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May I suggest the "space marine hobby kompendium" page 48 and 95, where a shoulderpad like this is a veteran shoulderpad?
Same tome, page 84, chapter badge of the Novamarines.

At the left shoulder, its a veteran pad, at the right its Novamarines.

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Or it is a Sergeant for a Red Scorpion Honor Guard squad...

Or is it just a highly elaborate shoulderpad for a Sergeant for a generic Honor Guard kit released, intended as an upgrade to make SM Commanders and their retinues look really good...

Which one would net the most money, y'think?
(It's not the one with Red Scorpions)

Alpharius wrote:

Nice work again, Mr Monk...

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Or it is a Sergeant for a Red Scorpion Honor Guard squad...

Or is it just a highly elaborate shoulderpad for a Sergeant for a generic Honor Guard kit released, intended as an upgrade to make SM Commanders and their retinues look really good...

Which one would net the most money, y'think?
(It's not the one with Red Scorpions)

I wouldn't write of Red Scorpions just yet.

FW usually doesn't successfully hide much in their picture names.

So, what do YOU think "sl-rs-hg-nl" stands for?

Given that the symbol we see is on the right pad, which is the squad designator side - sure looks like an honor guard/veteran marking.

So there's your HG.

NL is "News Letter".

SL is ?

RS is... probably Red Scorpions.

I suppose it could be "Something Lame like a Regular Spacemarine", but my money's not on that one.

People in this hobby certainly own hobby knives.

I know I've scrapped off a few RS markings in my time!

SL - Could be "Squad Leader"

RS - I'm thinking "Right Side", as shoulderpads -tend- to be cast in pairs on the spue.

HG - I think everyone has this down

NL - Newsletter most likely

Kanluwen wrote:
Red Scorpions are a pretty complete line-up, as it stands now. And the fact that IA8 was Raven Guard makes me think they know they've done all they can for 'em, outside of releasing Chapter specific Scouts(which'd be silly to do, since Scouts are Scouts...the difference is in the training and veterancy make-up of Chapters' Scout corps). The fact that we're also getting "generic" ancient styles of armor lends credence to that, as they realize people aren't really interested in scraping symbols off anymore.

OK - those are VERY good points, especially in regards to NOT wanting to scrape symbols anymore, as I know I certainly don't want to!

metallifan wrote:SL - Could be "Squad Leader"

RS - I'm thinking "Right Side", as shoulderpads -tend- to be cast in pairs on the spue.

HG - I think everyone has this down

NL - Newsletter most likely

What...?!?

Did you just poke holes in my theory boat with a perfectly plausible alternate explanation of those letters?!?!?

I think Metalli and I both did.

But then again, we are cryptologically endowed individuals.

I cant wait for these models to come out i just dropped £200 on 2 sets of each , gonna get some weapon packs next week then ill be climbing the walls waiting for the Postman!!! Cant wait to see some of the crazy conversions some people bring out

FW's proffits have just gone up tenfold now lol.
All because they released something players want, rather than what GW want us to want.

Its a hell of a lot better than the 5 metal armours of the past minis GW put out.

Well games workshop and forgeworld know that any marine set they produce will be sold - power armour is addicting

I think Jack hit the nail on the head though in saying that FW released something the players want. Besides, GW would most likely say that they have intended all along for FW to release these models; of course we all know that is total BS.

Wow all these new suits are fantastic, especially how they combine with the regular sets, just fantastic...

Generalstoner wrote:I think Jack hit the nail on the head though in saying that FW released something the players want. Besides, GW would most likely say that they have intended all along for FW to release these models; of course we all know that is total BS.

Uh no, it's really not a case of "we all know that is total BS".

Forge World does specialist items. Dedicated kits of Pre-Heresy variants of Space Marine armor, at least in the numbers to field squads equipped in them, are going to be 'specialist items'.

And Forge World doesn't do things for the players. They do things that they personally want to do. Now that the Horus Heresy and the equipment involved has become sort of 'set in stone', due to the novels...they can finally do that without having to worry about something being retconned.

Just ordered the Iron Hands transfers, will give a review when it arrives.

Are FW transfer sheets thinner than the standard GW ones?

Yes.

They're done very much like the really really really expensive model kits you find from Tamiya, et all. If I remember to, later today I'll get a picture or scan of the Raven Guard sheet I got.

My order of Mk III armour and Umbra Ferrox bolters arrived!

Kanluwen wrote:And Forge World doesn't do things for the players. They do things that they personally want to do. Now that the Horus Heresy and the equipment involved has become sort of 'set in stone', due to the novels...they can finally do that without having to worry about something being retconned.

I think that there is more to it than that. FW doing Heresy models is a big gamble for GW. Heresy is the new hotness and I hardly hear anything about the fiction for current 40k. This isn't surprising, especially with all the NYT list stuff going on, HH is big business. The gamble comes with the significant risk that if there was a Heresy line it would have a significant impact on the 40k line (as opposed to the 30k heresy stuff). There is a danger among some players that spending on FW product could eclipse that of Citadel product in some areas and this would be a concern as it might divide the Hobby and could have an impact on brick and mortar stores which are already feeling the pinch.

can someone show a scale comparison between the fw marine and the gw marines

transfer sheet arrived this morning why they did black transfers i dont know.

Bloodwin wrote:I think that there is more to it than that. FW doing Heresy models is a big gamble for GW. Heresy is the new hotness and I hardly hear anything about the fiction for current 40k. This isn't surprising, especially with all the NYT list stuff going on, HH is big business. The gamble comes with the significant risk that if there was a Heresy line it would have a significant impact on the 40k line (as opposed to the 30k heresy stuff). There is a danger among some players that spending on FW product could eclipse that of Citadel product in some areas and this would be a concern as it might divide the Hobby and could have an impact on brick and mortar stores which are already feeling the pinch.

I don't see people flooding to buy Forgeworld because of the expense, they are luxuries even by GWs standards and resin is really only for the experienced. There's a lot of Heresy interest online but walk into a GW shop and bulk of kids there aren't interested in buying HH marines, GW know where their bread and butter is.

Or GW could up their game, invest seriously in Forgeworld to increase reliability and production and start selling it through their highstreet stores.

Thats a good idea.

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:can someone show a scale comparison between the fw marine and the gw marines

FW has kind of already done that for you!

Many of the Pre-Heresy Marines have pictures of their parts mixed in with 'standard' GW plastic parts.

In other words, I'm pretty sure they scale perfectly.

Slinky wrote:My order of Mk III armour and Umbra Ferrox bolters arrived!

Wow, that's some ugly packaging. But damn do I want some of those...

Guess that explains the prices. There's more flash than model there.

I noticed it with one of my Raven Guard upgrade kits too.

Not sure if it's a one off issue with the first run of stuff or what.

Slinky:

That was quick. When did you order those?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Guess that explains the prices. There's more flash than model there.

All that excess resin suggests to me that resin is dirt cheap and it's easier to do the moulds that way. The cost would be from some bean counter saying they can get away with selling them at that price, not the quantity of materials involved.

cadbren wrote:All that excess resin suggests to me that resin is dirt cheap and it's easier to do the moulds that way. The cost would be from some bean counter saying they can get away with selling them at that price, not the quantity of materials involved.

Nah. I'm gonna go with the 'excess resin driving up the price' theory.