are Lizards.

 Crazyterran wrote:
With the Zoat card being teased I can't help but think the one after the Woodies are Lizards.

Amazons are also listed on the Zoat card though, so who knows. It would be nice to see them released too. Provided they are anywhere near as good as the escher sculpts.

I guess it wouldn't be too big of a retooling of the escher kit to make 'zons. The Leader/Champion Eschers are bulkier and would make decent blitzers, for example.

 Crazyterran wrote:
With the Zoat card being teased I can't help but think the one after the Woodies are Lizards.

All new & old Star Players for Wood Elves are teased.

The only things that remain to be seen for Wood Elf now is new inducements, pitch/weather rules, Special Play cards and Special Ball(s).

Anyone seen the Halfling Special Ball(s) yet?


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 Thargrim wrote:

Amazons are also listed on the Zoat card though, so who knows. It would be nice to see them released too. Provided they are anywhere near as good as the escher sculpts.

Amazons are listed on a bunch of Star Player cards released recently and long time ago.

Well, Amazons (and Lizardmen, Norse, and all the other teams from the Living Rulebook edition) have had rules in the current edition of the game since it was released.

Having "unreleased" teams listed on Star Players' cards is part future-proofing, part expanding the "Teams of Legend" until they get a new set of models and Spike! Journal.

The wood elves and their accessories go up for pre order next weekend. Plus inducement cards which could be very handy.

The tokens and balls for the wood elves are awesome, i'm so tempted to get this team...they just look more challenging and time consuming to paint compared to the other teams though.

But since the wood elves are out in two weeks it might only be a couple months before we find out what is next.

Hopefully the treeman isn't too far out, now that they are releasing the woodies - I expected them to release it the same week or the week after...

 Crazyterran wrote:
Hopefully the treeman isn't too far out, now that they are releasing the woodies - I expected them to release it the same week or the week after...

I hope they release a separate treeman as that style does nothing for me, but I could just buy one of the AOS revenants morning nstead.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Well, Amazons (and Lizardmen, Norse, and all the other teams from the Living Rulebook edition) have had rules in the current edition of the game since it was released.

Having "unreleased" teams listed on Star Players' cards is part future-proofing, part expanding the "Teams of Legend" until they get a new set of models and Spike! Journal.

Funny about the cards, there are something like 8 official Morg n Thorg cards. The first from the starter box only states Humans as available team. They either didn't care to note the correct teams because they didn't know the new release would be a hit. Or they wanted to keep it in line with the dummy/demo/noob version of the starter box where any teams, positionals or skills not included in the box simply didn't exist.

Later cards have the correct teams, but without the new BB2016 names. So it would mention Undead instead of Shambling Undead, same with Necromantic. The latest card decks have correct teams and new team names for the Morg n Thirg card.

Looks like the Forgeworld upgrades: Bright Crusaders and Orcland Raiders are up on Last Chance to Buy