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just FYI they do not mix well with SBG as GW's Middle-earth minis are significantly closer to realistic proportions. For example, the Oathmark dwarf heads are about 200% the volume of a LOTR dwarf head (which still makes them smaller than a Warhammer dwarf head). If you think of them as being a more-proportionate Warhammer 6th edition style, you are on the mark.


http://therenaissancetroll.blogspot.com/2017/10/oathmark-dwarf-size-comparison.html

Oathmark are sculpted as 28mm to eye for humans (27mm for elves)I. Chaosbunker has a nice review but for some reason didn't actually place the models so the bottom of the feet start at zero (they start somewhere around the -3mm mark).

https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2018/07/10/review-oathmark-elf-infantry/

The Oathmark fantasy miniatures fit with WHFB Oldhammer figures pretty well. Here is a comparison pick snapped quickly:

Left to right: Frostgrave Soldier, Dark Elf Spear, LOTR Numenor, Perry War of the Roses, LOTR Dwarf, Oathmark Heavy Armor Dwarf, Oathmark Elf, Empire Spear, Crom the Conquerer.

I tried to get them even at the foot level.

Let me know if you want any other comparisons, I might have the minis lying around.

Edit: Oops, you were asking about Frostgrave - added to comparison

Thanks for size comparison!

Northstar says the dragon will be a resin model.

What did they do, hold it over an open flame or something?

Some weird choices regarding texture on that model.

Hope that's a WIP, but if that's true, it looks pretty cool to me!

 pancakeonions wrote:
Hope that's a WIP, but if that's true, it looks pretty cool to me!

It's not a WIP. There's pictures of the dragon painted in the rulebook and Osprey also showed pictures of it on their blog.

https://ospreypublishing.com/blog/oathmark_strange_and_catastrophic/


https://ospreypublishing.com/blog/cat/osprey-games/post/oathmark_characters_monsters/

Why did they paint his scales like they were CGI-blended into his smoother areas?

Hmm... Yep. Just saw those shots. Shame. It's a really cool dragon that looks like it's just not quite finished yet.

It's so clunky and patched together from mismatched parts, I'd swear Trish Carden was back at mini sculpting.

Curious where all those cloaks came from on the dwarfs. The plastic bodies aren't wearing them

Are those the command unit?

Everything else looks like parts from the plastic infantry.

Dragon doesn't do much for me sadly.

I notice the link to the first painted pic is titled 'strange and catastrophic'.

I feel a bit more sympathetic because I think I can see what they were trying for: a crocodile morphed into into a dragon.



There's the big jaw muscle, the rows of keeled scutes on the back (either that or baby Godzilla fins), the rounder scales on the sides, the flat feet and arragement of toes... but all of these bits and others seem to be crudely exaggerated (including the old, old fantasy miniature trope that round scales = completely random polygons) and don't mesh together. The mystery sculptor just seems out of their depth.

I'll say that the tongue is nicely painted and the photography setup is pretty lush. The dwarfs look good despite having Sainsbury's beef sausages for lips.

I love the "matte painting" backdrop of the battle scene. Reminds me of an old film Epic.

NorthStar revealed these new Elf characters on their twitter.

They look pretty good, although I’m honestly surprised they aren’t just made from the plastic kit.

Okay, I do have to comment on the kneeling guy: his face, everybody. What happened to his face?

They look pretty nifty. One or two of them might get conscripted as Ulthuan scouts despite any scale issues.

I see Kev Dallimore still has a crippling mental block putting paintbrushes near upper lips.

his face, everybody. What happened to his face?

Ahem see above

Are they supposed to have cat faces? Or is that a problem with the paint job?

Never has there ever been an elf so very clever as the mysterious Master Mistgofinil..?

I’ll be nabbing the lot.

Upcoming supplements for Oathmark

Battlesworn — Aug 18

A supplement for Oathmark: Battles of the Lost Age, giving players rules for creating elite units of warriors known as battlesworn and charting their progress from battle-to-battle.

In the horror and chaos of battle, the outcome can often hang on the briefest of moments. It is at these times that the actions of one unit can make the difference between victory and defeat. Wise kings know this, and realize that it is often prudent to hold their best units back until they can make the greatest difference. These elite units, called the "battlesworn," are more than just powerful combatants, they are symbols of the glory and honor of a kingdom. All young warriors hope to one-day join their ranks and add their oathmarks beside those legendary fighters.

This supplement for Oathmark: Battles of the Lost Age, contains rules for adding elite units to your armies and charting the progress of those units from battle-to-battle. Will they grow even more powerful as they gain renown, or will they die to the last man in heroic defense, perhaps someday to rise again in time of the kingdom's greatest need? Also included is a campaign, featuring all-new scenarios, that will give your battlesworn the chance to lead their kingdom to new heights of power and prestige.

Oathbreakers — Nov 24

The second supplement for Oathmark: Battles of the Lost Age, bringing rules for undead forces, character development, and a completely new campaign for players to experience.

Dark necromancers have laid claim to forsaken kingdoms and summoned forth the souls of those who defiled their oathmarks. The dead, once again, march to war. As armies of wraiths and skeletal warriors bring destruction to their lands, the small kingdoms of the Marches also turn to the spirits of the dead. Gathering the most ancient and powerful of oathmarks, they recall the spectral forms of those that died in loyal battle to once again come forth in defence of their kingdoms. With these ethereal warriors joining their ranks, the kings of the Marches may yet stand.

This supplement for Oathmark: Battles of the Lost Age introduces the forces of the dead to the game. Some armies will use dark magic to summon the souls and corpses of traitors from the past, while others will recall the spirits of loyal warriors that gave their lives and willingly fight again. This book also includes expanded rules for characters, which allow you to chart their progress from battle-to-battle, and watch as they grow in rank, responsibility, and power. All of these rules are then incorporated into a campaign featuring new scenarios that together tell of an epic war for survival.

IMO they should first realese the Oathbreakers. I think more people (including myself) are interesting in fielding undead army/allies rather than with rules for special units that will probably be only useful in campaigns.

 Manchu wrote:
Upcoming supplements for Oathmark

Spoiler:

Battlesworn — Aug 18

A supplement for Oathmark: Battles of the Lost Age, giving players rules for creating elite units of warriors known as battlesworn and charting their progress from battle-to-battle.

In the horror and chaos of battle, the outcome can often hang on the briefest of moments. It is at these times that the actions of one unit can make the difference between victory and defeat. Wise kings know this, and realize that it is often prudent to hold their best units back until they can make the greatest difference. These elite units, called the "battlesworn," are more than just powerful combatants, they are symbols of the glory and honor of a kingdom. All young warriors hope to one-day join their ranks and add their oathmarks beside those legendary fighters.

This supplement for Oathmark: Battles of the Lost Age, contains rules for adding elite units to your armies and charting the progress of those units from battle-to-battle. Will they grow even more powerful as they gain renown, or will they die to the last man in heroic defense, perhaps someday to rise again in time of the kingdom's greatest need? Also included is a campaign, featuring all-new scenarios, that will give your battlesworn the chance to lead their kingdom to new heights of power and prestige.

Oathbreakers — Nov 24

The second supplement for Oathmark: Battles of the Lost Age, bringing rules for undead forces, character development, and a completely new campaign for players to experience.

Dark necromancers have laid claim to forsaken kingdoms and summoned forth the souls of those who defiled their oathmarks. The dead, once again, march to war. As armies of wraiths and skeletal warriors bring destruction to their lands, the small kingdoms of the Marches also turn to the spirits of the dead. Gathering the most ancient and powerful of oathmarks, they recall the spectral forms of those that died in loyal battle to once again come forth in defence of their kingdoms. With these ethereal warriors joining their ranks, the kings of the Marches may yet stand.

This supplement for Oathmark: Battles of the Lost Age introduces the forces of the dead to the game. Some armies will use dark magic to summon the souls and corpses of traitors from the past, while others will recall the spirits of loyal warriors that gave their lives and willingly fight again. This book also includes expanded rules for characters, which allow you to chart their progress from battle-to-battle, and watch as they grow in rank, responsibility, and power. All of these rules are then incorporated into a campaign featuring new scenarios that together tell of an epic war for survival.

For the last month or so, I've been adding Oathmark to my North Star cart, then backing out before buying.
From a person who wanted to play this game, it's release and rules has become a problem before even buying it.

25mm x 25mm for everything when a vast majority of fantasy models are on 20mm bases. I'm not sure why this size was chosen. Unless it was for the AoS fantasy rounds on 25mm - but then I would assume a majority of GW players wouldn't touch something non GW anyway. That or for the 25mm Frostgrave models.

Only 4 races in the main rulebook.

As an undead player, by the time a list is put out for an army, it's half a year or more since the game's release. Not only that, but I'll be needing to carry a rulebook, and 2 supplements to a game.

I just wonder the reasons behind why we only have 4 races in the main rules when other rules like Warlords of Erehwon and Kings of War can have many many more - I know those rulebooks are big, but the army pages only take up half a dozen (or less) for each army. I understand the argument that those 4 may be the only races in the Oathmark world, yet here we are getting 2 supplements already, and adding one new army in.

So this is trying to ape GW in nickel and diming us for playable content then? The first book is literally Kill Team: Elites?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

For the last month or so, I've been adding Oathmark to my North Star cart, then backing out before buying.
From a person who wanted to play this game, it's release and rules has become a problem before even buying it.

25mm x 25mm for everything when a vast majority of fantasy models are on 20mm bases. I'm not sure why this size was chosen. Unless it was for the AoS fantasy rounds on 25mm - but then I would assume a majority of GW players wouldn't touch something non GW anyway. That or for the 25mm Frostgrave models.

Only 4 races in the main rulebook.

As an undead player, by the time a list is put out for an army, it's half a year or more since the game's release. Not only that, but I'll be needing to carry a rulebook, and 2 supplements to a game.

I just wonder the reasons behind why we only have 4 races in the main rules when other rules like Warlords of Erehwon and Kings of War can have many many more - I know those rulebooks are big, but the army pages only take up half a dozen (or less) for each army. I understand the argument that those 4 may be the only races in the Oathmark world, yet here we are getting 2 supplements alread, andy adding one new army in.

They've acknowledge base sizes here: https://ospreypublishing.com/blog/oathmark_what_you_need/

All units can be a maximum of 5 wide and 4 deep for a total of 20 models. So, as long as you make the movement tray big enough to meet a 125mm frontage, it won't cause a problem with the rules.

As for the rest, the Oathmark book is about the same size (width and length) as the frostgrave book with more pages so I suspect the supplements will probably be the same. The Warlords book is way bigger and substantially thicker (see below). I can't comment on Undead or why they didn't add them to the initial release but it's probably due to time and the desire to at least get the product out.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So this is trying to ape GW in nickel and diming us for playable content then? The first book is literally Kill Team: Elites?

Yeah, no. If they would there would be all sorts of instructions on how you must, must use official Oathmark models from Northstar. This more akin to how they've handled Frostgrave - optional expansions.

 zedmeister wrote:

Yeah, no. If they would there would be all sorts of instructions on how you must, must use official Oathmark models from Northstar. This more akin to how they've handled Frostgrave - optional expansions.

Yeah, no.

A book for fielding elites and tracking their campaign growth.
A book for a fifth race that everybody can field, and for tracking character campaign growth.

This sounds like one game being sold piecemeal, not a complete game with optional addons.

Expansion 3: Warmachines and their campaign growth?

 lord_blackfang wrote:


A book for fielding elites and tracking their campaign growth.
A book for a fifth race that everybody can field, and for tracking character campaign growth.

This sounds like one game being sold piecemeal, not a complete game with optional addons.

Expansion 3: Warmachines and their campaign growth?

Again, not seeing it. This isn't like a codex release cycle but then again I suppose it isn't like Warlords "fire and forget" model either.

The book is complete in that you can play with the 4 races until the cows come home. So, I think we can expect additional books in future probably to cover additional fantasy races like Gnolls, Lizards, etc but not at a pace or with the requirements of GW. Plus, you're not tied into their models either.

I'm tempted to pick up the rule book (if only to add to my list of games that never get played), but would rather have all the rules in one book. I am still annoyed that Mantic released 3rd edition with a hefty tomb of a book, and then released a book with additional lists, I'd have rather they did one big book with everything in there. Hopefully Oathmark does do a big book later on, not a fan of having to buy several books to play one game.

Anyway, those Light Elf metal characters are lovely. When I get around to collecting Elves, I'll most certainly be picking up some of them.

With Kings of War isn't it that the main rulebook has all the armies they actually sell, and the other book has all the WFB armies they don't do models for? I think that's a pretty reasonable way to split them.

I'm not worried by the way Oathmark is releasing. I've been very happy with everything I've got for Frostgrave and RoSD, so I'm happy to get multiple books.

pgmason wrote:
With Kings of War isn't it that the main rulebook has all the armies they actually sell, and the other book has all the WFB armies they don't do models for? I think that's a pretty reasonable way to split them.

I'm not worried by the way Oathmark is releasing. I've been very happy with everything I've got for Frostgrave and RoSD, so I'm happy to get multiple books.

Yeah, that's about right for KoW.

I've been very happy with Frostgrave too. Outside a few new soldier types (and the XP table fix in MoM) the expansions are self-contained storylines. You're not missing out on half the game without them. From what we've seen, Oathmark is more like Necromunda than Frostgrave.