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The commentator was really obviously in favor of the other player. I didn't see anything wrong the SW player.

There were some things misplayed in the game, and it's very easy to hyper analyze every little mistake when you're watching from afar. That said, I had the assault explained to me while the players were mic'd up after the chat exploded and it seemed kosher to me. He was out of coherency only after the initial unit that allowed the string out was dead and was forced to pile in two separate directions. All legit.

Continuing to rant/troll in the chat after both two judges and me(also a judge but besides the point) explain and ask people to back down is why folks got a little time out. After the incident had passed, things returned to normal.

Im glad to hear people are enjoying the stream. Please remember that our audience is varied in age and experience, so temper you're outrage appropriately. People make mistakes. We volunteer judges will correct as we are able. Let's all just enjoy playing some toy soldiers.

Actually I was the viewer who was first censored and then ban from the chat.

Let me explain, a massive rule was broken which tilted the game in one players favor early on, it fell under the coherency of said unit in combat, something Deshkar already pointed out in this thread. Several viewers from the chat stream simply pointed out the error and agreed that his opponent should have picked up on it and that it was a shame there wasn't active judging in the top16 games. Nobody accused the wolfstar player of cheating, and everyone was in consensus that what had happened happened. The chat just wanted the error to be recognized and pointed out before the player moved onto any further games.

The commentator then tried to argue that both players had the rules right, and even suggested that they would not have made it that far or done so well unless they knew the rules better then the chat. Instead of acknowledging that mistakes happen and moving on he decided to start flaming the chat by saying we were calling the guy a cheater, something that didn't happen.

I said multiple times that the rules mistake was something that always happened and "is what it is" but that an error should be noted so it doesn't continue. The commentator started accusing us of calling him a cheater so I told him he was off base and that calling out an error is not the same thing as accusing someone of cheating.

He then started to make fun of the chat with the players and even suggested we were all trolls and didn't know what we were talking about. I pointed out the inappropriate nature of making fun of your viewers especially when they should be growing our dwindling community.

I was censored and then ban for 10 minutes from the chat, several others were pissed and left before I disconnected.

I wasn't really offended and I am still not.But the commentators were the ones that got carried away and started accusing people of trolling unjustly IMHO.

It's a live stream, nobody expects games to be mistake free and when they are pointed and discussed the commentators shouldn't insult the fething chat members.

Lots of people were calling him a cheater. The term "mugging" was even thrown around. So let's get a few facts straight. Further, I did not say everyone was a troll or make fun of anyone. I said that one specific person was.

Lastly, if you don't like stream and are clearly still offended, let's talk about it in private instead of mucking up Mikes thread with this nonsense.

#blamechip2015

chipstar1 wrote:
Lots of people were calling him a cheater. The term "mugging" was even thrown around. So let's get a few facts straight. Further, I did not say everyone was a troll or make fun of anyone. I said that one specific person was.

Lastly, if you don't like stream and are clearly still offended, let's talk about it in private instead of mucking up Mikes thread with this nonsense.

#blamechip2015

You need to cool your jets. I even stated I wasn't offended and I NEVER called any player a cheater or said anyone was mugged yet I was censored and mute by administrators, so I left because I didn't want to be apart of a process so capricious. Anything that occurred after that I wasn't privy to. Further, I never said you were the one running their mouth, it was a gentleman with a heavy accent that was flaming the chat, that is a fact, apologies for not knowing his name but he very much did in fact slam the chat. Valid points made by many in a civil manor up until that point.

Any administrative action you may have needed to take after I am not aware of, and very well may have been just. I only made my point on here because others decided to bring the topic up.

Any further discussion in here will be up to you as I am not going to private as long as you continue to address me personally and lump me in with any misconduct. Again, not offended in the slightest, I just refuse to be misrepresented here on dakka where you lack the authority to silence me.

Nova's been awesome. I don't know what you guys are talking about. I saw what happened in person and the moves were done right.

A bunch of the con staff just totally owned Hit Me Baby One More Time with 2 guitars, a uke, and a lot of enthusiastic attendee vocals up in the charity bar. There were more people singing along than impacted by this torrent chat. Less than one of six attendees even play 40k.

I was enjoying the stream until the commentator started acting childish and throwing around admin power like he was a kid. I tuned back in for the last game streamed only to hear again how childish he was with his tank shock comments etc.

Don't try and hide behind a wall saying the "internet" is saying this or that. 40k is quite a tight community and you're not just referencing someone you may never meet or interact with again. Be professional and unbiased if you're going to label yourself in you words a "judge as well".

The lists on stream, are they saved anywhere, its all good saying they are posted up in the chat/commentary. But looking at past broadcasts, its hard to follow

Is there a link anywhere?

I was playing the thunderstar that had the legal or illegal pile in. 1.) that's how I believed the rule worked, as Mike played it. 2.) it was only Fenrisian wolves in that middle, they never swung, and it didn't matter. I find it amusing how riled up people got about it.

 FTGTEvan wrote:
I was playing the thunderstar that had the legal or illegal pile in. 1.) that's how I believed the rule worked, as Mike played it. 2.) it was only Fenrisian wolves in that middle, they never swung, and it didn't matter. I find it amusing how riled up people got about it.

Actually people were not riled up about it to nearly the degree you would get the impression of, which is the issue. The commentator was blowing it out of proportion to you and insulting the chat who were discussing the rules and tactics involved in the situation, something that is perfectly legitimate. He also continued to accuse the chat of labeling you a cheater when we weren't and in fact I was censored and ban when I told him there is a big distinction between discussing a rules mistake and calling someone a cheater and that you definitely should be given the benefit of the doubt, but that the mistake should be remedied between games so you wouldn't continue making it unknowingly.

I don't want to get into the minutia of your game and any mistake here, but I feel like you deserve a better explanation.

NOVA is awesome, that's why we tuned in, Commentators in the stream are awful, unprofessional and a horrible representation for the event however frequently joking and making inappropriate remarks about players they know during the games and talking over key parts of the game and abusing the admin status.

TLDR- Get some better moderators

Did my best boys. First Nova or gt with 100 plus people. Tried to represent without the cookie cutter, no faty, no screamers, no drones. Thanks for the games and thanks to the staff. Had a blast.
Todd S.

that hit and run blocking move from nick was the best single play I have ever seen in a game was beautiful.

shame he couldn't get the win taking the bunker cost him the game.

What did Aaron do wrong rules wise this time?

Edit: to clarify this was meant in Jest.

So who won ?

Aaron won both the Invitational and the Open. He beat Pajamapants to win the Invitational and Brett "Tomb King"'to win the Open.

Awesome !!!

I'm still not sure about the fate weaver tank shock issue. Probably because of fisheye camera I couldn't really tell what all was over there. It just seems like you would need a pretty massive dogpile of guys around AND behind the rhino to manage to crunch a 1 model unit. (Granted he dog'd and failed to stop the rhino, but he only did that after it was ruled that fatey would be crushed regardless.)

And from what I understand about the hnr, they would have let Aaron hnr, allowing the nearly trapped wolf guy to "leave" the 1" bubble of the unengaged enemy next to him, but the wolf guy was too fat to fit in between the next two enemy models, and thus couldn't get an inch away from the engaged unit.

Tank shock will become a thing as SM players realize the value of it with all their free rhinos and razorbacks.

Has Aaron's list been posted anywhere? I would like to have a look at it!

 Bahkara wrote:
Tank shock will become a thing as SM players realize the value of it with all their free rhinos and razorbacks.

Heh, I'm ahead of the curve. I used it to wipe out a ravenwing command squad with a razorback at a GT in july.


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Dorksim wrote:
Has Aaron's list been posted anywhere? I would like to have a look at it!

From the pic I got:

Sammael
Chap on bike
Rw command squad w/ champ and apothecary
5 scouts
5 tacticals in rhino
1 wolf guard battle leader on thunderwolf. Shield fist wulfen stone and 1 wolf
3x iron priest on thunderwolf with thunder hammer
5 blood claws in rhino with flamer
5 grey hunters in rhino with flamer
Librarius conclave of 4 libbies all on bikes.

 niv-mizzet wrote:

 Bahkara wrote:
Tank shock will become a thing as SM players realize the value of it with all their free rhinos and razorbacks.

Heh, I'm ahead of the curve. I used it to wipe out a ravenwing command squad with a razorback at a GT in july.


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Dorksim wrote:
Has Aaron's list been posted anywhere? I would like to have a look at it!

From the pic I got:

Sammael
Chap on bike
Rw command squad w/ champ and apothecary
5 scouts
5 tacticals in rhino
1 wolf guard battle leader on thunderwolf. Shield fist wulfen stone and 1 wolf
3x iron priest on thunderwolf with thunder hammer
5 blood claws in rhino with flamer
5 grey hunters in rhino with flamer
Librarius conclave of 4 libbies all on bikes.

Do you know what Brett "Tomb King"'s list looked like as well by any chance?

Thx

I made a thread about it in ymdc but I think they made the wrong call on the fate weaver tank shock issue.

It would be a real shame if nick lost because he was not enough of a rules lawyer.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/663015.page

Ejderhare wrote:


Do you know what Brett "Tomb King"'s list looked like as well by any chance?

Tomb King has a topic on battle reports, you can find the list there.

So, can we get a top 5 with player name/army please?

app.torrentoffire.com has all said info


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Aaron Aleong, da/sw
Brett Perkins, tau/eldar
Zach Pawlikowski, seer council eldar
Sascha Edelkraut, gladius
Horton Doughton, Khorne demonkin and csm Khorne bikers

Sascha also won Best Overall

A+ event all around. Had an absolute blast, and looking forward to adding to my team and coming to claim the tabletop Olympics trophy next year.

So no Necron lists in top 5-10? dosen't seem like they are doing too well after the initial the sky's are falling rage.. how sad =(

Well, take into account that there are 2 Necrons in the top bracket, and your top 10 depends on how you look at it. Ben ended 8th, I finished at 14, after dropping rounds 7 and 8. The overall rankings (which I haven't seen yet) are done, I believe by looking at just rounds 1-6.

 FTGTEvan wrote:
Well, take into account that there are 2 Necrons in the top bracket, and your top 10 depends on how you look at it. Ben ended 8th, I finished at 14, after dropping rounds 7 and 8. The overall rankings (which I haven't seen yet) are done, I believe by looking at just rounds 1-6.

Yup I dropped after day 2 I could have maybe fought my way into the top 10 but was too tired at that point (had 9 games in 3 days) so I dropped to 15th. I was the number 1 seed overall after round 4 with tyranids