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 malfred wrote:
Did prequels make it into Xwing or Armada? (I didn't follow them)
Sorta kinda. The ARC-170, for example, is a fighter originally from the prequels but there is an X-Wing model for it ... but it is explicitly a Rebellion (rather than Republic) fighter, right down to FFG painting a Rebellion symbol on the wing.

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Yeah it's weird, the closest thing to Prequel content I've seen from FFG is the Maul pack for IA, but that's his appearance from Rebels.

Their license must not cover it. Disney has made no attempt to bury the Prequels, not counting cancelling The Clone Wars.
   
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I think they want to rehabilitate it.

And TBH the Clone Wars are a much more exciting conflict than anything in the Disney movies so far.

   
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 Manchu wrote:
Yeah, but remember 'only imperial storm troopers are so precise" ...


They are. If they ever did shoot the main characters, they would have never found the rebel base. That is why they kept missing all the time. To let them escape.

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 malfred wrote:
 Manchu wrote:
I highly suspect prequels stuff is largely beyond the license or license holders have been directed to keep references to the prequels to a minimum.


Did prequels make it into Xwing or Armada? (I didn't follow them)


As a faction, no. At least one ship did (the ARC-170) before I stopped following releases of X-Wing. Not sure about Armada as I never followed it.

   
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 zend wrote:
Yeah it's weird, the closest thing to Prequel content I've seen from FFG is the Maul pack for IA, but that's his appearance from Rebels.

Their license must not cover it. Disney has made no attempt to bury the Prequels, not counting cancelling The Clone Wars.
There are however prequel cards in Destiny. There's also clone war stuff, and other stuff from the prequels.. So FFG does have the rights to make such things. Maybe they just didn't like that stuff and prefer to avoid it?
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On the subject of specialty dice - it takes about 5 minutes to map out the special symbols to pips on a chart, and then a few games to memorize that; you can even do that for color-coded dice by buying colored dice.

I also will take cards over roster sheets every day. The cards generally have all the stats and don't need retyping.

However, I have to say Last Jedi killed a LOT of enthusiasm I have for Star Wars. This game has gone from a day one purchase to, "meh, I'll pick it up before it goes out of print." - After all, I still have my WotC minis and even my West End metals at this point. Heck, I guess I could even whip out my old 3.5" figures*, I guess...

* I bought 'em for my kids, and some collectability, now they're just rotting in boxes because my kids play video games instead of playing with toys...

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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 zend wrote:
Yeah it's weird, the closest thing to Prequel content I've seen from FFG is the Maul pack for IA, but that's his appearance from Rebels.

Their license must not cover it. Disney has made no attempt to bury the Prequels, not counting cancelling The Clone Wars.
There are however prequel cards in Destiny. There's also clone war stuff, and other stuff from the prequels.. So FFG does have the rights to make such things. Maybe they just didn't like that stuff and prefer to avoid it?
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Hmm, interesting. I didn't think to check their card games.

Since they do have the rights, here's hoping they decide to do some Prequel stuff for Legion. This game would easily allow for it and there's a ton of stuff they can pull from to make Republic and CIS factions unique. If they don't want to go all out and make whole factions from The Clone Wars era, they could supplement both Empire and Rebel Alliance witha few units and characters from the era.

I expect we'll see characters and units from Rebels at the least. Maybe even Rogue One.


Actually discussing the game is making me almost want to play. It'll depend on what the local scene looks like, I know there's an X-Wing group here, so if I see them with Legion stuff I might give it a shot.
   
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I believe part of the reason there's very little Prequel stuff is because the designers of X Wing don't really want to.

Destiny has a different design team, and because its a card game they also have a faster turnover rate when it comes to referenced due to the sheer amount of cards they need each release. You can't really reprint different versions of Leia, Luke, Vader and Palpatine over and over again. With X Wing only releasing 2-4 ships each wave on average they burn through ships at a lower rate.

IIRC Legions at the very least has one of the X Wing designers on its rule team, and assuming its waves follow a similar pattern of 2-4 releases after the initial one (and given they have already confirmed plans for 2 more factions by the end of next year), it is likely we won't see any prequel stuff for a while if at all.

I would really love to see Republic vs CIS though.

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Dude, we all know they will. I mean, why wouldn't you play Empire? I mean, that's kinda what I think is going to be the first problem- two people are going to show up with Vaders and boxes of Stormtroopers and just get tired of the same thing over and over again.


It doesn't seem to affect WH40k. For all the variety in factions available in that game, most people end up with dudes in power armour facing each other...

The Prequels would have been a better setting for Legion. That would have provided the background for several properly fleshed-out infantry armies, including manageable-sized vehicles. But it would never have had the instant appeal of the Original Trilogy.

I agree with the earlier comments about the models - they look like rather basic metal figures, and the lack of customisability is a turn-off for me. I question whether it will have the same level of success as X-Wing.

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I haven't seen anybody mention scale since the Youtubers started getting review copies. Couldn't find any that directly compared the minis to IA, but this is a screen grab from the Spikey Bits unboxing next to a Space Marine



and here's one of Agis' scale shots from a while back next to a similar Space Marine



Sure looks a lot closer to IA than the old shots from the pre-release resins shown at Gen-Con, they might be closer to IA than we initially believed.

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It doesn't seem to affect WH40k. For all the variety in factions available in that game, most people end up with dudes in power armour facing each other...
There's a bit of variance due to codex and availability for those in power armor rather then something that'll grant your varied stormtrooper corp different things. There's never really been Galactic Empire or First Order styled bonuses for X-wing and IA.
   
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https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/star-wars-legion/#/support-section

rules reference/learn to play booklet are now up for download on the support section of this page. Plus the article from today:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/2/26/swl-rally-the-troops/

 
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Davor wrote:
 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Davor wrote:
...As Peregrine said, we mostly spend that money on lunch...


If it's normal to send that kind of money on lunch, I see why the FLGS is populated by several 'rotund' individuals.

The idea isn't that they 'cost too much'. But hypothetically...

Go to the gaming club for some 40k, and realize I've lost my dice or left them at home or something. I go buy some more at the local gaming store- even Wal-Mart has Bicycle dice for a couple of bucks.

I go to play D&D on a whim with some friends. I left my dice across town. Well, I can swing by any gaming store- even some basic bookstores- and grab some dice.

I go to play 'Legion'. I left my dice. Unless my opponent wants to share, I've got to track down these special dice or order them.


You have made some good points, BUT the point that was brought up was price. Someone people were complaining about $5 or $10. They were not complaining what you brought up. So yeah, the person who complains about paying an extra $10 will in most cases spend that money at a burger joint or Starbucks what ever café or junk food to buy snack on.

That said, I think of the reasons I don't get into FF games now is because of the dice. It was cool at first, but now I see that as a novelty. More pita than anything else just like you explained.


"Some people" were "complaining" about $5-10, because not everyone is chauffeur-driven to the game store in their Trumpesque golden stretch limo chucking money out the window to the peasants because it means nothing to them(and yes, that's obvious hyperbole, you're not clever for pointing that out).

Every pound I have to spend on extraneous, unnecessarily money-grubbing nonsense is a pound less I have to spend on actual models. Now, if FFG were actually including a few spares in their game boxes, rather than providing the absolute bare minimum necessary for the rules to function(not function optimally even, just function) in order to drive people to buy additional, self-evidently and demonstrably overpriced add-on packs, or even if they were still doing that, but the add-on packs were reasonably priced for what you get in them(ie, lower price or more dice, I care not which), there wouldn't be a problem. But, they don't include adequate amounts of the special dice in the game box, and they do expect you to fork over an unreasonable amount for the addon packs, and the fact you'll try and turn that around and pull this "fnar fnar stop being such a cheapskate" trash because to you it's not a significant amount of money, I think that says quite a lot about you chief. Quite a lot.

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FFG are terrible about their dice. Legion is apparently no exception; not having enough to support rolls from models in the box itself. It's pretty inexcusable, but I guess it makes them money so too bad for us.
   
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Can the special dice not be converted and mapped onto a standard D6?

e.g.

White Die = White numbered D6
Blank = 1,2,3,4
Block = 5
Surge = 6

Red Die = Red numbered D6
Blank = 1,2
Block = 3,4,5
Surge = 6

Use sticky labels, charts etc for reference.


Its been a long time since I played Imperial Assault which I gather is a spiritual predecessor to Legion and I've not played Legion itself so I've probably got the SW:L dice wrong, but you get the gist.

I might do this for SAGA for the Dice sets that I lack.

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Apparently the type of plastic used for this game does not work well with plastic cement/glue (and it may not work at all tbh). It seems superglue is the way to go, same as resin figures. This kind of bummed me out cause I kind of hate using superglue across so many figures and it doesn't clean up well if you screw up. I pretty much swear by the testors blue tube.

I think the game is out in about 15 days, feels like it's been a long time since it was originally announced.

 
   
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Sara demo copy at miniaturemarkets new retail store grand opening. Figs look great, but after playing x-wing I’m all done with the table clutter of fog games.

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What is a fog game?

Damn those are some nice looking Stormtroopers. Who am I fooling, I'm not going to be able to resist at least getting the starter set to paint them up. If the game is fun & playable that will be a bonus. I'm fairly confident FFG should have taken a good crack at it in that regard.

Cheers for posting that painting guide Taarnak

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May not work with Polystryrene glue, might work with other gules for plastic.
   
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 Pacific wrote:
What is a fog game?

Damn those are some nice looking Stormtroopers. Who am I fooling, I'm not going to be able to resist at least getting the starter set to paint them up. If the game is fun & playable that will be a bonus. I'm fairly confident FFG should have taken a good crack at it in that regard.

Cheers for posting that painting guide Taarnak

it’s one of those games where autocorrect decides your not paying enough attention and it eats up your post. I now forget what I meant to type , just too many chits on the table for my tastes.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
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Hmm, up close, those STs don't have the crispness I'd like to see on something I'd buy just to have rather than as a gaming piece.
   
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 Theophony wrote:
 Pacific wrote:
What is a fog game?

Damn those are some nice looking Stormtroopers. Who am I fooling, I'm not going to be able to resist at least getting the starter set to paint them up. If the game is fun & playable that will be a bonus. I'm fairly confident FFG should have taken a good crack at it in that regard.

Cheers for posting that painting guide Taarnak

it’s one of those games where autocorrect decides your not paying enough attention and it eats up your post. I now forget what I meant to type , just too many chits on the table for my tastes.


It's OK, I get what you mean!

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Excellent discussion forum & information collection for Epic and other small scale miniatures: http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/index.php
 
   
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 Theophony wrote:
 Pacific wrote:
What is a fog game?

Damn those are some nice looking Stormtroopers. Who am I fooling, I'm not going to be able to resist at least getting the starter set to paint them up. If the game is fun & playable that will be a bonus. I'm fairly confident FFG should have taken a good crack at it in that regard.

Cheers for posting that painting guide Taarnak

it’s one of those games where autocorrect decides your not paying enough attention and it eats up your post. I now forget what I meant to type , just too many chits on the table for my tastes.


I assume you were trying to type FFG game.
   
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 Thargrim wrote:
Apparently the type of plastic used for this game does not work well with plastic cement/glue (and it may not work at all tbh). It seems superglue is the way to go, same as resin figures. This kind of bummed me out cause I kind of hate using superglue across so many figures and it doesn't clean up well if you screw up. I pretty much swear by the testors blue tube.

I think the game is out in about 15 days, feels like it's been a long time since it was originally announced.


Definately agree about the whole super glue thing it is my least favorite thing to work with. It has been a long time since it was originally announced, I thought for sure they would do like a Christmas release but here it is 3 months past that, they definately took their sweet time on something they already had basically finalized several months back.
   
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You've been working with super glue forever guys, using it is nothing new.

   
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Sorry to jump on from nowhere, but I have an odd question. Given how dakkadakka is mostly focused on 40k, I'm somewhat surprised to see SW is popular here.
Given how vastly different these 2 franchises are, I tend to find myself drawn to one and repulsed by the other. So I guess I'm just wondering why it is well enough liked by people here?
   
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 Magnian wrote:
Sorry to jump on from nowhere, but I have an odd question. Given how dakkadakka is mostly focused on 40k, I'm somewhat surprised to see SW is popular here.
Given how vastly different these 2 franchises are, I tend to find myself drawn to one and repulsed by the other. So I guess I'm just wondering why it is well enough liked by people here?


I'll give you credit that you promised an odd question and delivered. Your career in politics has been ruined by your ability to keep your word.

To attempt an answer, I'd say it's the same reason it's possible to like football and American football at the same time? It's fairly normal to be able to enjoy to different settings in the same genre as there's no requirement for exclusivity in one's preferences. Liking 40k doesn't mean I must therefore dislike Star Wars for not being 40k (or vice versa). Having read Tolkien and liking the MIddle-Earth setting doesn't mean I have to despise Game of Thrones's Westeros or Raymond E. Feist's Midkemia So forth and so on.

In my personal history both Star Wars and Warhammer were major components of my childhood. They both have their strengths and both have their flaws, but the fact that they're different means they can both have a niche because one doesn't do what the other does. I would find, and expect is fairly common, that franchises that *aren't* vastly different are the ones most likely to not be "liked enough" to have a real following in comparison.

You'd have to elaborate more on your personal preferences, though I understand not wanting to skew the conversation at the outset.
   
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Got to actually hold the miniatures and see the game in action yesterday at a preview event. They've got some mold lines on them that are a bit jarring, but ultimately they're really nice. The speed bikes and rebel walker are especially cool!

I went from "excited" to actually, legitimately cannot wait to get my hands on this.
   
 
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