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LunaHound wrote:
Of course the angle and such might be off , but worth a shot :3

WTF! ITS SMALLER THEN A LANDRAIDER!?!?!

The stormraven is now the most out of scale model in production. I could see 10-12 guardsmen in a valk, but the stormraven is TINY! It is now, truly, the "Chibihawk".

EDIT* I am going from the size of the troop compartment, not the entire craft.

How are you interpreting it's troop compartment as being smaller than a Landraiders? You know the LR doesn't have troops huddled inside it's tracks right?

wait...stormraven-valkyrie...
same size interior...
valk- carries 12 IG...
SR- carries 12 SM...
WTF?! This thing needs to be at least the volume of a LR- similar firpower, same transport capacity, just LR has smaller engines (or so I'd imagine).
The troop holding bit is the same width as a LR's, but is shorter lengthways.
Oh and I really hope someone will make a LR with wings. A second one, without dante riding on top playing guiter on his axe but a DREADNOUGHT RIDING ON TOP PLAYING GUITAR ON IT'S LASCANNON!!!
Hurricane bolters, AC, a front ramp, 2 side ramps, all that's missing is wings and a MM...

plastictrees wrote:How are you interpreting it's troop compartment as being smaller than a Landraiders? You know the LR doesn't have troops huddled inside it's tracks right?

You could fit the troop compartment, which includes the turret/vent forward, all the way to the cockpit. This is holding all the ammunition, all the controls, and 12 space marines WITH JUMPPACKS.

The fact you could fit that section in the footprint of the landraiders troop hold and STILL have room for marines is what makes this so wrong.

You are complaining about scale. From a GW kit. Really.

Actually, models with jump packs count as two models because they are bulky. Says so in the Vampire Marine codex.

Still not seeing the shocking truth behind the SR/LR comparison pic. The SR hull looks to be within a quarter inch of the LR hull in length and definitely appears to be wider.
At least the pilot of the SR is fully accounted for. The LR commander apparently stands on the shoulders of the troops he's carrying.

fair point...I'd love to see a demotivational of that...wouldn't it make more sense to use the vision ports/cameras mounted on it, or at least a periscope?

Just Dave wrote:Game Play =/= Background.

Which remains a huge failing of 40K...

plastictrees wrote:Still not seeing the shocking truth behind the SR/LR comparison pic. The SR hull looks to be within a quarter inch of the LR hull in length and definitely appears to be wider.
At least the pilot of the SR is fully accounted for. The LR commander apparently stands on the shoulders of the troops he's carrying.

On a land raider the crew sits in seats elevated above those being transported, the fact the models don't show that and pictures do is mostly a matter of details being left off the land raider.

Having seen the model in person, it is too small; the troop compartment especially. That section should be at least, at a minimum, an inch to and inch and a half longer. The model should also show in some way how it carries a dreadnought, which it doesn't. I think the model really should have been just a smaller thunderhawk and people would have more strongly appreciated it.

shrike wrote:It'll be in about 3 months, so don't hold your breath...

So in 3 months, not only do I expect your rappeling lines, but your chuck norris, and uber rhino

saw the bitz in the store, it doesn't look as bad as the pictures, the pilot's head is very cool.


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it is def wayyy too small to hold marines and a dred..

Happygrunt wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Of course the angle and such might be off , but worth a shot :3

WTF! ITS SMALLER THEN A LANDRAIDER!?!?!

The stormraven is now the most out of scale model in production. I could see 10-12 guardsmen in a valk, but the stormraven is TINY! It is now, truly, the "Chibihawk".

EDIT* I am going from the size of the troop compartment, not the entire craft.

Hey even in the darkness of the future, traveling long distant in a compact space just means...HUGS! everyone needs hugs in times of war :p

aka_mythos wrote: The model should also show in some way how it carries a dreadnought, which it doesn't..

Yes it does, it's just pretty half-assed.

plastictrees wrote:

aka_mythos wrote: The model should also show in some way how it carries a dreadnought, which it doesn't..

Yes it does, it's just pretty half-assed.

+1, magna grapple winch in tail boom like one of those teddy grabber machines at the sea side

Calibanite Lion wrote:

plastictrees wrote:

aka_mythos wrote: The model should also show in some way how it carries a dreadnought, which it doesn't..

Yes it does, it's just pretty half-assed.

+1, magna grapple winch in tail boom like one of those teddy grabber machines at the sea side

LOL!
That sounds so last second

Calibanite Lion wrote:

plastictrees wrote:

aka_mythos wrote: The model should also show in some way how it carries a dreadnought, which it doesn't..

Yes it does, it's just pretty half-assed.

+1, magna grapple winch in tail boom like one of those teddy grabber machines at the sea side

I'm not imagining a huge one of these on the Battle Barge;



...except full of Dreads.

"Brother Liberas, move here comes the claw!"

Lol that would be so funny

Guys- If the dread-holding mechanism is non-existent/terrible, and I have the right materials, I'll make a giant claw.
also on it will be some marines on rappel lines connected to thier belts, holding on with one hand, firing one-handed with the other. This will take a lot of glue, wire and plasticard, but it'll be funny and so OTT-looking that it'll suit the OTT-ness of BA, even though I'll be painting it in RG colours. anyone got any ideas for the claw's pincers?
EDIT: If it's the right material, I'll make it so the claw is holding a dread, which I can then remove and use in-game.
If it isn't, I'll magnetise the pincers and the dread's torso. Maybe one of these:

My local store had the Stormraven(Chibihawk), and the Furioso kits for looking at, not for sale, just "demo" models, I still wouldn't know whether to run around the room with the thing going "VROOOOOOOOOOOM!" or cuddle the little thing!

Nice details though on both kit, and that includes inside passenger compartment. The box has it painted as both BA and GK, came with GK icons for the kit and confirms that the GK will have it for their own use as well.

I just hope the upcoming GK will have a plastic dread. If not, I'll kitbash the libby dread with a venerable dread. Force weapon and plasma cannon FTW!!!

shrike wrote:I just hope the upcoming GK will have a plastic dread. If not, I'll kitbash the libby dread with a venerable dread.

You don't need any more bloody plastic dreadnoughts.

We need a CSM one and a GK one. That's it.

I reckon the Dread hangs off the rear ramp with one hand, blasting away with the other one.

As the dreadnought capacity of the SR is a big point, you can be sure GKs will get one.

Yay, books with swords! I can't wait, since it is basically confirmed that the Stormraven will be in the GK codex, I guess I'll pre-order one on Wednsday so I can get the measly 10% off to bring it down to $60, then use the rest to buy more paints. Hopefully I can pack a powerful dread on the back to deploy when the codex releases...

puma713 wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:

$100 for 5 Death Company, 5 Assault Marines, a Rhino and a Tac Squad. Dunno about that.

Huh? $100 may not be cheap, but it's $32.75 cheaper than buying the contents at list price separately. If I was starting a BA army I'd be happy to see that bundle deal, quite happy.

Sure. And I could buy oranges at 1 cent each, but doesn't mean I'm going to eat them. Just because it's a good deal, doesn't mean you should buy it. If you run Tac Squads in your BA list or if you need some extra marines, then by all means, fork over the dough. They would sit on the shelves at my house. (Suppose I could make them into Assault marines without jump packs - but that would predicate the box coming with enough bolt pistols and chainswords to make 15 assault marines and 5 death company).

It's like buying groceries that you don't need because you have a coupon for them.

Cant be bothered to read 15 pages, but you probably will be able to convert these tacs into assaults with no jumppacks without a problem. There are many spare parts in the DC sprues.

LunaHound wrote:
Of course the angle and such might be off , but worth a shot :3

Thanks very much Luna.

From what I see between the StormRaven & Valkyrie:
- wings are comparable in size
- StormRaven passenger compartment is comparable in size, not Marine-scaled
- StormRaven engines are shorter, but thicker, with much heavier armor.
- StormRaven has larger secondary thrusters
- StormRaven body is shorter and wider, due to lack of pilot/copilot forward nose
- StormRaven has no extended tail boom
- StormRaven tail is deeper and heavier

In general, all StormRaven elements are squatter and broader than their Valkyrie counterparts - the "chibihawk" label is clearly valid.

As I see it, the StormRaven would require considerable rework to make this look acceptable, and that excludes the bizarre oddities of the vertical layout. I think this kit was badly-designed and rushed into production. It is pretty obvious that Jes didn't have a hand in its design.

when doing the comparison on troop capacity how about comparing actual seats, the rhino has 6 seats (3 each side) and land raider has 8 seats (4 each side) and the stormraven 8 seats (4 each side)
on that basis they are all presumably designed with standing passangers or actually its just artistic lisence just like 40k as a whole, how do you get 40 IG troops inc heavy weapons teams in and on a storm lord?

i actually think the 8 seats in the stormraven is proportional considering that just in the front 2/3rds of the craft so there is room for standing passangers in the front and rear still to go.

rather than complain about it use your power as a consumer and dont buy it.

personally i love it and have ordered 1 and will get 2 more ofter that. i can use the turrets on my razorbacks when playing razor spam and back on the raven when playing Air cav. win win in my book

i cant wait to magnetise it to death so i can get all weapon load outs.

I hope I don't have to magnetise it, and that all weapons will be removable like the leman russ ones.