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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just noticed the keywords:

Heretic Astartes
Traitoris Astartes


... Redundant Astartes more like...

Probably so they can keyword rules without needing exceptions.

'Heretic Astartes' covers all non-loyalist Marines; then there's Bubonic, Arcana, Traitoris... for further differentiation.

But wouldn't it be... I dunno... Furiosa Astartes or something, for 'Zerkers/World Eaters. Not "Traitoris"?

Maybe a reference to Kharn the Betrayer

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But wouldn't it be... I dunno... Furiosa Astartes or something, for 'Zerkers/World Eaters. Not "Traitoris"?

World Eaters will probably only be "Traitoris Astartes" in this supplement, so that they can properly interact with the stuff in the CSM codex. Once they get their own Codex, they'll probably get their own version of "(X) Astartes" keyword.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But wouldn't it be... I dunno... Furiosa Astartes or something, for 'Zerkers/World Eaters. Not "Traitoris"?

It would be if it wasn't the WD supplement was for the CSM codex instead of a stand alone codex.

So what we're saying is that Traitoris Astartes is to Heretic Astartes in the same way that Hive Tendril is to Tyranid?

Still could'a come up with a less redundant name.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So what we're saying is that Traitoris Astartes is to Heretic Astartes in the same way that Hive Tendril is to Tyranid?

Still could'a come up with a less redundant name.

More like how Bubonic Astartes applies to actual Astartes in the Death Guard codex but not non-Astartes Heretic Astartes units like the various Daemon Engines.

Make the Galaxy Tremble With the Power of an Ancient Traitor Legion


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So...a word bearers warlord gets a 4+ invul and more strength, movement, wounds and attacks.
For free. With no downsides.

The only way that could make sense balance wise is if the Word Bearer's trait is absolute gak and the only strong point they have is the warlord, or if the daemon trait has a huge weakness.
Or maybe both.

The Iron warriors secondary objective sounds interesting though.

The last thing is both really bloody weird and not particularly flavourful

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The last thing is both really bloody weird and not particularly flavourful

How do you figure? He's basically Possessed: The HQ.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So...a word bearers warlord gets a 4+ invul and more strength, movement, wounds and attacks.
For free. With no downsides.

The only way that could make sense balance wise is if the Word Bearer's trait is absolute gak and the only strong point they have is the warlord, or if the daemon trait has a huge weakness.
Or maybe both.

The Iron warriors secondary objective sounds interesting though.

Umh. That's warlord trait so for one costs cp. And of course no other warlord trait. It's not extra rule all word bearers have.

That's like "damn that marine captain hands out obsec for free"

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The last thing is both really bloody weird and not particularly flavourful

How do you figure? He's basically Possessed: The HQ.

I meant the Warlord Trait. I don't see how a game of picking a number plays into Emperor's Children or Arrogance.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The last thing is both really bloody weird and not particularly flavourful

How do you figure? He's basically Possessed: The HQ.

I meant the Warlord Trait. I don't see how a game of picking the higher number plays into Emperor's Children or Arrogance.

It's being arrogant enough to try and steal as much of an advantage as you dare, but I agree it feels more Tzeentch.


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I will add the "teeheehee we did something with agents of bile!" comment is annoying given we can see them in the table of contents for a book that's up for sale this weekend.

tneva82 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So...a word bearers warlord gets a 4+ invul and more strength, movement, wounds and attacks.
For free. With no downsides.

The only way that could make sense balance wise is if the Word Bearer's trait is absolute gak and the only strong point they have is the warlord, or if the daemon trait has a huge weakness.
Or maybe both.

The Iron warriors secondary objective sounds interesting though.

Umh. That's warlord trait so for one costs cp. And of course no other warlord trait. It's not extra rule all word bearers have.

That's like "damn that marine captain hands out obsec for free"

Since when did warlord traits cost CP? Is that a Chapter Approved change? I do not recall seeing that in the 9th ed rulebook.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Since when did warlord traits cost CP? Is that a Chapter Approved change? I do not recall seeing that in the 9th ed rulebook.

is this a serious question

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Since when did warlord traits cost CP? Is that a Chapter Approved change? I do not recall seeing that in the 9th ed rulebook.

It's a Tourney-K thing in the new Chapter Approved.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/14/war-zone-nephilim-the-next-mission-pack-is-bringing-massive-changes-to-matched-play/

So, do not worry about it unless you want to play the new GT junk.

GW wrote:The splintered Legions are all awful in their own unique ways...

It's good to see GW finally admit it.*





*Quote may be taken out of context. Quote may not reflect author's intention. Quoted for propagandistic purposes without author's consent.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The last thing is both really bloody weird and not particularly flavourful

How do you figure? He's basically Possessed: The HQ.

I meant the Warlord Trait. I don't see how a game of picking a number plays into Emperor's Children or Arrogance.

Yeah, I'm having a hard time seeing it. A funnier arrogance/overconfidence rule would be to guess the number of hits before you roll your melee attacks. If you exceed your chosen number, you get to make that many extra attacks. If you're below it, you suffer a number of wounds equal to that difference.

is there a latest compliation of the leaks somewhere? I know the Black Legion trait lines up IIRC.

 Sasori wrote:
is there a latest compliation of the leaks somewhere? I know the Black Legion trait lines up IIRC.

The leaker is a B&C member, which has been down for a week or so to have upgrades. So no recent compilations or news.

That's some weird and random stuff.
IW like to pause in battle to shoot up random points of ground?

EC warlords stop to play a very simplified version of liar's dice?

Cultists seem to have legion keywords, but are excluded from various things.


BL trait matches up with rumors, though

Not sure I like that EC WL trait. I mean now I have to essentially play rock, paper, scissor with my opponent each time my WL wants to attack in combat? Seems to unnecessarily slow the game.

Maybe if the trait was doing D6 instead of D3 for attacks, it'd be a lot better. For THAT small a benefit though? Pass.

 oni wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Since when did warlord traits cost CP? Is that a Chapter Approved change? I do not recall seeing that in the 9th ed rulebook.

It's a Tourney-K thing in the new Chapter Approved.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/14/war-zone-nephilim-the-next-mission-pack-is-bringing-massive-changes-to-matched-play/

So, do not worry about it unless you want to play the new GT junk.

Oh, so something that was just announced that I didn't see for something I don't care about.
Alright then.

The best thing that they could find to show off for the 8th Legion is the stratagem that we got in the 8th edition codex.

Now that's salesmanship! "Hey, look Night Lords players! It's the same thing you've had for the past 5 years! See how hard we've been working on the new codex?".

It feels pointless. Its effectively d4-1, but more complicated. Now, of course, current 40k doesn't use other dice, but a warlord trait giving nothing is a bit too much of the 'chaos=random nonsense' punishment anyway.

Just make it d3. Or +2 attacks always.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Maybe if the trait was doing D6 instead of D3 for attacks, it'd be a lot better. For THAT small a benefit though? Pass.

Eh, it's probably a balance thing. 1/3 chance of it not working feels a lot fairer than 1/6 chance. Especially when in the case of the D6 you can get 6 attacks. Then again, your opponent is probably always going to for 6 anyway, so in the end it doesn't really matter.

Come to think of it, why is it a Slaanesh trait? With the amount of mind games at play here it should really be a Tzeentch thing.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Maybe if the trait was doing D6 instead of D3 for attacks, it'd be a lot better. For THAT small a benefit though? Pass.

Eh, it's probably a balance thing.

X

Turning Hydra's wail into a 1CP cost relic version of a 0 CP Stratagem for other factions... Woof.