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2018/06/20 00:33:15
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
Wyrmalla wrote: I'd warn that the Hobbyboss kits aren't that amazing if we're in the realms of scale WWII tanks. The details are shallow, some pieces are overly thin and I found that many of their kits have flash and mould imperfections in small holes which you're supposed to insert parts into. Though if you're using them for Warhammer detail's probably not a massive concern and most would be left off anyway.
Tamiya do an IS-2 which has an 88 that may be more suitable for a stand in as a Leman Russ, though costs a few pounds more than Hobby Boss' kits (I remember buying one of those T-34s when they were just out for £10).
You're absolutely right to be concerned about Hobby Boss' stuff, as a lot of what they have made in the past has been shoddy. The T-34 kit though, from what I have seen online, is really good for its price. Some flashing to deal with, and perhaps details aren't as amazing as perhaps a Tamiya kit, but still really great for the price.
A good kit review and build can be seen here;
If people are looking to buy 1/48 kits, especially for modern armor, I'd recommend staying away from Academy Kits. Their level of detail is pretty shoddy, and a lot of it is solid cast in places instead of adding in the parts or pieces needed. Oh and they only have rubber band tracks, which look pretty bad in comparison to actual track. You could hide the drive sprocket under some up-armouring, but it's better to avoid these altogether. Buy Tamiya instead. If tracks don't concern you, find some of the older Zhengdefu Kitech 1/48 models if you can, as they have a much better level of detail for their pieces.
2018/06/20 09:21:46
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
I've used Hobby Boss 1/48th KV tanks in the past and they are a great kit. Definitely recommend and great detail.
But you need 1/35th guns and hatches to match the 40k style.
Or turret swaps from 40k ranges.
If you want Imperial guardsmen you can use Warlords Plastic SS box and give them all STG-44's as Autoguns.
You get 30 figures so it's an entire platoon.
For heavy weapon squads Rubicon do plastic Pak 36, Pak 38 and Pak 40 kits (remember to use Tamiya Extra Thin glue) and you could swap the Gun for a GW weapon easily.
For Tanks if you're using 28mm stuff you can grab 3 plastic tanks for £40-60 from warlord or Rubicon either separate or in Warlords case in platoons of 3.
You'd need to have more suitable guns still I think.
Grab yourself eagles. Guard accessories. And other 40k bits and you'd have an army for 1/2 the price
2018/06/20 15:01:48
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
ph34r wrote: Those world war toon tanks are amazing. Definite conversion potential.
I have converted 10 of them into ork tanks. 4panzeriv, 5 kv2 and 1 king tiger. Really easy to fit 40k sized weapon on them as their weapon are already the right diameter.
So so redeemer flame canon on the kv2 and some kustom blasta on the others. The kv2 just scream 40k.
Note that the king tiger is the size of a leman russ and could be used for that too.
The ming planes are too narrow to fit even grots though.
The egg plane series on the other hand makes great mini dakjajet with grots pilot. A tad pricy unless your ok with 3 month delivery
What source did you order from?
Free time hobbies and hobbylinc. They are generally out of stock, so get on their mailing list so they warn you when they get some in. Otherwise you can use ebay but at least 6 weeks delivery... For the egg planes, youre stuck ordering from Japan... so about $70 for 8 planes with 1 week delivery. You can order from jp store through amazon, but delivery is over a month...
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2018/06/20 15:44:56
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
ValentineGames wrote: I've used Hobby Boss 1/48th KV tanks in the past and they are a great kit. Definitely recommend and great detail.
But you need 1/35th guns and hatches to match the 40k style.
Or turret swaps from 40k ranges.
If you want Imperial guardsmen you can use Warlords Plastic SS box and give them all STG-44's as Autoguns.
You get 30 figures so it's an entire platoon.
For heavy weapon squads Rubicon do plastic Pak 36, Pak 38 and Pak 40 kits (remember to use Tamiya Extra Thin glue) and you could swap the Gun for a GW weapon easily.
For Tanks if you're using 28mm stuff you can grab 3 plastic tanks for £40-60 from warlord or Rubicon either separate or in Warlords case in platoons of 3.
You'd need to have more suitable guns still I think.
Grab yourself eagles. Guard accessories. And other 40k bits and you'd have an army for 1/2 the price
I understand the desire to put guns on vehicles which are from Leman Russ tanks, so they are either easily spottable as being whichever variant you want, or look the part, but to be honest I don't really find this necessary if you're going to be using a proxy kit standing in for the Leman Russ. It works on the KV tanks, but for most everything else it just throws the dimensions out way too much. Battle Cannon's are just ridiculously proportioned, and you'd need something in 1/35 Tiger 1 scale to even get it looking somewhat right. If you tried it on the T-34/85, it would just look silly.
Instead, just use the guns which come with the tank itself. It's not too hard to show which one is which. For Panzer III's and IV's (which are also good Leman Russ stand-in's at 1/35 scale), the Battle Cannon would be the regular mid-length gun it comes with, a Demolisher or Conqueror could be the German assault gun (as also seen on some Stug's), and for the rest you could source a bunch of different styles of gun barrels from places like RBmodel.com, picking and choosing which one you like to be the representation of the type you're after. I will concede that the hatches will need to be larger unless you're already using 1/35 scale tanks. However if you are proxying tanks, you might be more than likely also proxying infantry also, which can be more reasonably sized.
I'd probably stay away from Warlord's tanks, as they're closer to 1/56th than 1/48, and also because you're already spoiled for choice from all the suppliers on offer. STG-44's would be a good gun choice though, and Warlord's guns are larger than 1/48, but not hideously chunky. Not a fan of their infantry though, they look a bit badly proportioned for my liking. However, each to their own. But yeah, any or all of these are good choices which would save you quite a lot of money.
If I paid full retail plus shipping for the 1/48 JGSDF Type 10 from Tamiya (about $30 and change), I am paying $53 less than a Leman Russ from GW per tank from my local GW store. That's huge. And considering I can also pick up Merkava IID's at around $40 incl. shipping which have almost identical dimensions to a Macharius, or M61A5's which are easy stand-in's for Baneblades or Fellblades, it all adds up really quickly. I have a ton of Mantic Corporation miniatures I haven't done anything with, and as the new Mantic GCPS miniatures come with sets for both heavy and light rifle variants, I could get a bunch of dudes ready for the gaming table at a heck of a lot less than what it costs for anything comparative from GW. We're spoiled for choice in our options, so I don't necessarily see any need to stick GW's oversized weapons on any proxy vehicle so long as you have a reasonable alternative which is easily able to be discerned when playing on the tabletop.
2018/06/20 18:00:24
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
True, but this thread is about replacing 40k vehicles with historical kits for use in games, so ideally what we're looking for is what suits this purpose best. A few modifications here and there like shaping the turrets differently using plasticard or adding in extra armour is a good way to go. If you want to add 40k vehicle weapons to these kits that's fine, but I don't think it's completely necessary.
2018/06/21 06:15:27
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
That's why I didn't say it was.
But you've got to fit the cartoon network style of 40k.
Guns too big for the tanks.
My suggestion was.
1/56th use 1/48th guns
1/48th use 1/35th guns
1/35th use 40k guns.
2018/06/25 07:18:04
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
To add my experience, I'm using Tamiya 1/48 PzKpfw V Panthers as my Leman Russes. Dimensions are fitting almost right, as the tank is almost an inch longer, but on the other hand about the same length lower. But the main issue I had with it was the Leman Russ cannons (I use just the hull, turrets are GW), which are ridiculous, so I bought some plastic tubes (d=8, 6.5, 5) and made my own guns. They are still massive when compared to original guns, but much better looking. (I used the original KwK 42 as an autocannon barrel)
It also helps with 40king the models. Seeing a regular historical tank rolling next to Guardsmen or other Guard vehicles looks weird and it breaks the immersion IMHO)
On the other hand, weapons like heavy stubbers or heavy bolters are not that bad looking, even on 1/48 historical kit.
Very true. It's why I had to tube my Centurion guns.
Mind you I now have a very nice 1/35th 105mm gun to slap into a 1/48th KV-2 eventually to make a Vanquisher
2018/06/25 10:09:39
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
A gallery post turned me on to a Russian company called AVD Models, lots of cold war era Russia trucks and vehicles that I think would be perfect for 40k
A WW2 era Soviet armoured train. If you remove the wheels and fair over the bottom hull, it could be easily be a Space Gothic anti-grav tank, or you could sling it under a zeppelin for a menacing gondola.
It's a bit pricey, though.
Out of interest, now that GW are concentrating so much of formularizing 40K kits, does anyone actually build non-GW kits for the game?
A WW2 era Soviet armoured train. If you remove the wheels and fair over the bottom hull, it could be easily be a Space Gothic anti-grav tank, or you could sling it under a zeppelin for a menacing gondola.
It's a bit pricey, though.
Out of interest, now that GW are concentrating so much of formularizing 40K kits, does anyone actually build non-GW kits for the game?
Definately, built a non-GW Ork truck recently from a model car kit, for example, as well as a bunch of DreamForge models for Scions and a Knight.
It never ends well
2018/09/07 15:57:12
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
I use a lot of WWI Mk V tanks as Land Raiders. I have 6 of them. Not only do I like the look, it's about half the price even after rounding up bits.
I use DreamForge parts to kitbash Scions and Knights. I also use the Shadowkesh infantry from the Kickstarter as Dark Eldar Bodyguards.
My Squigoths are kitbashed from an old VOID miniature from 20 years ago. I also use a certain VOID miniature as Catachan Snipers, they fit in so well you can barely tell.
Deathwatch frag cannons? Collecting 16 of them would cost a fortune if done with GW parts. I used Anvil industry parts.
2018/09/19 12:06:29
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
Being it's from Japan, they've sexed up a piece of agricultural equipment with a cute farm girl model you can build with her top off showing her sports bra.
Typical.
All that being said, I could see the machinery itself being converted into some kind of Orky Deff Chariot. 1/20 scale is a lot bigger than 40K so it's going to be man height on the table top.
Swap the rotovator blades to the front, and have it dragging a crew of Grots on a sled, something like that.
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2018/10/04 03:23:40
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
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