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I've seen more people complaining about people complaining then people actually complaining about the casting. It seems like it may be a situation where a very small handful of idiots whined but where then given a megaphone by having one hundred times that number repeat/repost their minority opinion.

Seems like in Canada it will be on TV so I'm happy about that. Seems like they've divided up the world into three regions for the show: The US, Canada and The Rest of The Planet. Rest of Planet gets it on Netflix which I wanted but if its on cable TV here then that's cool by me.

 Ahtman wrote:
I've seen more people complaining about people complaining then people actually complaining about the casting.

I've noticed such about nearly everything these days. The number of people complaining about complaining seems to not only exceed the number of people complaining, but they complain a lot louder while they're at it.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/star-trek-discovery-begins-september-24-1796225126?rev=1497888399345&utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

After months and months of delays, and reports of behind-the-scenes craziness, Star Trek: Discovery finally boldly goes to TV screens this September. That’s the good news. The bad news is you won’t be getting all of it this year.

CBS has announced that the 15-episode first season of Discovery will now air in two split parts: the first eight episodes will run between September 24 and November 5 on streaming service CBS All Access (the premiere will also debut on CBS itself), while the back seven will hit the service beginning in January 2018. Here’s a short new teaser confirming the date, alongside another tiny new glimpse of the titular ship itself... something that was surprisingly absent from the first trailer.

No idea what's going on, or who everyone's supposed to be, but it looks interesting.
If it's on Netflix, does that mean it'll all be available in one go? I won't need to wait a week for each episode like some sort of 20th century savage?

That was horrible. I had a feeling this show was going to be a mess, and that trailer confirmed it for me. The Klingon redesign was totally unnecessary (they look less like Klingons and more like those aliens that helped Tom Hardy fight Picard in the last Next Gen movie), the action seems to take it's cues from the reboot movies, the tech on display is noticeably more advanced than what was used in the original series, despite being set a mere ten years prior to it, and we're throwing in Harry Mudd because we think the nerds like nostalgia but we can't be arsed to make the actor look anything like Harry Mudd.

On the bright side, there weren't any shots of anybody giving the half-Vulcan lady an oil massage under a blue light, so there's at least one lesson they learned from Enterprise.

Somewhat more enthused about this now.

Mostly because it's on Netflix, so I'll be able to watch it regardless.

I'll give it a shot, but my hopes are not high. Some serious Jupiter Ascending vibes on this production.

So wait, wasn't this supposed to be on some CBS streaming service or something? Did Netflix step in and be like "CBS sucks, we'll take it from here" ?

As I understand it, CBS is only launching their streaming service in the USA, for the rest of the world, it's on Netflix.

Humbug, I'd rather have it on Netflix here too :(

Wait, if this is ten years before, I thought Garth had already defeated the Klingons at Axanar?

Doesn't this fly in the face of canon already?

To the show-the Vulcan is really annoying.


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Wait, if this is ten years before, I thought Garth had already defeated the Klingons at Axanar?

Doesn't this fly in the face of canon already?

To the show-the Vulcan is really annoying.

 Necros wrote:
Humbug, I'd rather have it on Netflix here too :(

Don't worry, the show will bomb, CBS streaming will collapse, and the ruins will be available on Netflix by 2018.

 Frazzled wrote:
Wait, if this is ten years before, I thought Garth had already defeated the Klingons at Axanar?

The exact date of the Axanar is ambiguous in official cannon. The entire event is literally just a name drop in a single episode and given no real explanation except that it was important and Garth of Izar won it before going bonkers. It was never even stated in TOS who the battle was against.

The details of Axanar were expanded in a table top game (or something) that was never part of the main cannon (and it is on this that the proposed fan film is based).

 Frazzled wrote:
Wait, if this is ten years before, I thought Garth had already defeated the Klingons at Axanar?

Doesn't this fly in the face of canon already?

To the show-the Vulcan is really annoying.


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Wait, if this is ten years before, I thought Garth had already defeated the Klingons at Axanar?

Doesn't this fly in the face of canon already?

To the show-the Vulcan is really annoying.

You can't expect the writers, producers, or any other paid professionals attached to the project to care about such trifling details. I mean, jeez, you're the kind of hardcore fan who will probably complain when the four-nostriled Klingons pull out their lightsabers. Don't you know a Star Trek show can't appeal to an audience unless you take the Star Trek out of it?

 LordofHats wrote:
The entire event is literally just a name drop in a single episode and given no real explanation

That sounds exactly like the kind of thing that fanatics would latch on to as if it were holy writ and pretend an absolute understanding of it and mock those who don't take it the same way.

Except Enterprise had Klingons and the Lensflare Universe had Klingons. A niggling point I guess compared to how utterly fugly they look.

They should have just set the show post nemesis, or made it into an entire reboot. Cause as it is it doesn't align well at all with the existing prime universe material. I'm not very convinced by most of the cast either...not sure these people will become lovable characters like those of old. Then again if it doesn't make it past one season they won't ever get a chance to develop anyways.

The show seems to be keeping to the spirit of Star Trek, so if I had Netflix is probably watch it, albeit with some occasional head shaking over daft choices.

But as I don't have Netflix, it's not convincing new to get it. Maybe if I get one of those free month offers again I'll binge it, iron first and defenders all together

 Thargrim wrote:
They should have just set the show post nemesis, or made it into an entire reboot. Cause as it is it doesn't align well at all with the existing prime universe material. I'm not very convinced by most of the cast either...not sure these people will become lovable characters like those of old. Then again if it doesn't make it past one season they won't ever get a chance to develop anyways.

Ya know, I kinda agree with this, from the standpoint that with the progression of "movie magic" technology, we have every ability to move the prime storyline forward at least a few years. . . . Hell, I wouldn't be opposed to Riker making an appearance as Captain, or even an Admiral in a series set a few years forward of where Picard left the bridge/end of TNG.

I would much prefer a hard reboot.

I don't get why the Klingons were redesigned if it's supposed to be Prime universe.

Although that wouldn't be as bad if they were at least in some way an improvement over the previous iteration.


I'm still on the fence over this one. The trailer looks cool enough. The Klingons look like butt. And it's vaguely amusing that they're only showing tiny glimpses of the titular ship... I would guess as a result of the fairly universal negative reaction to the initial teaser.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
They should have just set the show post nemesis, or made it into an entire reboot. Cause as it is it doesn't align well at all with the existing prime universe material. I'm not very convinced by most of the cast either...not sure these people will become lovable characters like those of old. Then again if it doesn't make it past one season they won't ever get a chance to develop anyways.

Ya know, I kinda agree with this, from the standpoint that with the progression of "movie magic" technology, we have every ability to move the prime storyline forward at least a few years. . . . Hell, I wouldn't be opposed to Riker making an appearance as Captain, or even an Admiral in a series set a few years forward of where Picard left the bridge/end of TNG.

Indeed, something in the future would have freed them to do whole new storylines and bad guys (like TNG with the Borg).
Personally I think the ST universe is kind of rung out.

https://www.outerplaces.com/science-fiction/item/16450-star-trek-discovery-defends-klingons-design

I like the look - it makes them look more ... well, alien. Unfoirtunately, it also makes them look like animals, not a civilisation that controls an interstellar empire and appears to be more advanced than humanity.

That's always been the problem with the conception of Klingons though hasn't it, in reality they would barely have made their way out of caves in-between bashing each other over the head, and certainly destroyed themselves long before they managed to get FTL travel and the like.

And always thought them having cloaking technology (and the likes of the Federation and Vulkans not) always a little silly, despite attempts to explain it.

For anyone that reads Starburst magazine, there was quite an interesting introspective on the changes to the design teams and production staff that Discovery has suffered through it's (now quite drawn out) creation. Including design of the aliens, made for quite harrowing reading (and I must say has lowered my expectations somewhat).

I'll still watch it when it launches in the hope that it will actually be 'Star Trek' in terms of the underlying atmosphere and conception of the show, or whether it will follow the new films and have just been turned into space battle explosion funtime. That for me will be key, rather than whether individual aliens happen to have been re-designed.

 Pacific wrote:
That's always been the problem with the conception of Klingons though hasn't it, in reality they would barely have made their way out of caves in-between bashing each other over the head, and certainly destroyed themselves long before they managed to get FTL travel and the like.

And always thought them having cloaking technology (and the likes of the Federation and Vulkans not) always a little silly, despite attempts to explain it.

For anyone that reads Starburst magazine, there was quite an interesting introspective on the changes to the design teams and production staff that Discovery has suffered through it's (now quite drawn out) creation. Including design of the aliens, made for quite harrowing reading (and I must say has lowered my expectations somewhat).

I'll still watch it when it launches in the hope that it will actually be 'Star Trek' in terms of the underlying atmosphere and conception of the show, or whether it will follow the new films and have just been turned into space battle explosion funtime. That for me will be key, rather than whether individual aliens happen to have been re-designed.

Well they didn't turn into Warring Period SPazz Samurai until TNG, which seemed to put them on this track that has accelerated. Both the STOS (and its movies) and the Altverse movies had Klingons more as cold war empire dudes who were very good at killing other races.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
That's always been the problem with the conception of Klingons though hasn't it, in reality they would barely have made their way out of caves in-between bashing each other over the head, and certainly destroyed themselves long before they managed to get FTL travel and the like.

And always thought them having cloaking technology (and the likes of the Federation and Vulkans not) always a little silly, despite attempts to explain it.

For anyone that reads Starburst magazine, there was quite an interesting introspective on the changes to the design teams and production staff that Discovery has suffered through it's (now quite drawn out) creation. Including design of the aliens, made for quite harrowing reading (and I must say has lowered my expectations somewhat).

I'll still watch it when it launches in the hope that it will actually be 'Star Trek' in terms of the underlying atmosphere and conception of the show, or whether it will follow the new films and have just been turned into space battle explosion funtime. That for me will be key, rather than whether individual aliens happen to have been re-designed.

Well they didn't turn into Warring Period SPazz Samurai until TNG, which seemed to put them on this track that has accelerated. Both the STOS (and its movies) and the Altverse movies had Klingons more as cold war empire dudes who were very good at killing other races.

I always saw the TNG Klingons as more of a space Vikings thing. . . they are good at fighting. They love fighting. . .but then you have this other side where they eat/party like "warriors", and they have a not-quite fatalistic view where they want to die in battle. Other than the whole honor/dishonor concept, they are missing most other Samurai themes, IMHO.

Haven't they addressed quite often that TNG era onwards was the "decline of the Klingon Empire?"

EG I remember conversations with a Klingon lawyer and Worf along the lines of, "we used to be respected amongst the galaxy as warriors, yes, of course, but more, as poets, as historians, as scholars. A lawyer is an honourable life, a farmer is an honourable life, a scientist is an honourable life, not just at war, but enhancing the glory of the Klingon Empire but all people care for now is a glorious death in battle."