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EviscerationPlague wrote:
So basically how the 5th edition Space Marine codex operated when you think about it.

Not quite as extreme as that - that was the era where playing specific factions was tied to Special Characters, otherwise you were just playing 'Counts As', and that was an awful time - but yes, you are essentially correct.

I got answers to my using Kasrkin as stormtroopers question within minutes this morning.

I have not gotten an answer to my using Catachan as regular infantry question yet.

Weird.

And no, people did not want the return of Kasrkin per say, they wanted the models to use as either Kasrkin, stormtroopers or even veterans in carapace, if that ever came back.

Literally telling me I could convert my model to look like a Kasrkin and using them as a stormtrooper but I can't save myself the time and just use Kasrkin models is asinine.

The ITC has the best rules for models, hopefully most TO's will use them and not look to GW or Adepticon.


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General Hobbs wrote:


I got answers to my using Kasrkin as stormtroopers question within minutes this morning.

I have not gotten an answer to my using Catachan as regular infantry question yet.

Weird.

And no, people did not want the return of Kasrkin per say, they wanted the models to use as either Kasrkin, stormtroopers or even veterans in carapace, if that ever came back.

Literally telling me I could convert my model to look like a Kasrkin and using them as a stormtrooper but I can't save myself the time and just use Kasrkin models is asinine.

The ITC has the best rules for models, hopefully most TO's/Events planners will use them and not look to GW or Adepticon.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
So basically how the 5th edition Space Marine codex operated when you think about it.

Not quite as extreme as that - that was the era where playing specific factions was tied to Special Characters, otherwise you were just playing 'Counts As', and that was an awful time - but yes, you are essentially correct.

So basically the best of both worlds in terms of "my Chapter Master punches dudes like Calgar so I'll just use him in my White Scars successor".

I think it can be done correctly as, while fluff was hated by a bunch of 1d4channers, 5th edition Marines was at least solid mechanically for rules (though internal balance was lacking of course).

 Miguelsan wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:


Here's hoping Forgeworld sort something out for Krieg models/officers and/or they get a regiment of renown army at some point which makes them operate a bit more like they should do.

What FW is going to do is to "legend" Krieg because now that they have an entry on the main codex there cannot be more options!

M.

With standard infantry, maybe. However there are Krieg command squads, death riders and engineers still on sale.

Additionally, the krieg infantry squads forgeworld sell so not have the same options as the veteren kit, so could be just stated to use the standard infantry, or they get a slightly different data sheet

Is then there any problem on using regular guard as cadian shock troops? Seems like the only way I have to find a use for all the spetial weapons that now I can't use anywhere

Can't be as bad a reason as that Bell of Lost Souls Article.

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Can't be as bad a reason as that Bell of Lost Souls Article.

You managed to read a BoLS article underneath the ads? What did it give as a reason?

Garrac wrote:
Is then there any problem on using regular guard as cadian shock troops? Seems like the only way I have to find a use for all the spetial weapons that now I can't use anywhere

probably not, as long as you remember it’s two specials no heavies and you’re going to have the extra “because I’m cadian” rule. The old plastics used to be sold as cadians anyway. The only issue might be if you plan to mix’n’match unit types with the same models and someone gets a bee in their bonnet about it.

 Haighus wrote:

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Can't be as bad a reason as that Bell of Lost Souls Article.

You managed to read a BoLS article underneath the ads? What did it give as a reason?

BOLS still has articles? I thought it had turned into one of those parked domain pages.

Garrac wrote:
Is then there any problem on using regular guard as cadian shock troops? Seems like the only way I have to find a use for all the spetial weapons that now I can't use anywhere

That's what I'm gonna do. Regular infantry will have a HWT so its fairly easy to differentiate between the squads anyway.
If I can be arsed to I might paint the "cadians" shoulderpads in a different color...

What are "regular guard"?

 Dawnbringer wrote:
What are "regular guard"?

Infantry squad

 Tastyfish wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
What are "regular guard"?

Infantry squad

I get in terms of codex entry, but from the conversation that people are using "regular guard" as Cadian Shock Troops, as in using other models to represent Cadian Shock Troops, but as the old Cadians are still sold as Cadian Shock troops, I'm curious what they mean by regular guard. Usually other regiments have always been what they are, Praetorian, Vostroyan, etc, and if any guard could be called regular it would have been the Cadians.

 Dawnbringer wrote:
the old Cadians are still sold as Cadian Shock troops

Oh yes, they are! And checking just now, they still have

GW wrote:Build as an Infantry Squad, Veterans, or Conscripts

I imagine it'll all change once the codex fully releases.

What I am worried about with my armies, and I can see being an issue here for Guard players, is the 9th & 10th one two gut punch.

I think you can adapt your collection to these stupid 9th ed codex limitations, swap a few models in squads for others, have these count as X while these count as Y. Snap a few arms, glue a few new ones, etc.

But, they'll do the same again with the next codex, and fixing it will be even harder. I also suspect they'll make changes in the opposite "direction".

 Haighus wrote:

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Can't be as bad a reason as that Bell of Lost Souls Article.

You managed to read a BoLS article underneath the ads? What did it give as a reason?

Pure clickbait, no reason other than 3rd party models are bad for the hobby because... copyright, but convienently the author made a mess at defining of what he considers a 3rd party model.

M.

 Miguelsan wrote:
Pure clickbait, no reason other than 3rd party models are bad for the hobby because... copyright, but convienently the author made a mess at defining of what he considers a 3rd party model.

The author probably got lost in all the ads as well. If that site's half as hard to write for as it is to read, then it makes sense.

Weird, I never have a problem with BOLS articles.....

I agree with the article though. It is one of the conundrums of the hobby though. Cheap/alternate 3rd party models vs supporting the store and GW.....what do you want to do?

I think there are many people who would be ok with GW and the FLG store going under and not having places to game at, support events, create rules etc. if they could save some money on models. They would just move on to some other hobby.

Of course there are other content creators out there. Grimdark Future is apparently a fun alternate to 40K.

But would the hobby of wargaming thrive as it is now, or be relegated to trying to find someone into it and playing in someone's basement or dining room or garage? The uniformity of GW, like McDonald's, is one of the attractive aspects of the game....the knowledge you can walk into a store or event and everyone is playing the game the same way, whereas with individuals making their own content etc you possibly lose that uniformity, and the attractiveness of events ( not to mention having the financial backing to do tournaments or game's days).

I know pre 2000 it was a lot harder... a LOT harder...to find a Dungeons and Dragons game than it is now. I'd hate to see the GW hobby go back to those days. (and when I say GW I also mean any other other big wargaming companies that are out there today. )


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I am still waiting for them to tell me that since I have to use my Kasrkin as Kasrkin only at GW events, whether I have to use my Catachans as only Catachans and not as regular Guard.....

General Hobbs wrote:
Cheap/alternate 3rd party models vs supporting the store and GW...

I like how these two seem to be the only options for some weird reason.

 AtoMaki wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:
Cheap/alternate 3rd party models vs supporting the store and GW...

I like how these two seem to be the only options for some weird reason.

How else are you going to get the right amount of clickbaitiness for your article if you don't polarize like that?

I have done a first and actually emailed the rules team over the plasma or vox option on the krieg datasheet.

I assume many people do this on a regular basis, but it is a first for me.

Have to say I really a enjoying putting together the Cadia Stands set. Just not sure that those going infantry heavy will enjoy putting together 80 to 100 of the Cadians. Did we ever reach agreement on if Cadian squads can have the same 2 special weapons in them?

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Have to say I really a enjoying putting together the Cadia Stands set. Just not sure that those going infantry heavy will enjoy putting together 80 to 100 of the Cadians. Did we ever reach agreement on if Cadian squads can have the same 2 special weapons in them?

You must have the Codex. You tell us.

No Sir, already sold off the codex. Awaiting my 2nd box for my codex but a royal mail strike has delayed that.

 alextroy wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Have to say I really a enjoying putting together the Cadia Stands set. Just not sure that those going infantry heavy will enjoy putting together 80 to 100 of the Cadians. Did we ever reach agreement on if Cadian squads can have the same 2 special weapons in them?

You must have the Codex. You tell us.

It's not a question of what the codex says, we've seen pictures of the datasheet. It's a question of whether you think the restriction is a typo that will soon be fixed to a no duplicates rule or a deliberate but nonsensical rule that won't change.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Have to say I really a enjoying putting together the Cadia Stands set. Just not sure that those going infantry heavy will enjoy putting together 80 to 100 of the Cadians. Did we ever reach agreement on if Cadian squads can have the same 2 special weapons in them?

The jacks on the siege cannons are kind of a pain, but so far I'm enjoying building the kits as well.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Have to say I really a enjoying putting together the Cadia Stands set. Just not sure that those going infantry heavy will enjoy putting together 80 to 100 of the Cadians. Did we ever reach agreement on if Cadian squads can have the same 2 special weapons in them?

The jacks on the siege cannons are kind of a pain, but so far I'm enjoying building the kits as well.

Would 2nd Ed metal Heavy Bolter or Autocannon gunners work in the seats for the new heavy weapons?

I'm not back in the UK until next May so am far removed from my delivery to work it out for myself.

For anyone curious, the Field Ordinance platforms can be built with no gunner sitting on them. There's empty 'wheels' with no hands attached for controlling the weapon itself and whatnot.

So if anyone happens to have, say, old metal gunners with the 'remotes' in hand? You're going to be able to really have some fun with them.

 Kanluwen wrote:
For anyone curious, the Field Ordinance platforms can be built with no gunner sitting on them. There's empty 'wheels' with no hands attached for controlling the weapon itself and whatnot.

So if anyone happens to have, say, old metal gunners with the 'remotes' in hand? You're going to be able to really have some fun with them.

I have a fair few spare Praetorian lascannon and mortar crew. I am now smiling and looking forward to May when I can get my hands on them.

Thank you.

In fact, I may be off to Zinge Industries for some more of the Curious Constructs heavy weapons crew.

https://www.zinge.co.uk/collections/infantry/products/colonial-empire-artillery-crew-6-man

Gue'vesa Emissary wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Have to say I really a enjoying putting together the Cadia Stands set. Just not sure that those going infantry heavy will enjoy putting together 80 to 100 of the Cadians. Did we ever reach agreement on if Cadian squads can have the same 2 special weapons in them?

You must have the Codex. You tell us.

It's not a question of what the codex says, we've seen pictures of the datasheet. It's a question of whether you think the restriction is a typo that will soon be fixed to a no duplicates rule or a deliberate but nonsensical rule that won't change.

How many of each Special Weapon does the kit instructions allow you to build? This is the best indicator of their intentions next to the written text.

 alphaecho wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
For anyone curious, the Field Ordinance platforms can be built with no gunner sitting on them. There's empty 'wheels' with no hands attached for controlling the weapon itself and whatnot.

So if anyone happens to have, say, old metal gunners with the 'remotes' in hand? You're going to be able to really have some fun with them.

I have a fair few spare Praetorian lascannon and mortar crew. I am now smiling and looking forward to May when I can get my hands on them.

Thank you.

In fact, I may be off to Zinge Industries for some more of the Curious Constructs heavy weapons crew.

https://www.zinge.co.uk/collections/infantry/products/colonial-empire-artillery-crew-6-man

Dam, those are some massive hands! Bet the women love these guys.