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I don't remember any army ever so heavily ballyhooed and bandwagoned before. It is crazy.

Well, that depends. How long have you been playing the game?

They are certainly the most irritating. I don't think I've ever seen a bigger bandwagon. In anything.

The best 40K army ever (compared to competition) was Pete Haines' Chaos Space Marines. From Iron Warriors spamming true T5 Obliterators, to Khorne Glaive Daemon Princes doing first turn charges with double 4+ invulnerables, to infiltrating daemonic speed S6 lieutenants, to entirely infiltrating Marine armies, to armies with six Havoc squads with full tank hunting missiles, to untargetable and therefore essentially unkillable Siren Daemon Princes (the dumbest unit and rule that has ever existed in GW games), to Defilers and Basilisks abusing the broken ordnance template rules in destroying enemy vehicles (1 battlecannon taking out 4 vehicles) while also abusing daemonic possession combined with the stupid hull down rules, nothing came close to that book. Even their Daemonbomb lists worked like a charm.

The only other army that has produced such skewed attendance and high scoring results in GW games was Daemons of Chaos in Warhammer Fantasy. When a top10 in a GT of 150 players has 8 or 9 players playing the same army, something is wrong.

Grey Knights don't come even close. They're yet another good 5th edition codex, and they've all been good with the exception of Tyranids.

The bandwagon could fill all of Africa. Grey is the new LAME. Please don't attempt to circumvent the language filter. Doing so is a violation of Dakka rules.

Grey Knights will have trouble with mechanized armies, and that'll keep them from becoming the top army.

Somehow I think the S8 autocannon dreads say otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing the the towel or even going to assume they are OP, but that option alone makes them good against light armour spam.

Black Fiend wrote:The bandwagon could fill all of Africa. Grey is the new gehy.

You realize that you are yes-man-ing your own thread right? Did you not think anyone would notice?

Is this a thread about Space Wolves?

Or has a year passed?

Grey Knights will have trouble with mechanized armies, and that'll keep them from becoming the top army.

That couldn't be further from the truth. Whatever it has trouble it (if anything) it's not mech. Of course individual lists might be bad because people make bad army lists all the time but as a book they certainly are right up there.

97 points for 3 meltas and a Chimera. 135 points for unshakeable quad S8 BS4 autocannons. Repeat to maximum and you haven't even spent 1000 points yet.

Call it a cliche but how could anyone say any army is better than another, each have pro's and con's. Its fine saying GK have a S8 autocannon to tear apart mech lists but that doesn't mean a commander will take any or enough to prevent the opponant using target saturation tactics to overcome them which is a common strength of Guard. All armies have at least one weapon to perform each role and most armies have plenty. Space marines have the tools for pretty much any job but that doesn't mean the command will dish enough of them out to his units.

Imperium can BE MY BEST FRIENDS FOREVER.

IG is the best army ever, the sky is falling!

OMG, SW are so OP, nothing will ever beat them!

WTF?! Mephiston is uber-cheese, BA will never lose a match!

etc, etc... Every second dex or so produces this response, after a month or two people will have played some games and figured out how to deal with it.

Except for SW, they really are cheese. Screw SW in their furry butts.

It's every second dex because every second dex is an army of the Imperium. Xenos will never get a dex as OP as SW or even as good as they've had in previous editions.

GK do seem powerful but many elements (such as low model count and unit specialization) remind me of my Eldar and those two aspects of Eldar are very challenging. Players who jump into GK thinking they are the new MEQ win button will be surprised that they can't point at the table and and erase their opponent's army.

dnanoodle wrote:It's every second dex because every second dex is an army of the Imperium. Xenos will never get a dex as OP as SW or even as good as they've had in previous editions.

GK do seem powerful but many elements (such as low model count and unit specialization) remind me of my Eldar and those two aspects of Eldar are very challenging. Players who jump into GK thinking they are the new MEQ win button will be surprised that they can't point at the table and and erase their opponent's army.

Thats what Guard does

dnanoodle wrote:It's every second dex because every second dex is an army of the Imperium. Xenos will never get a dex as OP as SW or even as good as they've had in previous editions.

I don't know about that. Tyranids didn't get any love for their last dex, but DE did really well for themselves. They sorta flew under the raidar (ha ha, get it?) as far as people freaking out and calling them OP goes, but they're a very powerful army.

ten bucks says that April 10th there will be dozens of "proven method to beat new GK codex", all of which will be true.

There is a simple rule for fear, it is infinitely easier to fear what you do not know, experience, it is easy to fear the intangible.

Know what your scared of so you dont ever have to be scared again.

Am I the only one who thinks Necrons are going to kick the crap out of GK? And anyone with a land raider or two?

Mannahnin wrote:Is this a thread about Space Wolves?

Or has a year passed?

High Five!

A single landraider is nothing to be scared of, a Vindicare should have little difficulty in disposing of one.

Necron monolith spam will be very scary for PAGK and Inquisitional armies, but Terminator armies will do fine.

Dashofpepper wrote:Am I the only one who thinks Necrons are going to kick the crap out of GK? And anyone with a land raider or two?

Well, for most AV 14 the psycannon will have a 7.5% chance of penning per shot. Considering you get 2 shots on the move or 4 standing still, that's pretty good.

The vindicare should also have no problem crushing Monoliths and other Av 14 mech, although he's fragile and only has a 36" threat range.

I've a feeling the next Necron codex will change the army in a big way. Theres a lot of rumours about them getting FNP instead of the broken WBB. That would pose a problem for Necrons so I would imagine there won't be a phase out and the price of the warriors will be lowered. I've also heard they're getting a load of new supporting units and a new C'tan. Either way I think it'll bring the Necron 'dex back down to reality. When my Demolisher cannon hits you.....Your down and you stay that way.....

No Dash, you are not the only one who thinks that. I expect that people will return to whining about Necrons soon...even moreso than the whining that still continues today concerning Monoliths.

GW better do a bangup job with Necrons.

Dashofpepper wrote:Am I the only one who thinks Necrons are going to kick the crap out of GK? And anyone with a land raider or two?

I think that Land raiders are overpriced bull's eyes.

Its a terrible opinion but I'm a tau player, and for the same price I could get three twin linked S10 AP1 rail guns and three four shot SMART missile systems. Which I feel is a much wiser investment.

As a former space marine player I also think so, a good devestator msquad armed with four lascannons can still come out a tad cheaper. Now you've got a sure way of destroying AV14 armour and a surefire sniper team that can kick ass. And four heavy bolters can also shred apart enemy teams.

As much as I enjoyed my switch to tau, my one great regret is leaving behind the devestator squad.


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snake wrote:They are certainly the most irritating. I don't think I've ever seen a bigger bandwagon. In anything.

change,

change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.

I play a Wraith Wing Necron list; my warriors are minimal and only there because they have to be.

If the only answer to Monoliths are terminators and a vindicare assassin, I'm not worried. I don't see GK terminators making competitive builds, and my Deceiver babysits my Monoliths; I don't think they'd dare come close anyway. The vindicare is a bit more annoying. But that's what wraith assaults, deep-striking monoliths, and teleportation is for.

I'm looking forward to playing some GK armies.

Dashofpepper wrote:Am I the only one who thinks Necrons are going to kick the crap out of GK? And anyone with a land raider or two?

Yes/no. A lot of the GK lists that I've seen are going to fare extremely poorly vs. any kind of dual LR build, and maybe even some single-LR ones. On the other hand I don't see Necrons doing anything at all to them, at least until their new Codex comes out.

Necrons have always been devoid of psykers. Here's to hoping they get a T10 monstrous creature.

I see my prediction of the proliferation of 'remove from table' effects was right. At this rate a quarter of the Necron army will have some way to remove models from the table, bypassing EW and most saves somehow.

Was it just me, or do the GK lack eternal warrior on the non-special characters? And a Necron army that actually takes Pariahs, or a WH army with the old psi-assassin, would be hilarious against GK.

Black Fiend wrote:The bandwagon could fill all of Africa. Grey is the new gehy.

You misspelled lame. Don't troll.

Is there anyway to top this thead? Is it the best thread ever?