Aldramelech wrote:I couldn't be less interested in this..........

They might have produced a decent set of historical rules, even a broken clock is right twice a day, but I doubt it.

As for the price? Taking the piss.

Comintern wrote:


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NOT to mention, it appears that it only services 20mm format.

Big P wrote:

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NOT to mention, it appears that it only services 20mm format.

Probably still the most widely used size for WW2.

My copy arrived today, I dint think it was out yet!

Very high quality book every page is gloss thick paper full of colour, lots of ww2 photos plus a handy colour reference photo of people dressed up in combat kit (useful if you are new to WW2). There are a few photos of miniatures throughout (look like AB, Britannia, Raventhorp etc) plus models.

Overall, its a great feeling book. Not had chance to read it yet though

Basically they are a platoon level set, though they should handle companies fine and battalion games should take no more than a day. They are 1:1 scale and the 4-5 man fireteam is the basic element, with vehicles and support weapons also forming separate elements.

Turn structure is a basic IGOUGO. You roll a dice to see how many units you can activate, with command elements adding a bonus to your roll. How many dice you roll depends on the scale of the game (platoon/company/battalion). Each activated element gets two actions.

There were two innovative things that I particularly liked about the rules. First was the prominent role of suppression fire, which I think is underused in most other sets. Basically, fire breaks down into two kinds: suppressive and aimed fire.

The first targets a general area or direction, does not have a high chance of actually killing anything, but will have a high chance of pinning a unit. Aimed fire requires a spotting check to actually acquire a target, it is harder to hit something, but of course will have a higher chance of killing. I think this will result in a more frequent and realistic use of suppressive fire. I like the centrality of it, which contrasts positively with for instance Force on Force or NUTS/******* New Guy, where it is merely an option of regular fire that often gets forgotten.

The other thing was the introduction of morale points. Basically, every time something goes wrong for you, you must take a morale point. This varies from coming under sustained artillery fire, being pinned down or seeing that the enemy has taken an objective. Reach a certain number of morale points (say 20-30), you lose the game.

Because your morale limit is dependent on the kind of troops you put into your army, you are encouraged to take a balanced army. Only King Tigers will result in a very strong force, but with very low morale limit. Large armies of PBI will have higher limits, but have a harder time reducing the enemies morale.

Basically, it turns morale penalties into victory points, so you will be focused on destroying the enemy's morale, rather than physically destroying as much of his army as possible.

George Spiggott wrote:That actually sounds quite interesting, not £50 interesting obviously, but still interesting.

Big P wrote:'tis an insane price...

...But I have commercial reasons for getting it. I want to see what the opposition have released...

The other thing was the introduction of morale points. Basically, every time something goes wrong for you, you must take a morale point. This varies from coming under sustained artillery fire, being pinned down or seeing that the enemy has taken an objective. Reach a certain number of morale points (say 20-30), you lose the game.

Because your morale limit is dependent on the kind of troops you put into your army, you are encouraged to take a balanced army. Only King Tigers will result in a very strong force, but with very low morale limit. Large armies of PBI will have higher limits, but have a harder time reducing the enemies morale.

Basically, it turns morale penalties into victory points, so you will be focused on destroying the enemy's morale, rather than physically destroying as much of his army as possible.