1500 Dark Eldar - Hopefully a little different

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**Ataraxia**

The Hexrifle always looks like a fun time. I feel like with all the special characters that make lists thrive, this weapon has its place. Still, I need more input in developing this list into something that is fun and effective.

HQs
Haemonc x6
-Hexrifles
=390

Troops
Wrack x30 (split into 6 units of 5)
- Liquifier, Acothyst w/ Hexrifle
=510

Heavy
Ravager x3
FF, NS
=375

Dedicated Transports
Venom w/ cannon x3
=195

Grand Total = 1470

It's a fairly defensive list. A haemonculi goes with each wrack squad in cover, sniping away. All the gun boats strafe back and forth shooting away. This list, the way it is now, is more about hunting unlucky IC's and stuff than anything else. I will probably run this tuesday. Let me know what you think.

**lucasbuffalo**

What will you do about vehicles?

**Skurk3n**

9 darklances is way to few darklight wepaons and a mech force will completly destroy this, and its to defensive and those small units will have a hard time walking up to an objective in your opponents deployment zone.

**lucasbuffalo**

9 wouldn't be abysmal, but it is made bad by the fact that it's 9 among 3 vehicles, which means a max of 3 vehicle targets.
If those three sink, you're pretty bad off.

**Gorechild**

What is going to go in the venom's? Unless you leave the haemy's seperate, none of your units can fit in them.

I think you can safely drop 2 haemy's, then have units of 4 wrack's and a haemy in each of the 3 venoms. You can then have one max size foot unit with the 4th HQ to hold a backfield objective.

If your going for a fluffy coven/haemonculus list then maybe think about some scourges with haywire blasters to help with anti-tank?

**revackey**

I would put a shattershard on one of your haemoculus, then replace all the Hexrifles with Liquifers. Unless they will be back field, liquifiers will be your best bet.

**asimo77**

Hexrifles don't seem that good. You have one shot, need to hit, then wound, then get past the save, then do the characteristic test. And of course it all could be wasted if the wound is allocated off a MC or IC, who have plenty of wounds anyway so they'll probably pass the test.

When you need to down multi-Wound dudes just use poisoned weaponry.

**Ataraxia**

Yeah, as I was writing this list I was realizing it simply wouldn't be as fun or work like I was hoping.

I wasn't planning on putting anything in those venoms. They are there just to fly around and shoot mostly.

This wasn't really well thought out.

I'm still going to run it at least once and make it work anyway.

**Galador**

Actually, if your trying to make the list competitive, listen to some of the advice here.

But... If your trying ot have fun. I think you could actually have a good time with this list, especially if your opponent is running a fluffy/themed list also. Besides, you can still glance AV12 with those hexrifles!!!

While not a tourney competitive list, it does look interesting, as your units have plenty of anti infantry staying power from range, and you do have a decent AT amount, even though most of it is chancy. Yeah it won't hold up against a mech list, but not everyone plays them. I think it would do rather well against a horde list, actually, with all the splinter cannons and hexrifles 36", so you have a good amount of ranged AI.

Besides, even if it doesn't decimate your opponent, it will be something they wouldn't think of being put on the table, and could cause them to change their own strategy quite a bit, thus making them play your game, meaning you have taken them off their usual tactics and forcing them to learn a new one, which is always good for a DE player!!!

I say try it for fun and let us know how it works, then decide what you might change. Always give every list a chance, make changes after playtesting. Even the worst lists people can think of can actually turn out to be amazing against certain opponents!!

**Ataraxia**

Thanks for the positivity Galador. I will post a bat rep tomorrow after I play it.

**Galador**

Ataraxia wrote:Thanks for the positivity Galador. I will post a bat rep tomorrow after I play it.

Will be anxiously awaiting it, and here's to hoping you pop a transport with a hexrifle!!

**asimo77**

Galador wrote:
Ataraxia wrote:Thanks for the positivity Galador. I will post a bat rep tomorrow after I play it.

Will be anxiously awaiting it, and here's to hoping you pop a transport with a hexrifle!!

You know I never even considered the possibility of popping a vehicle with a Hexrifle that would be kinda funny. I mean it's stat-line is fine, nothing wrong with S6 AP4 and it's a assault weapon too. I just find that it's special rule isn't intuitive. In other words expect it to just be a nice rifle for your Haemonculus but don't expect to be getting much ID's with it.

**Galador**

asimo77 wrote:
Galador wrote:
Ataraxia wrote:Thanks for the positivity Galador. I will post a bat rep tomorrow after I play it.

Will be anxiously awaiting it, and here's to hoping you pop a transport with a hexrifle!!

You know I never even considered the possibility of popping a vehicle with a Hexrifle that would be kinda funny. I mean it's stat-line is fine, nothing wrong with S6 AP4 and it's a assault weapon too. I just find that it's special rule isn't intuitive. In other words expect it to just be a nice rifle for your Haemonculus but don't expect to be getting much ID's with it.

Just a clarification, but its strength X, not 6. and all sniper rifles are S3 against vehicles, S9 with the rend, and then up to a 12 for penetration. Also, even though its a very narrow use, it is the ONLY assault sniper rifle in the game, which means you don't have to be scared about using it right before a charge.

And lastly, it does NOT cause Instant Death, otherwise Eternal Warrior would ignore it, and the hexrifle bypasses Eternal Warrior, as it simply removes the model from play.

**asimo77**

After looking at my dex you're right. Dunno where I got the S6 thing from, and the ID. I guess I hardly use Hexrifles so I kinda messed up their rules lolz!

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Also it says vehicles cannot be affected by Hexrifles in it's rules

**Galador**

asimo77 wrote:Also it says vehicles cannot be affected by Hexrifles in it's rules

You are correct!!!

Looks like we both learned something new about the hexrifle. Guess that si why its an assault sniper rifle instead of a heavy one. But thats ok, cause he will still have range with the Ravagers to stop the really hurty tanks and transports, and the wracks and Haemys in cover get a 4+/4++ with the FnP they start with, and if something gets out of a transport close enough to assault range, well then, they just walk out of the cover and then charge with that FC tacked on to more than likely reroll to wound. They can also glance most transports in assault on the charge too!!!

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Just thought of something..... I know you will have to get through the 2+/5+ invul on them, but imagine hexrifles vs the new GK Paladins aka the 2 wound Termies..... a nice rending shot would fall back on the invul, and once they fail, its really hard to roll a 1 or 2 consistently. With the number of hexrifles he has, he can make it a really bad day for them!!!!

**Ataraxia**

Ah, bummer. It's all good though. At the store I game at, most of the players are poor college kids like myself and don't run lists that are fully meched up. We play hard with what we have. However, I do like to try and keep my lists up for anything so if I do decide to go somewhere, I can play a solid game.

I'm still very new to DE so I've just been trying to explore different avenues with them and try to find a play style that fits me, that I can do well with, that has cool models, and is different than my Tyranids.

**Galador**

Ataraxia wrote:Ah, bummer. It's all good though. At the store I game at, most of the players are poor college kids like myself and don't run lists that are fully meched up. We play hard with what we have. However, I do like to try and keep my lists up for anything so if I do decide to go somewhere, I can play a solid game.

I'm still very new to DE so I've just been trying to explore different avenues with them and try to find a play style that fits me, that I can do well with, that has cool models, and is different than my Tyranids.

ooo

...... convert your tyrant guard into Grotesques!!!!!!

Or maybe Zoanthropes into Cronos???

**asimo77**

A little correction on your Paladin scenario, with a Force Sword they would increase their invuln save to 4++ (unless it's CC only, not sure), then there's the possible Apothecary so FNP on top of that.

Honestly my solution will be the Shattershard, I'm gonna make my brother cry with that! I might also experiment with TGL and the Crucible.

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Edit: Actually the FNP would be negated by the Rending

**Ataraxia**

I think I will be dropping the liquifiers on the wracks and one venom and taking a squad of warriors and a raider if the points allow.

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Epic fail. It was a night of poor rolling and the kid I was playing had a list that was questionable in its legality. Either way, I don't think I could have pulled it off. It was certainly worth a lot and I did learn some interesting things, so in that view of it, the list was successful.